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Baccarat Ties in Baccarat

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by R19, Dec 11, 2018.

  1. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    Players bet tie for all sorts of reasons from outright win to covering the amount they are placing on high payout bets to whatever. Since tie is only 8 to 1, that outcome really has to be hitting a lot to warrant betting on it. Unlike everything under the Sun about tie from the math world, ties can exhibit massive streaking and trending characteristics in a baccarat shoe.

    A significant series of ties are going to really burn up high payout bet players as Dragon, Panda, etc. bets are lost on a tie outcome. Just like everything in baccarat, you can watch a huge number of real shoes play out to learn about ties. I don't recommend placing on tie at all other than to cover high payout bets very selectively.
     
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  2. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Well-Known Member

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    Thanks R19

    Here's what i've read, it seems that there are some AP tracking shoe and just before the end, depending on how many even/odd card remains, then they betting on tie. I was impressed that they could overcome a more than 14% edge.
     
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    Ok i've just seen that if it was paid not 8 but 9/1 it was reduced now at a bit less than 5% edge.
     
  4. R19

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    I've seen casinos on line live paying 9 to 1.
     
  5. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Well-Known Member

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    how come i cannot send you a message? I wanted to send you those page i've read
     
  6. R19

    R19 Active Member 👹 Troll 👹

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    I'll post up some channels of good on line live baccarat play.

    Best to ask in forums. Didn't intend to post on this site really and starting to. Best experience is seeing for yourself in life play practice or actually betting. Top houses of size are very accommodating to people just watching.

    In this topic you'll see plenty of shoes with very few ties, streaks and trends of ties, many show up out of nowhere, etc. That's the shuffle, cut, and burn cards at work.
     
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  7. Sharptracker

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    Ok i wait to see that.

    About Tie what i meant is it seems that it is possible determine if it is good or not to bet on Tie, according to the card remaining in the shoe at a certain moment. Have you heard about that?
     

  8. R19

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    Yes. Some blindly put money on tie, but some are using every strategy that players use for the main high payout bets. Like tie lines on the bead plate hit frequently when tie is a frequent outcome.
     
  9. Sharptracker

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    But how could you grab an edge from what you described? Look here 's a part of what i read ...

    Capturep.PNG
     
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    What’s the source of that attachment?
     
  11. Sharptracker

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    It is a book from James GrosJean: Beyond Counting Exploiting Casino Games from Blackjack to Video Poker

    Actually that part attached have been post by mistake i wanted to post something else but i cannot edit it (if the Admin could do something...)
     
  12. R19

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    Casino math and house edge hahaha

    Why are so many so eager to look at baccarat the way the house does? Play the shoe in front of you and the ones around you.

    I never really place anything on tie, but there are reasons why others do.
     
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  13. Sharptracker

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    Well, this way they seem to survive.
     
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    I spoke to a customer why she bet tie knowing that the odds are bad and I get this terrific respond. She said she uses the same bankroll that she bought in to bet the tie. She claim she did not use extra buy ins separately for ties. At the end of the day I might play a few hands less on banker or player and it's ok. It's fun when you win on ties.
     

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    Ties are one of the most sought after outcomes when the opposing side has a number that is a kill shot or very hard to beat. There are times where the margin for a favorable result is only tie/ win. You will see plays yelling and pounding the table for tie just as much as anything. When there is serious five figures plus on the line or any position really on the table, and the only lucky hope is to get the fuck out with a tie? Even if there is zero money on the actual tie bet, it can be a very desired result.

    And, yes some players want to position on these 'fun devils' to participate and support even though they put the heavy paper on Bank/ Player.

    Dealers don't know anything about baccarat - lol say the people who never play. I listen to dealers, the floor bosses, and executive managers because it pays. They are right there.

    But theoretically... In the long run. What about edge? Beat the game! Are you pro? All in/ win/ lose... go home.
     
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    @Craps Have you only checked about odds of the lottery, why they play? Because of the return that seems attractive...

    I always wonder why we don't see people dupplicating things @poker or @BJ... Is it because there is no billboard? i guess so... The randomness professor would immediately notice everything... Queen heart and 6 heart use to flirt together when this is x dealer... What an occasion & shortfall to shear all those sheeps with a simple billboard...
     
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    BREAKING NEWS. People can afford to play the lottery. Oh crap, there is no edge or theoretical advantage to playing the lottery, but people win. I will go ask The Dark Wizard, his Black Riders, and his serfs what they think. Maybe it falls under comp arbitrage or picking up chips that people drop on the floor?
     
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    There is winners because the number of players is large...The payout is huge, but you could play A hundred lifes (even much more) without win the jackpot. At least i understand them better than you with baccarat small payout, it means that you'll need to struggle a lot (while only a win at the lottery is enough) and you risk to spend so many hours and come back to the starting point... It only worth to do that if you have an edge (i think it is possible at baccarat) but all those billboard stuff are nonsense to me.
     
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    Have you ever found a guy that found the combination due to a system? I think, most of them are agree to say that it was luck (actually they accept it because everything happen so fast) They got in my country for example 1/139 838 160 to win and as you stated they are some winners...
    While at table games everything is long to happen, according to how many spins/hands you play so you'll refuse to see it as luck and believe it is because of skills (haha) and actually you probably wouldn't have been yet as lucky (according the probability of your historic) as lottery winners who accept all to say that it was pure luck... see the scene mate?
     
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    So far, with baccarat, you know nothing. It is very likely from what I have reviewed, you have never played at all or at least tried to play somewhat seriously. People play the lottery because they want to and can afford to do it. They don't care about your stupid as rocks edge and theoretical value. If you play the lottery and win it is because it is written that you will win and destiny.... those are the odds.

    I have tried to help you, but no more. You don't understand the basic premise of high payout bets so you post for help, get real answers, and then talk shit about the reality of it because you want to fall back on your charts and numbers and in the long run stats and math which is crap. Real crap 100%

    AND THIS IS TO YOU, JOHN BLERG/ ALPHONSE RELAX AND EVERYONE ELSE HERE. I DON'T NEED OR CARE TO LEARN FROM ANY OF YOU. I HAVE A GOOD NUMBER OF REAL WORLD ACADEMIES CALLED CASINOS WITHIN A RIDICULOUSLY SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME FROM ME AND MORE WHERE I CAN PLAY AND LEARN WITH THE REAL GAME AND REAL PLAYERS. NOT YOUR STUPID MATH, NOT YOUR IN AND OUT IN 30 MINUTES ALWAYS, NOT YOUR BULL.
     

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