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Roulette The "Sleepers fallacy"

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by jekhb1976, Mar 10, 2019.

  1. jekhb1976

    jekhb1976 Active Member

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    I wanted to make a thread about this subject for a long time now.
    The reason for this is, that i read everywhere on every forum that playing sleepers isn't the way to win at this game.
    But instead there is, that is if you play it the right way ofcourse ;)
    Before everyone jumping in again and start complaining, this isn't a HG. It is just something that can make you win more then that you lose at this game.
    For me personaly, i like to play sleepers, because i know how the future will turn out. No i don't have a time machine, because i don't need one.

    Later today when i have more time, i will explain it further.
    This thread isn't for the clown company, but i have that strange feeling, that they will jump in either way :)
    This thread is ment for those, that are willing to learn something and are willing to look beyond something they are doin' already. Something new.

    Cheers,
    Eddy
     
  2. stringbeanpc

    stringbeanpc New Member

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    Looking forward to your explanation. Best Regards
     
  3. johndexter

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    Sounds Interesting ! something new and refreshing :D
     
  4. Frodo

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    Hi Eddy,

    Sounds great!
    • Playing sleepers or playing repeaters are the 2 sides of the same coin.
    • From my tests so far, it looks that the losing bet in the game is to play the average shown numbers. (numbers at EV)
    • SOMEWHERE between sleepers that awake and hot numbers has to be the key.
    • We limit the infinite permutations by giving only playing a FIX number of spins. (cycles)
    • Individual numbers have the same odd of showing. Group of numbers do not. They have to obey probability theories.
    The numbers have to be selected using precise qualities (for repeaters, numbers that show above EV, for sleepers, numbers that just awoke etc)
    The bet selection has to be based on something that happens with 100% certainty, or to bet against something that cannot happen.

    Facts
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    1 million cycles of 37 spins
    2 hit 100%
    3 hit 98.405% times
    4 hit 50.990% times
    5 hit 10.939% times
    6 hit 1.599% times
    7 hit 0.192% times

    -------------------------------
    1 million cycles of 74 spins
    3 hit 100%
    4 hit 99.982% times
    5 hit 90.1054% times
    6 hit 45.47% times
    7 hit 13.78% times
    8 hit 3.22% times
    9 hit 0.637% times

    --------------------------------
    1 million cycles of 111 spins
    4 hit 100%
    5 hit 99.9998% times
    6 hit 98.277% times
    7 hit 73.8% times
    8 hit 34.35% times
    9 hit 11.587% times
    10 hit 3.301% times
    11 hit 0.812% times

    ---------------------------------
    1 million cycles of 148 spins
    5 hit 100%
    6 hit 100%
    7 hit 99.693% times
    8 hit 88.718% times
    9 hit 55.022% times
    10 hit 24.392% times
    11 hit 8.699% times
    12 hit 2.753% times
    13 hit 0.7899% times

    ----------------------------------
    1 million cycles of 185 spins

    7 hit 100%
    8 hit 99.938% times
    9 hit 95.324% times
    10 hit 71.416% times
    11 hit 38.747% times
    12 hit 16.700% times
    13 hit 6.194% times
    14 hit 2.090% times
    15 hit 0.637% times
     
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  5. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Knowing what is incredibly likely to happen and what is incredibly unlikely to happen
    is all the player needs to win... It's no more difficult than that.
    As I always said - make a list of what's likely, what's not likely and begin there..
    even if it's simple things like "38 different numbers appearing in 38 spins" as "unlikely"...
    Make a list - focus on the side where you "know" the event(s) are coming and formulate
    play based on that. The more likely it is to occur - the better. Again, not complicated.

    For example, from your data -
    If someone said "My method of play is based on getting a win on the 13th appearance
    of a number in 148 spins" !! They are clearly wasting their time. It will happen......
    it won't happen enough to be relevant.
     
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  6. mr j

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    and I agree.
     
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  7. jekhb1976

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    If most of the forum members would only start to read and start to test instead of posting nonsense all the time, this forum would be a much more friendly place.
     

  8. jekhb1976

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    A wise man said;
    the simplest way for a player to win is based on the predictability of random,
    the limits of random.

    But hey this is all nonsense that no one wants to hear o_O and i'm on tulips. :D
     
  9. Sharptracker

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    Yea bro you smoke too much tulips... That's not good for you!

    Understand that if you could do so , then you could beat the roulette because an EC will come back to average also, you could beat the roulette because it is more like hit a repeat at spin 6/7/8 etc etc... But you can't, so you use a progression or run in every direction to not claim "Yes, finally that's crap!"
     
  10. jekhb1976

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    Sleepers is a no go! you can't win playing sleepers. this is something i hear all the time.
    And you know what, they are right. It's one of the worst things you can do, betting on sleepers.
    But what most of you don't realize is that sleepers also point you in the direction where random has limits, and to the point where you can win.
     
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  11. jekhb1976

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    if you would study roulette instead of driving your sheep through town :D you would come to a point and realize that i'm right, but i guess that ain't gonna happen.
     
  12. Sharptracker

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    It hasn't limits...there's no moment where the ball will suddenly has a memory, truth is that you can keep winning for a while before the swings coming and at that time you realize that you spent all that time for 50€ if you stoped to save your bankroll.

    By the way in that gif i was the sheep!
     
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  13. johndexter

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    jekhb1976........what we testing ?
     
  14. jekhb1976

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    That random has limits and that focusing (not playing) on sleepers, will show you how to win.
     
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  15. Frodo

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    Correct, Eddy!

    Though we have to remember this is an OPEN forum full of AP players that share nothing except gifs and off topic crap, while they let others do the hard work for them. Let that not fool you!
    The same AP players do exactly the opposite of what they say. Hear this out, they are secretly system players themselves. There is nothing more solid than math. The odds are the same, but the probabilities are not.
    They should have this tattooed on their foreheads.
    I wonder if thet do play a secret squirrel game or not. Maybe the simplicity of the observation got in the way.
    Because it really is simple however you look at it. It's stupid simple. A three year old can see it.
    And all, i mean all starts with being aware.
    Look how the numbers fall!
    I have no intention to feed the trolls at this moment. So Nathan Detroit, Dr.Sir,Bago,Sharptracker,jbs, Eugene and all other AP players why don't you all take hands and go in the casino's and win your millions. Do not flood tgis forum with your recycled thoughts, because we've heard them all.

    Eddy , Mako, Wally, Turbo and all let's not feed the trolls annymore.
     
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  16. Sharptracker

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    I think that you tasted Jekhb 's tulips, strong huh?!?
     
  17. Frodo

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    Remember, Eddy
    • Do not respond to provocations from the clown company
    • They only try to stir you up so you give them what they can't think of, a HG on a silver plate
    • Let them be in their ignorance
    • Just smile and wave :)
    Do not share anything anymore, everything is already there.
    Do not feed the trolls. I'm sure they are millionaires already. They can afford a bread and a glass of water by now.

    Cheers
     
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  18. delectus

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    jekhb 1976, over the years I have looked at every possible angle on sleepers
    and I will be interested if you produce something that I have missed.
     
  19. jekhb1976

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    Come to think of it, why did i create a new topic anyway? it's has no use. I think it better to leave it. frodo, wally, mako, if you want to share ideas and test things together, you know where to find me. I'm done here, well for now anyway.
    It doesn't matter if someone is trying to create a topic to teach something, The clown company are always messing things up. :mad: i'm done with it.
     
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  20. Sharptracker

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    Take it easy! Ok, you should try a slow positive progression instead an agressive (depend on how many numbers yo playing). And maybe create 5 differents variable when you're playing as if you represent 5 players...

    But i don't see any difference if you're playing the last 3 repeats 5-7 times once they appeared. (this is from another holygrailer known here)
     

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