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Roulette The Ultimate Countdown

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by BlueAngel, Feb 18, 2017.

  1. BlueAngel

    BlueAngel Active Member

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    This method has been founded on the rock solid fact that within ANY set of 37 spins (European wheel) there will always be a minimum of 18 unique/different numbers.
    I believe nobody could argue with such FACT, so the real question is how could we get advantage of such information.
    This is where "The Ultimate Countdown" comes in order to make a consistent and steady profit out of every session.

    We cannot deny that there will be at least 18 unique/different numbers in any given 37 spins set, BUT do we know which numbers??
    The short answer is no, but we don't have to know which in order to win.

    I'm going to explain it in layman's terms, as simply as possible each and every step of the way.
    My example below is going to make you understand better how I calculate each and every next bet.

    Let's say I'm beginning my roulette session and the last two spun numbers are 35 and 36, my next step would be to bet all the rest numbers except those two (35 and 36).
    In my book I see that already 2 uniques have been spun out of the ultimate minimum of 18, thus 18-2=16
    16 is the number of wins I'm aiming to achieve, I don't know about you but I've witnessed two times 18 unique numbers in 18 spins and one time 22 uniques in 22 spins (without any repeat)!!
    In such rare case my profit from 16 wins would be: 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16= 136 units net from 16 wins back to back.
    This happens because I begin my betting with 35 numbers and after each and every hit/win I'm removing that number from the next spin, thus instead of winning only 1 unit per spin I gradually escalate my profits up to the point which the ultimate minimum limit has been reached (18 uniques/37 spins)

    Of course we cannot expect to have 16 wins in a row without any lost bet (although possible), the truth is that most of the repeats happen during the third part of the 37 spins cycle, in other words from 24th to 25th and later.
    Why this happens is not magic, by 24th to 25th spin there will be approximately equal amount of numbers which have been hit against numbers which have not that far.
    When the total of hit numbers reaches 19 the possibility for a repeat is greater than the possibility for a non hit number, so when there will be 19 unique/different numbers?
    This happens between 24th up to 27th spin approximately, of course we cannot be absolute with those numbers because there are always smaller or greater deviations from the average/mean expectation.
    Since we aim for 16 uniques, under not extreme circumstances, we will never bet beyond 21st spin, this means up to 5 repeats/lost bets (16 uniques +5 repeats =21 spins)

    Example} Result Balance Virtual Bank
    No bet 29 0 136
    No bet 30 0 136
    bet everything but 29,30 31 +1 135 1st win, 15 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31 19 +3 133 2nd win, 14 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19 28 +6 130 3rd win, 13 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28 2 +10 126 4th win, 12 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2 5 +15 121 5th win, 11 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5 24 +21 115 6th win, 10 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24 27 +28 108 7th win, 9 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27 21 +36 100 8th win, 8 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21 4 +45 91 9th win, 7 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4 30 +19 91 1st loss, 7 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4 23 +29 81 10th win, 6 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23 22 +40 70 11th win, 5 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22 34 +52 58 12th win, 4 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34 26 +65 45 13th win, 3 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26 4 +43 45 2nd loss, 4 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26 26 +21 45 3rd loss, 4 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26 2 -1 45 4th loss, 4 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26 16 +13 31 14th win, 2 wins remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26,16 14 +28 16 15th win, 1 win remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26,16,14 26 +8 16 5th loss, 1 win remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26,16,14 14 -12 16 6th loss, 1 win remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26,16,14 31 -32 (raise 16x3=) 48 7th loss, 1 win remaining
    bet everything but 29,30,31,19,28,2,5,24,27,21,4,23,22,34,26,16,14 1 +16 0 16th win, end of session

    The above example is the original version, however, there are 2 more variations, the conservative and the ultra conservative:

    Conservative variation doesn't bet every time for 16 wins, but bets up to 8th win, if succeed 8 wins in a row without losing then you would gain: 1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8= 36 units net, if you are in any positive balance by the 8th win you would stop right there and restart or quit for the day.
    If your balance is negative by the 8th win then you continue up to 16 wins, at any point which your balance becomes positive you stop and restart or quit for the day.
    If your balance remains negative all the way till only the 16th win remains then increase units on each number just enough to recover previous lost bets and gain some profit too. NEVER INCREASE UNITS BEFORE ONLY 1 WIN REMAINS!

    The ultra conservative variation doesn't remove any number which make us win, it bets constantly 35 numbers excluding only the 2 last spun numbers.
    This goes on and on till one of those two numbers comes and make us lose 35 units, this is where the countdown begins, start with the virtual bank of 136 units and bet up to 16th win, at any time where your balance becomes positive stop immediately and restart procedure from scratch.

    I think the ultra conservative variation is the definition of "grinder" :)
    Before I finish, I'd like to share my experiences with you about the TUC "The Ultimate Countdown"
    Even with the ultra conservative variation you could encounter a set of spins/results which lead you to one last remaining win (16th) and you MUST use the progression if you want to recover any lost bets, well, it happened but by that time I was more than 900 units net profit.
    Also another hard session lasted for 25 spins with 13 uniques VS 12 repeaters, the bets begun to raise too high so I have quitted with loss.

    This game keeps on surprising you when you think you have everything under control, just keep this on your mind!
     
  2. gizmotron

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    That was one of the best posts I have ever read on a gambling forum. You have all the explanation and steps spelled out so well that there is no confusion figuring it out. You even have telemetry for each step.

    Did you program this in order to power test it?

    Or did you hand type all these results for each spin by hand?

    Turbo Genius started all this with his sharing of a radioactive decay video and his conclusion regarding Roulette. That's quite an achievement for any one person.
     
  3. BlueAngel

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    Thanks for your reply, I'm a bit of old fashioned, at least on roulette, so usually I do things manually and on my own way...
    My true opinion is that even if it's very strong method, it cannot be consider HG.
    Perhaps I could have missed some parameter(s) which could make it a HG, I have tested it quite enough in order to understand pretty well its weakness and strong assets.

    What do you think beyond my analysis?
     
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    Nobody has taken a rule based method and beaten the game with it yet. Not even Turbo with his method. Blackjack players wait for a moment of advantage. Wheel Bias players wait until they have a real biased wheel. Randomness players like myself wait until a strong or very strong coincidence in the randomness is occurring, knowing not when that coincidence will end by the way. Ballistic experts wait until their accuracy is validated before placing bets. But rule based system players don't wait for anything but rules based triggers without any consideration for situational awareness.

    I think that if power tested it would fail.
     
  5. TurboGenius

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    That's not true - but by all means, continue on.
     
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    This is a good way to play for the most part
     
  7. gizmotron

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    It's true as long as you refuse to openly power test it. It's just a claim. I've built a different version that beats the game in 300,000 spins. It just does not beat it enough times to overcome the math. So it's real easy to say that without peer review there is no validation and no certainty other than your word, the word of a self proclaimed genius. On the other hand you could be nothing mare than a bitter hoaxer with a zest for the comedy. I'd love to be proven wrong but you are the only one that can do that and you aren't talking. So anyone around here would be a fool not to treat this with at least some healthy skepticism. Live with it.
     
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  8. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    It only takes a little logic, common sense, and math to prove that the system is silly.

    1. The same number pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.
    2. Therefore the odds of winning does not change from one spin to the next.
    3. The house payoff is short.
     
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  9. Boz

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    Common sense has never been a strong point of any Roulette system believers. Math isn't high on their list either. Also note none have ever taken Michael Bluejay up on his challenge.

    Which is why all the so called Roulette experts are welcome at any casino, any time.
     
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    Define "peer review" ? You mean because I have not posted specific step-by-step on a internet forum or because it hasn't been verified - to your knowledge (which it has).
    I'm not talking ? I've said entirely too much already, haven't I ?
    It is easy to say "I don't think it can be done" - but that isn't what you said. You said that I had not done it, and that is untrue. So I have nothing against a skeptic - but be sure to say that "in your opinion" it can't be done.
    This game has been beaten.. and that's not opinion, it is fact.
     
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    I'm a roulette expert, and I'm banned from about 1/3 to half of the casinos in the US. Ermmm...why do you suppose that is? Lol.
     
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  12. gizmotron

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    No it has not Magellan.
     
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    Slowing down the game or some other nonsense like that. It's not because you are beating the game over time.
     
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    Yes, you do have to know which with a higher probability than random, otherwise the results will be predictable: losses over time.
     

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    I understand where you are trying to get to but I won't entertain you.
    I don't know about you but I'm not here to confirm what I already know but to learn or at least laugh if there isn't something useful.
    I'm not here to point the elephant inside the room.
    Do you know what's the fundamental flaw of 99% of systems?
    In short ''there is not one size fit all...''
    You see Mike, every system tries with one way or the other to satisfy specific condition(s), when those conditions cannot been met those systems fail and in this category belongs the vast majority.
    They are trying to win in a certain way, with a particular bet selection and everything has its opposite, so everything could win and lose.
    It doesn't matter if they win 999 times and then lose once more than what they won, it doesn't matter if they fool themselves with money managements and hit n run tactics, win less money frequently and lose big but rarely or lose less money more often than you win...all the same!
    What I'm trying to say here is that unless there is a flexible method which could be adapted to any conditions the bottom line would remain the same.
    If there is a REAL edge the more you play the more you accumulate profit.
    The perfect method needs the perfect handler, patience, discipline, focus, observation, perception, guts, moderation are the elements of the perfect handler.
    "Look around you, what do you see? A bunch of fools without grasp of what they are doing...''
    ''What is the sword without the hand which wields it...?''
     
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    Higher probability than random. That explains Roulette believers in a nutshell. Unless of course they are clocking the wheel. Good luck finding that wheel.

    A Roulette system believer is more likely to be banned from a casino for public masterbation than from winning.
     
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    Please explain these questions. Don't be afraid. Don't run and hide.

    1.) Does probability say when a win streak will start?
    2.) Does probability say how long a win streak will last?
    3.) Does probability say when a win streak will end?

    It takes win streaks to make probability statistics what they are.
     
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    How it can be improved?
     
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    No, no and no. Unless you have a proven clocked wheel, which every casino employee is trained to avoid. Each spin is random...period. And there is a built in house advantage on every casino wheel. No system or method can beat the house advantage unless you get lucky...period. But you guys know that and the honest ones among you even admit it.

    So what you are down to is trying to figure mathematical ways to beat a game in the short term that the math shows can't be beat.

    But unless you accept each spin is random, you already lost. Good luck! Because luck is all you have.
     
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    I'm one of the honest ones. Luck is all you have. Only I have perfected a method to deal exactly with luck. I don't just wish it happens and go on gambling as if one day my ship will come in. I hope you are listening to this. I specifically target the lucky streaks. And BTW, I never know when they will occur. Nobody knows that. Why people don't try to deal with these times is a real mystery to me. It's the place where they should start.
     

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