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Roulette The Turbo Thread

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by trellw24, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. Mako

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    This is a good post. It focuses on the data instead of the person posting, it details the "why" in terms of critical analysis and it provides references as to how the data was accumulated.

    And now that you've made it, I can assume you're done posting anything that has to do with this information again.

    This is how it should work.

    TG made his point, you made a critical analysis of that point, TG has responded to this analysis previously, and that's the end. You, nor anyone else, needs to repost or discuss the information you presented here again, because you made your post, we saw it, and that's that.
     
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  2. Sharptracker

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    Well Mako, the repetition is good when someone saw and do not understand to make it enter in his brain... And once it might help, before a gambler loses all even is pant... He could remember and think about it twice before losing his pant.
     
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  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    Jacob,

    The rules are purposefully muddled so that when one version fails, he can say that he's holding back secrets to make it work.
     
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  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    In short, some people are SLOW learners and are in desperate financial situations.
     
  5. Mako

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    That's fine, but do it in your own thread. What you and bago and Caleb are doing is akin to old Chuck and Nancy doing full rebuttals to anything...said...ever...by...anyone...every...minute.

    Their message would lose power, no one would listen, they'd get tuned out.

    Do it once, then leave and let the words you've already typed do the talking, that's where the power is. If you still feel compelled to post, do it in another thread. That's what I would try to do, and I may not always live up to it, but I'd try haha.

    You don't want to be Chuck and Nancy. Slow people can simply reread what you've already posted.
     
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  6. Mako

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    You don't want to be Chuck and Nancy. Slow people can simply reread what you've already posted. And we both know that you and bago have no motivations to "save" people from anything. Otherwise you would have the same vitriol and endless gifs for every single Ignatus thread ever started. So save that nonsense.

    You do it because "Turbo is full of shit!" and that's fine, that's your prerogative. But if you really want to prove it, say what you want to say once, then drop the mic and leave. Otherwise we're all just tuning it out due to too much repetition.
     
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    No, we felt that in order to provide the optimum level of critical analysis, it required us to point out that he was indeed full of shit!
     
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  8. Sharptracker

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    Mako, as i said, it is easier in Turbo's side because he answers to what those people need while they don't need what we say, we don't talk about easy money durably! They need money, that's why most of them came to roulette. But Turbo is wrong... Those people need to see it and see it again to remember and think twice once they'll be in front the table. Trust me, once it will be very usefull !

    ABSOLUTELY! this is actually how i started at Roulette: Google: How to win money easily! Lol
     
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  9. Mako

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    Bullshit. Know how I know it's bullshit? And that it's all about Turbo, and a few people's fixation on him?

    Because this crew is nowhere to be seen in any other fallacy thread. Ever. Ignatus has at least a thousand fallacy threads/systems, yet the core group polluting every single TG thread is never in them, at all.

    Not you. Not Caleb. Not Nathan. And certainly not bago.

    I've never seen any of those 4 in an Ignatus thread.

    So I think we can stop the holier-than-thou "oh I'm doing this for the kids Mako..the kids! Let me wipe this tear from my eye...the kids!!!" :D

    You do it because "Turbo is full of shit!", and as I've said, that's fine. People have internet beefs, which is insane to me, but hey, ok. I think Caleb is sharp, would happily share a beer with him, would probably learn from it as well. Jerome obviously knows what he's talking about, as do you Sharptracker.

    But I'm telling you that endless repeating, and I do mean endless, does not sway me. Not in the least. Nor does it sway anyone else.

    The data-driven posts, as a few of Caleb's have been and nearly all of Jeromes's are...definitely do persuade. If they're posted once. After the second, third, fourth, endless time, I tune it out. There's nothing new, I've already read it. Over and over.

    "Don't be Chuck and Nancy" = My new motto. You, Caleb, bago, are just Chuck and Nancy right now, and it's tiresome.

    PS - Chuck and Nancy both say they're doing it for the kids too...;)
     
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    The difference is that Ignatus posts his systems and says "I've had good results with this, give it a try", whereas Turbo is just soooooo over the top with his rhetoric, which is very misleading for newbies. Reading Turbo's posts for the first time must lead many to believe that their financial problems are over, especially those who may be desperate. I think that's what bugs people (some more than others).
     
  11. Mako

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    Yes, but if someone's rhetoric is triggering the reader, they need to step back a bit. Bago definitely needs to do it...:D

    TG hasn't provided the bet selection he's using, so how exactly are newbies going out and destroying their bankrolls?

    That's why the whole "we're doing it for the kids" stuff, it doesn't play. You give TG attention because you're triggered by his televangelist approach. As a statistician, you don't like the 'used-car salesman-without (in your opinion)-mathmatical-substance' making mathmatical claims.

    That's all it is.

    He says "See? I can't lose" after posting an 80-spin single session and your heads explode.

    But...he never says, ever, "YOU can't lose".

    And that's why your argument about saving-the-kids doesn't fly. He never tells them to bet anything, ever, and he hasn't provided any bet selection that would enable them to do so.
     
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    Mako,

    Turbo doesn't just claim to have the HG once or twice, he does it repeatedly. He does it nonstop. It's very misleading. And when he gets the secret squirrel game going, a lot of gullible people get sucked in. I don't think Turbo is a scammer, I think it's just a game for him.

    I feel that Ignatus is different. Sometimes he gets carried away, but I like the way the guy posts. He reminds me of the old Frank Barstow book. He's entertaining with his various systems.
     
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    the problem they are having mako is that turbo don't give them a profitable system on a silver platter. step one, do this. step two, do that. they don't know what he is doin, at all. they claim they do know, but they just don't, and they hate it.
    and it's not about one method only. turbo is so much further that he can build his own system and still can't lose. if you know the basis, you can build a method upon that.
    but they hate they can't test it.
    don't know if turbo will ever post a method, not his own but one that will also profit everytime you play a session, that will show them that it can be done.
    unless he does that everyone in the naysayers camp will keep screeming that he is full of shit.
    graphs won't support it anymore, it will remain words for them. it's time to stop all that bashing and prove it with a system, they can test themselfs, and say, damn that finn turbo guys is right. all is done.
     
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    Honestly, i'm only on this forum. If that guy would post garbage here and if i'm here to see it, i'd tell.
     
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    Turbo is persuasive too. Even though he often repeats himself his posts have a kind of compelling quality and he often uses nice analogies, but as I said in a previous post, there's bias at work here. It's fair to say that many (if not most) who come here aren't just looking to shoot the breeze, they want "easy money". They will tend to tune out of the critical posts after a while because it's not what they want to hear (they might even put the members who write them on ignore); they want more posts like Turbo's because it keeps the dream alive, so HIS posts will likely never become stale. ;)
     
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    Of course not Jekhb, i told you i wouldn't even try his system; honestly! To me it would be just a big waste of time.

    I have an idea about it... It is possible that Turbo has a very good place on the Gauss curve, better than another or he simply lies... here it is not the problem because whatever the option is, it doesn't mean he can beat the game. The math game is just unbeatable 1+1 will never make 3.

    If there is a solution(except bias&VB), it would be a quantum solution where we don't know everything about yet.
     
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    None of which should matter to the "I'm doing it for the kids" crowd, which both of you say you are, because again, he hasn't provided the bet selection.

    So no one, not "the kids", not myself, and not any of the sharp math people, can test or validate/invalidate anything he says.

    And honestly, there are three people on RF right now claiming they have a grail. Why are none of you in those threads (mainly Caleb here, because you don't post on RF Jerome).

    He's nowhere to be found. Because Turbo isn't in those threads.

    And that's where I have the problem, I look at everything as pragmatically as I can, and since Turbo hasn't ever provided a bet selection for any of his alleged HGs, there isn't ground for me to endlessly post negative, or positive for that matter, comments about it.

    Now you have a tremendous mathmatical background, so you ARE qualified to say "well, here's why no grail can exist in Roulette"...once...and it's totally justified.

    But to go on and on as Caleb/bago and a few others do, just because of the name of the person posting the claim, it's repetitive.

    I don't know, maybe I'm just tired today of reading the same posts over and over, the Groundhog Day struggle is real folks. :D

    I've said enough and don't want to repeat myself for fear of "Chuck and Nancy-ing" my own posts. Everyone can decide what they feel is best for themselves.

    But for the anti-TG crowd, try to remain data-driven, without personal critiques or armchair-psychology analysis. And do it only when you can add to the discussion, where the information you have can illustrate the pitfalls.

    Otherwise, let the televangelist preach. Without a bet selection, no one can call in and donate money to the church anyway, so no one is affected one way or the other anyway. :)
     
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    @Sharptracker
    the problem is that it isn't all black and white.
    if turbo is telling everyone that 2s needs to be a 1s first, everyone thinks that you need to bet all 1s, because some of them will become 2s, but you know that this won't work. but he is telling the truth. it is just how you look at things. some have a dificult time looking at the game from a different angle.
     
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    nice posts man, thumbs up.
     
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    There's some truth in this, but don't you think it's frustrating for the Turbo fan boys too? What's likely to happen (and probably actually HAS happened) is that those reading Turbo's posts for the first time become inspired and hopeful that they, too, can one day be like Turbo and never lose a session. After some time creating and testing systems which are designed using his "basis", they still can't do it, and may become slightly resentful. Further on down the road and many more failed systems later, they may come to hate Turbo because it seems he's been leading them down a highway to nowhere. They feel betrayed, and what really rubs salt into the wound is that he's STILL claiming that it's possible (and really not too hard to figure out).

    I'm not saying everyone will get to think this way, after all, you've still got the "faith" after all these years, even though it's obvious you still haven't found IT.
     
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