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Baccarat The Final Solution

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Sputnik, Jul 29, 2020.

  1. bacproof

    bacproof New Member

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    An EVENT is a 1, a 2 or a 3.
    A BLOCK or SET is a group made of 3 EVENTS.
     
  2. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, bacproof Could u kindly play thru Jim's shoe with WL registry & MM, where u win 12 units, it will confirm the way MARCH is being played ( it has been confusing, with different interpretations), thanks bro
     
  3. bacproof

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    it wasn’t my msg.
     
  4. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, Could u play Jim's shoe with ur bet selection & MM, this will help us in understanding the MARCH,( it is Confusing with different interpretations),thanks
     
  5. stephen

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    In post 223, Sputnik the author shows how he makes bets. Flat betting he makes 8 units. This is a good illustration how he bets.
     
  6. Joey Torres

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    Hi Panatha,

    Any update on your MM strategy.

    Thanks
     
  7. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 New Member

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    Sorry to bother you, but I'm trying to understand the method.
    I made this shoe and simulated the L and W. If anyone can say if it's right.
    And I would also like to know how to bet to be profitable on this shoe. I tried to do it myself but couldn't make a profit.

    Here's the shoe:

    1 . B
    2 . P
    3 . P
    4 . P
    5 . P
    6 . P
    7 . P
    8 . P
    9 . B
    10 . P.L
    11 . B
    12 . P
    13 . B
    14 . B
    15 . P
    16 . B.L
    17 . B
    18 . P
    19 . B
    20 . B
    21 . B
    22 . P
    23 . P.W
    24 . P
    25 . B
    26 . B
    27 . B
    28 . P
    29 . B.L
    30 . B
    31 . B
    32 . P
    33 . B
    34 . P
    35 . P
    36 . P
    37 . P
    38 . P
    39 . P
    40 . P
    41 . P
    42 . P
    43 . P
    44 . P
    45 . B
    46 . B.W
    47 . B
    48 . B
    49 . P
    50 . P
    51 . P
    52 . P
    53 . B
    54 . P.L
    55 . P
    56 . B
    57 . P
    58 . B
    59 . P
    60 . B
    61 . P
    62 . P
    63 . P
    64 . B
    65 . B.W
    66 . P
    67 . B
    68 . B
    69 . P
    70 . B.L
    71 . P
    72 . P
    73 . B
    74 . B.W
    75 . P
    76 . B
    77 . P
    78 . B
    79 . B
    80 . B
    81 . P
    82 . B.L
    83 . B
    84 . B
    85 . P
    86 . P
    87 . B
    88 . P.L
    89 . P
    90 . P
    91 . P
    92 . P
    93 . B
    94 . P
    95 . P
    96 . P
    97 . B
    98 . P.L
    99 . P
    100 . P
    101 . P
    102 . B
    103 . P
    104 . B
    105 . B
    106 . B
    107 . B
    108 . B
    109 . B
    110 . P
    111 . P.W
    112 . P
    113 . B
    114 . B
    115 . P
    116 . P.W
    117 . B
    118 . P
    119 . B
    120 . P
    121 . P
    122 . P
    123 . B
    124 . P.L
    125 . B
    126 . P
    127 . P
    128 . P
    129 . P
    130 . P
    131 . B
    132 . B.W
    133 . P
    134 . P
    135 . B
    136 . P.L
    137 . B
    138 . P
    139 . B
    140 . B
    141 . B
    142 . P
    143 . P.W
    144 . P
    145 . P
    146 . B
    147 . P
    148 . P
    149 . P
    150 . B
    151 . B.W
    152 . B
    153 . B
    154 . P
    155 . P
    156 . P
    157 . P
    158 . P
    159 . B
    160 . B.W
    161 . P
    162 . B
    163 . B
    164 . B
    165 . P
    166 . B.L
    167 . P
    168 . B
    169 . P
    170 . P
    171 . P
    172 . P
    173 . B
    174 . P.L
    175 . P
    176 . B
    177 . B
    178 . B
    179 . B
    180 . P
    181 . P.W
    182 . B
    183 . P
    184 . P
    185 . B
    186 . P.L
    187 . B
    188 . P
    189 . B
    190 . P
    191 . P
    192 . P
    193 . B
    194 . P.L
    195 . B
    196 . P
    197 . P
    198 . P
    199 . B
    200 . P.L
    201 . B
    202 . B
    203 . P
    204 . B.L
    205 . B
    206 . P
    207 . B
    208 . P
    209 . P
    210 . P
    211 . P
    212 . B
    213 . P.L
    214 . B
    215 . P
    216 . B
    217 . P
    218 . P
    219 . B
    220 . P.L
    221 . B
    222 . B
    223 . B
    224 . P
    225 . B.L
    226 . P
    227 . P
    228 . B
    229 . B.W
    230 . P
    231 . P
    232 . P
    233 . P
    234 . B
    235 . P.L
    236 . P
    237 . B
    238 . B
    239 . P
    240 . P.W
    241 . P
    242 . B
    243 . P
    244 . P
    245 . P
    246 . B
    247 . B.W
    248 . P
    249 . B
    250 . P
    251 . B
    252 . B
    253 . P
    254 . B.L
    255 . P
    256 . P
    257 . P
    258 . P
    259 . P
    260 . P
    261 . B
    262 . B.W
    263 . B
    264 . B
    265 . B
    266 . B
    267 . P
    268 . B
    269 . B
    270 . B
    271 . P
    272 . P.W
    273 . P
    274 . B
    275 . P
    276 . P
     

  8. Rond1nell1

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    The Post above left a little disfigured, then I'm posting the file in txt too.
     

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  9. BIG EZ

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    hope this helps....
    this is played as Sputnik describes in blocks (group of 3 events) and does not include following the bias. I have spaced the blocks out so its easier for you to understand:

    1 . B
    2 . P
    3 . P
    4 . P
    5 . P
    6 . P
    7 . P
    8 . P
    9 . B
    10 . P 3-1-1

    11 . B w
    12 . P
    13 . B
    14 . B
    15 . P
    16 . B
    17 . B x 2-1-2

    18 . P w
    19 . B
    20 . B
    21 . B
    22 . P
    23 . P
    24 . P w
    25 . B
    26 . B
    27 . B 3-3-3

    28 . P
    29 . B
    30 . B
    31 . B
    32 . P
    33 . B 3-1-1

    34 . P w
    35 . P
    36 . P
    37 . P
    38 . P
    39 . P
    40 . P
    41 . P
    42 . P
    43 . P
    44 . P
    45 . B
    46 . B
    47 . B w
    48 . B
    49 . P
    50 . P
    51 . P
    52 . P 3-3-3

    53 . B
    54 . P
    55 . P
    56 . B
    57 . P 2-1-1

    58 . B w
    59 . P
    60 . B
    61 . P
    62 . P
    63 . P
    64 . B
    65 . B
    66 . P x 3-2-1

    67 . B x
    68 . B
    69 . P
    70 . B 2-1-1

    71 . P w
    72 . P
    73 . B
    74 . B
    75 . P w 2-2-1

    76 . B
    77 . P
    78 . B
    79 . B
    80 . B
    81 . P
    82 . B
    83 . B x
    84 . B w 3-1-3

    85 . P
    86 . P
    87 . B
    88 . P
    89 . P x
    90 . P x
    91 . P
    92 . P 2-1-3

    93 . B
    94 . P
    95 . P
    96 . P
    97 . B
    98 . P
    99 . P x
    100 . P w
    101 . P 3-1-3

    102 . B
    103 . P
    104 . B
    105 . B
    106 . B
    107 . B
    108 . B
    109 . B
    110 . P
    111 . P
    112 . P w
    113 . B
    114 . B 3-3-2

    115 . P
    116 . P
    117 . B
    118 . P 2-1-1

    119 . B w
    120 . P
    121 . P
    122 . P
    123 . B
    124 . P 3-1-1

    125 . B w
    126 . P
    127 . P
    128 . P
    129 . P
    130 . P
    131 . B
    132 . B
    133 . P x
    134 . P w 3-2-2

    135 . B
    136 . P
    137 . B
    138 . P
    139 . B
    140 . B
    141 . B
    142 . P
    143 . P
    144 . P w
    145 . P
    146 . B 3-3-1

    147 . P
    148 . P
    149 . P
    150 . B
    151 . B
    152 . B w
    153 . B
    154 . P
    155 . P
    156 . P
    157 . P
    158 . P 3-3-3

    159 . B
    160 . B
    161 . P
    162 . B
    163 . B x
    164 . B x 2-1-3

    165 . P
    166 . B
    167 . P
    168 . B
    169 . P
    170 . P
    171 . P
    172 . P
    173 . B
    174 . P
    175 . P x 3-1-2

    176 . B x
    177 . B
    178 . B
    179 . B
    180 . P
    181 . P
    182 . B x 3-2-1

    183 . P x
    184 . P
    185 . B
    186 . P 2-1-1

    187 . B w
    188 . P
    189 . B
    190 . P
    191 . P
    192 . P
    193 . B
    194 . P 3-1-1

    195 . B w
    196 . P
    197 . P
    198 . P
    199 . B
    200 . P 3-1-1

    201 . B w
    202 . B
    203 . P
    204 . B
    205 . B x 2-1-2

    206 . P w
    207 . B
    208 . P
    209 . P
    210 . P
    211 . P
    212 . B
    213 . P 3-1-1

    214 . B w
    215 . P
    216 . B
    217 . P
    218 . P
    219 . B
    220 . P 2-1-1

    221 . B w
    222 . B
    223 . B
    224 . P
    225 . B 3-1-1

    226 . P w
    227 . P
    228 . B
    229 . B
    230 . P w
    231 . P
    232 . P
    233 . P 2-2-3

    234 . B
    235 . P
    236 . P
    237 . B
    238 . B
    239 . P w
    240 . P
    241 . P 2-2-3

    242 . B
    243 . P
    244 . P
    245 . P
    246 . B
    247 . B
    248 . P x 3-2-1

    249 . B x
    250 . P
    251 . B
    252 . B
    253 . P
    254 . B 2-1-1

    255 . P w
    256 . P
    257 . P
    258 . P
    259 . P
    260 . P
    261 . B
    262 . B
    263 . B w
    264 . B
    265 . B
    266 . B
    267 . P 3-3-1

    268 . B
    269 . B
    270 . B
    271 . P
    272 . P
    273 . P w
    274 . B 3-3-1

    275 . P
    276 . P
     
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  10. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 New Member

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    BIG EZ,

    Thanks! I understood separation of groups. I want to understand now where I would bet.
    You could put values in front. Let's use the $10.00 bet's starting unit.
    I wanted to know when I would win or lose on that shoe.

    I appreciate your time to help!
     
  11. BIG EZ

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    w = win
    x = loss

    28 wins
    17 loss
     
  12. Rond1nell1

    Rond1nell1 New Member

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    Would you play the same amount on all bets?
    Or would you use some progression?
    If so, what would the balance look like? Because I saw that from 163 to 183 there were 6 errors (x) in a row. How would you be in this situation?
    Fibonacci 1 1 1 2 3 4 5?

    Grateful for the attention!
     
  13. Xytras

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    I played it the exact same way as BIG EZ did and got the exact same result: 28W and 17L for +11 units profit flat betting. Played only blocks of 3 events starting with a double or triple and skipped all the chops that were not a part of blocks of 3 events.

    I don't like using negative progression especially steep ones, but a modest 1-2 progression would do well too for +13. Playing this way allows you to bet bigger units for a fewer units of profit (3-5 is a good place to start) because sooner or later you're gonna run into a streak of losses (like 6 losses in a row in your shoe) and a steep progression will wipe out most of your wins you already accumulated.
     
  14. Rond1nell1

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    Thanks! I will study here.
    I appreciate the help!
     

  15. Sputnik

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    Catch all possibilities for a bias on a rolling basis.
    Here is another variant - try to make it easy to understand -

    First, you wait for a series to show then bet once that series will chop.
    If you get a single you bet that singles will chop.
    Bet this way on a rolling basis covering both series and singles.

    Now the losing sequence becomes a triplet like 312 or 213
    So when you get 31 or 21 you bet for 313 or 212 as you can see the bias with one repeat.

    When you get a triplet you can decide to hold your bet until a fictive win or continue betting on a rolling basis.



    Cheers Patrik
     
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  16. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    "Chop" generally means a change in direction. Actually you are waiting for a series to show and are betting for a "repeat" or a "repeat continue" not a chop. So the video shows XX O now bet O for a XXOO; if XXXO now bet O for XXXOO. If win stop and wait for next series rolling.
    Right. If lose XXOX then bet for O and continue betting for the chop (alternate, opposite) until lose.
     
  17. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Tks. I get stuck on the terms.
     
  18. panatha

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    HI GUYS
    TO SPUTNIK, GIGI , JIMSKE , WITH FULL MY RESPECT AND LOVE
    THE following MM NOT COMPLEX
    Just need focus and concetration
    it includes 5 basic rules two of them really unique
    of course not HG AT ALL
    ITS A VERY HARD TRIAL NOT TO WIN BAD RUNS BUT...SKIP BAD RUNS AND COME BACK TO THE WINS
    SOONER...OR LATER
    SO LETS GO FOR 5 BASIC RULES AND THEN MANY EXAMPLES UNTIL FULLY UDERSTAND
    RULES
    1 Absolutely forget a loss which has 5 or more losses than wins where you dont stand to gain any profit in a stretch
    ABSOLUTELY LOSS means we do not push our bet to get that extraordinary loss back that can be won althought gradually with base bet
    raise and increments raise GOT IT?
    2 WE increase bet only once in a cycle in our second bet and if we dont win we repeat THE SECOND BET AGAIN ONCE
    GOT IT?
    3 A CYCLE means getting a win W Whether its a net win or not
    for example
    1L
    2L
    3W FIRST FULL COMPLETE CYCLE
    1L
    2L
    3L
    4L
    5L
    6L
    7W SECOND FULL COMPLETE CYCLE WHY? BECAUSE ENDS WITH WIN BUT... NOT NET PROFIT WIN
    1W THIRD FULL COMPLETE CYCLE WITH ONE WIN AND NET PROFIT WIN
    1W FOURTH AGAIN FULL COMPLETE CYCLE WITH NET PROFIT WIN
    1L
    2W FIVE FULL COMPLETE CYCLE WITH NET PROFIT WIN
    1L
    2L
    3W SIXTH FULL COMPLETE CYCLE WITH WIN BUT... NOT NET PROFIT WIN
    1L
    2L
    3W SEVENTH FULL COMPLETE CYCLE ENDS WITH WIN...BUT NOT NET PROFIT WIN
    GOT IT? 7 FULL COMPLETE CYCLES AT MY ABOVE EXAMPLE
    4 We push our bet only till the third bet of a cycle
    if we dont win in that, we always come back to bet 1 unit further,
    irrespective of our base bet level then
    ALTERNATIVELY, We can use pause after the third bet of the cycle, if doable
    for example
    L1
    L2
    L2
    L1
    L1
    L1
    L1.....
    Second example
    L1
    W2
    W1
    W1
    W1.........
    THIRD EXAMPLE
    L1
    L2
    W2
    W1
    W1
    W1......
    GOT IT?
    PAUSING or not is your choice and convenience
    If you pause afterfirst three losses of a cycle and resume only after 4 CONSECUTIVE GOOD WINS, ALL THE HORROR SESSIONS
    POSSIBLE WILL BECOME VIRTUAL I WILL GIVE FULL EXAMPLE LATER
    5 A Good win is only either win in the first bet or second bet
    REST ARE LOSING CYCLES
    We increase the base bet and also increments
    Firstly we increase starting bet from 1 to 2 and increments of 2 so bet like 24-4
    secondly we only increase base bet like 3-5-5
    Thirdly we increase only increments like 3-6-6
    foouthly we increase base bet like 4-7-7
    now we increase our increments 4-8-8 and so on..........................
    AT THIS POST I WILL GIVE
    A FULL SEQUENCE OF HELL IN ORDER TO UNDERSTAND FULL THAT KIND OF MM
    THEN I WILL POST AGAIN AND I WILL GIVE YOU A SECOND OPTION ESPECIALLY FOR SPUTNIK METHOD
    I COULD BE VERY THANKFULL TO YOU IF SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME JIMSKE METHOD
    ITS VERY DIFFICULT TO SEND PM TO JIMSKE OR SOMEONE ELSE
    SO LETS GO FOR FULL EXAMPLE

    L1
    L2
    L2 paused betting here due to three successive losses
    L now waiting for 4 consecutive good wins to resume
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W first net win or good win why good win? because not only w but...net win
    L
    L
    L
    L
    W
    W second net win
    L
    L
    W
    W third net win
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W fourth net win NOW WE HAVE 4 NET WINS TIME TO RESUME BETTINGS
    L1
    W2
    L1
    L2
    L2 paused again waiting for 4 consecutive good wins to resume
    L
    L
    L
    W
    L
    W FIRST NET WIN
    L
    L
    W
    W SECOND NET WIN
    L
    W THIRD NET WIN
    W FOURTH NET WIN Resume again Absolutely loss point as in 7 placed bets we got 6 losses and 1 win
    L1
    W2 FIRST GOOD BET
    L1
    L2
    W2
    W1 SECOND GOOD BET
    W1 THIRD GOOD BET
    L1
    W2 FOURTH GOOD BET NOW 4 GOOD WINS AFTER ABSOLUTE LOST MUST INCEASE OUR BASE BET AND INCREMENTS SO
    L2
    W4
    W2
    L2
    L4
    W4
    W2
    W2
    W2
    L2
    W4
    L2
    W4
    W2
    W2
    W2
    L2
    W4
    W2
    W2
    L2
    L4
    W4
    W2
    W2
    W2
    L2
    W4
    W2
    W2 AND SO ON......
    SECOND POST VERY SOON.....
    I HOPE THAT HELPS
     
  19. Jimske

    Jimske Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    What about following a "block bias?" Yoi get a 213, 222, 313. Is this a bias whereby you switch to a "variant" to bet the next block will go XX O X. ?? because majority is chop after series start?

    Or vice versa. Suppose XXXOOX, XXOO Bet next series to repeat ?

    Is that a trend bias?
     
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  20. Sputnik

    Sputnik Active Member Founding Member

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    Jimske one variant is betting series - also in blocks or sets - as you mention above
    Then you get 16 versus 2
    And the option of betting on a rolling basis.

    Thanks for correcting my spell error on chops - should have been struck.

    Here is one illustration betting series as a dominant event

    333 - 3 Win
    332 - 3 Win
    331 - 3 Win

    322 - 2 Win
    323 - 2 Win
    321 - 2 Win

    311 - 311 Loss Win
    312 - 312 Loss Loss Loss
    313 - 313 Loss Win

    - - -

    222
    223
    221

    233
    232
    231

    211
    213
    212

    Now an about the simple march above - flat betting.
    Where you narrow down the triplet.

    I will collect losing runs to see what happens after one triplet hit.
    How rare is one triplet repeat and how works holding bet for a fictive win?

    Cheers
     
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