Roulette To Roulette players who only bet the even chance selections, there is a better option

If you are a roulette player who only bets the even chance selections: red-black, odd-even, hi-lo, here is something you may want to consider. This does not apply as much to those who flat bet and have no particular strategy. If your strategy for betting even chance is based on pattern betting or something to that effect and you use a Martingale betting progression, Consider this: The Zero or double Zeros are the disrupter of any kind of pattern betting system. They throw the whole strategy out of whack.

However, in the game of Craps, the Pass and Don't Pass line are also basically an even chance bet. But the one big, big difference is you never, ever encounter Zeros to interrupt your strategy.

In my original post "Red/Black Pattern Betting", I explained how I use the red and black patterns to determine my next bet along with a 7 step Martingale betting progression. To this day I am still having pretty good luck with the strategy. However, out of curiosity, I applied the same strategy to Craps using the Pass and Don't Pass lines as though they represented the Red and Black in Roulette. I noticed that they also produce patterns exactly like the Red and Black do in Roulette. Again, the big, big difference is there are no Zeros to interrupt and throw off the strategy. I am showing twice as good of results with my strategy applied to Craps rather than Roulette. Bottom line, screw Roulette and its even chance bets. Craps offers a much better chance.

The same applies to Baccarat if you use a pattern betting system with a Martingale betting progression. Just like in Roulette and the Zeros that throw things off, in Baccarat, it is the Ties that throws things off. Furthermore, betting with a Martingale progression in Baccarat is sheer stupidity because if you have progressed to a high-dollar bet and win on Banker, you lose money.

So then, if you are an even chance Roulette better, try your strategy on the Pass and Don't Pass line in Craps. You should yield much better results. One more advantage of Craps verses Roulette, the problem with Roulette is finding single Zero wheels for the best odds everywhere you go. However, Craps offers the same odds anywhere you go.

 

Tie is not a loss it a money back , if you are frightened of the commission on banker the readers are probably better suited to slot machines, oooh pretty lights, awww soothing sounds and a definite loss of money, but gee you had a good time.
cheers
P.s love your other threads , but this one is not well thought through.
Your experience would help you I would think if you actually applied it to baccarat. I’m only guessing but I would assume you could personally profit from baccarat. Imho. Cheers

 

First of all I did not say you loose money on a tie in Baccarat. I stated you loose money on the Banker bet. Case in point: Let's say I am up 100 dollars and I loose the next bet so I Martingale a 5.00 dollar unit bet 8 times to 640.00. If I hit on banker, I win 640.00 less the bankers 5% commission of 32.00. I was up 100.00, but when you subtract the 32.00, I am now down to 68.00. That's what I call losing money. What do you call it?

I did try my strategy on Baccarat many times, but with the Ties and Banker's commission, it just does not work that well for me. It works best for me playing the Pass and Don't Pass lines in Craps over both Roulette and Baccarat.

Look, this post is just my observation from what I experienced. My only suggestion is you try it and see how it works for you. Nothing more.

 

On a side note: I used and tested another method found on the web (free) and then modified it so that I was only flat betting for the game of baccarat. It worked well, however from a total of 40 shoes tested, my win rate was around 67% from which I had a stoploss of 5 units. So in the event that I reached this point, I would just wait for the next shoe.

I haven't actually played it for real in the B&M casino.
But I know 40 shoes probably isn't a lot to go by, but that was all I could do by myself, without access to a fully-fledged computer testing program.

 

If i may know what do you mean 67% win rate ?

From your decision to make a bet or win / loss session ?

Example what i mean :
1000 decision you make a bet, you win 670 bet and loss 330 bet

OR

40 shoe play, you win 27 shoe and loss 13 shoe ?

Thanks

 

So 67% calculated on a total number of shoes played. As in your last example. But note that I didn't take the banker commission into account.

 

Ooops my bad , I really should have stated your approach to bet selection was the winner knowledge YOU have , as you displayed across various threads.

Your personal like for Marty as you used in quote I’m reply to now , is in my opinion just plain FOOLISH , I have posted previously other threads my opinion on Marty and bank decision. It’s a loser.
But if you do use Marty on bank decisions then don’t complain about the commission, you should view it as the cost of doing business because you are using brute force to achieve a result.

When I USED to be a Marty man as posted previously other threads and YES I was FOOLISH , as per previous paragraph ,my statement, to use brute force money hammer ( I’m fairly wealthy) to play “ PLEASE” read how FOOLISH this is , to play a 1/2 price banker table with a FULL MARTY. The number of times you are hit on a half price is minimal compared to full commission bank baccarat table.

I used to use brute force Marty, I could still use it , as YES with enough money the actual draw down, commission, 1/2 price can be over come by the sheer volume of available cash.

You mathy people know that , YOU dealers know that , hell the casinoverse knows that hence the commission and MAX table limited betting.

The reason I don’t Marty anymore is not because of financial restrictions, table limits, commission ( read even with just Marty betting and a excellent bankroll you WILL get back the “costs of business” in due time ) its is ONLY because I personally cannot handle the emotional swings in getting there.

So once again I have established my personal argument/opinion on pro and against Marty for the average person.

I Only flat bet as previously posted across this forum.

WHY ?

Because now in my own opinion I no longer need to use a BRUTE FORCE money management system such as a Marty because I , like you DAVID , have a better bet selection criteria that makes the need to Marty redundant.

DAVID you know you have a selection criteria that’s viable I should have addressed that in my initial post reply this thread, you should know by now you don’t need to Marty. Even if you use a Marty you should know long term ( I personally hate that expression) the commission is just a cost of business and you will win enough times to recapture that costing and eventually turn a profit.

In my opinion the draw down for most Marty player is the fact they don’t look further than this immediately fulfilled need to win that next hand and be in profit immediately. Where in actual fact take the 5% reduction because the nature of Marty is you win more OFTEN than you lose ( is that not the reason a Marty is employed?) technicality you should be profitable over time. But most of you burn out due to lack of funds or due to the emotional swings ( as in my case)

If in the example you are giving re craps relying on a Marty as you get out of jail, maybe you may rethink that one as per this post , or not. No biggie.
Well better bet selection criteria happy wife, happy life. Cheers

 

Oh as a after thought.
You won a $100 bet =$100 profit
Re bet the next sequence for that’s what we do , bet $640 ( wrong bet size if your betting $100 units, I digress) you won not on first bet but that why you brutal Marty is in play your return is $608 ( less 5% &$32-$640 original stake)
You say your balance is not $68 and that a loss I believe you posted.

No it’s a win of $68 STILL a PROFIT
Funny how we equate that as a loss of $32 yet when you put fuel in your car to drive to your job to receive a pay check each week you don’t call that a loss.

If you won the very next bet after this last bet and the unit was $100 you are now at $168 profit , then you outlay another $640 on bank and win you are still at profit of $136, let’s say you finish up today. come back tomorrow and win every first bet at $95 for 10 bets =$950 , plus yesterday $136 =$1086 .

That’s the Marty and cost of doing business

FULL disclosure I’m on record this thread as saying Marty is a loser, for most readers it is a loser for reason stated above . For the very few of you out there it is an absolute winner and it is . If you use the Marty beware of its pitfalls and I do encourage you if you are successful Marty player to use it. Good luck. Cheers

 

Bactz,

Very interesting.

Please share your Baccarat method to us.

Thanks

 

Joey, I don't want to take over David's thread here, but if you want I can send you more info...is there a PM thing here? I'm still new here, not sure how to use it.

 

I believe 300 posts unlock p m facilities, so you can start a new thread to discuss you topic and not hijack David’s thread . Or you can open up a new email account primarily for the purpose of getting in touch with Joey , you post the first part of the email address in one post .

Then you post the other part of the email in another post with out the ,com as that’s the dead giveaway to admin. Fish in a barrel bactz easy peassy.
Oh and you get a like button on 300 of
your posts now sad but that’s what it is.
Cheers good luck skipptophian.

 

I do not know how to say this tactfully but you are definitely not paying attention to what I have stated. I made it very clear that I use a 5.00 unit base bet. If I Marty 7 times and lose, the 8th bet will be 640.00. If I had a profit of 100.00 up to that point and win on Banker, I lose 32.00 from my last winning point of 100.00. That brings me down to 68.00. I will have to win 6 hands to bring me back to even. That's a loss no matter how yo slice it. The way you talk is if you are up to 5,000.00 profit and then go on to lose 4,595.00 you would say: I didn't lose anything, I made a profit of 5.00 for the last 12 hours of playing.

You stated: "Funny how we equate that as a loss of $32 yet when you put fuel in your car to drive to your job to receive a pay check each week you don’t call that a loss." I do call it a loss. If you use 32.00 worth of gas to pick up your paycheck, and your paycheck is 500.00, you have to replace that 32,00 worth of gas from your paycheck bringing down the only money you have left to spend is 468.00. I guess the better term rather than loss would be cost of doing business. Now then, isn't the whole idea to cut down the cost of doing business? What if I work out of my home and my paycheck is sent directly to my bank account? That would definitely cut the cost of doing business. That's why I do not like Baccarat, the cost of doing business is too high for me.

This post is not intended to be an argument against The Martingale, Roulette or Baccarat. It is aimed solely at those who play only the even chance bets in Roulette. It is a fact when compared to Craps that you have a better chance because the are no Zeros to kill your strategy. A good even chance strategy with good money management will work better playing the Pass and Don't Pass line in Craps rather than both Roulette and Baccarat for that matter.

I take it as a Baccarat player, you only bet on either Banker or Player and you never bet on Tie. Why would your flat betting strategy work better playing Baccarat rather than Craps using the Pass and Don't Pass as Banker and Player? You don't know do you because you haven't tried it. You cannot argue this fact, Craps pays even money on both the Pass and Don't Pass line. Baccarat does not. Banker only pays 95% of your bet.

 

Oh, I have an after thought also. You talk as though you have a flat betting strategy for Baccarat that's a real winner. So far just all talk with no proof. All of us here would like for you to share your strategy with us just as we share our strategies with others. If you do not share it, how can we believe anything you say with all talk and no show. First of all, I find it very hard to believe you make any real money flat betting. There is no strategy that I have ever seen for flat betting that is consistently profitable, or at least not of as yet. The only thing flat betting accomplishes is it minimizes your losses at a slower rate. So then, let's see what you got. No more talkie, talkie.

 

I used to think that betting flat wouldn't feed the bulldog but i was in error. After extensive testings I conclude that betting flat at baccarats, bankers only style is the only way to go, hey hey.

 

There's a lot of cynicism on this thread. Very nasty indeed!

 

David my bad , and my apologies I DID miss the $5unit , and now in context that $32 is a huge cost of doing business. It has possibly wiped out 6 hours of production give or take.
I won’t bother with the tit for tat on various points in your reply hardly worth the effort.
As for doing what I do playing crap, yes it can work but requires way too much time and must have a constant run of shooter. Here as a side piece of information and I assume you are playing out of an American casino base, CRAPS is NOT a big game here they often close one of the two tables available here during the week, I play daily during the day rarely see more than 2 people playing at anytime . Doable but I make better profit in less time elsewhere.

I use the method on rng and live stadium roulette all e c , constant results constantly enables me to apply my approach.

For the record I have never advocated my approach on this forum, I have posted reasons why,I have posted don’t ask as I will not tell for reasons already posted previously, I don’t need to be acknowledged as a successful player by you randoms on the interverse. I have provided information re method to a couple of members this forum and I had asked them not to repost the workings of it here or any other forum as long as I’m alive. After my death they have free reign to post as they wish. I am thankful that they have honoured their word to me by not posting and I’m deeply respectful they are people of their word. The reason I shared with them was not for vindication but to enlist their expertise, brainstorming, and different perspective that they demonstrate from their posts this forum various threads.


Say what you like David but personally if I think you have posted anything of value I will continue to direct others readers to your thread as I have done in the past. If you have taken personal affront to my previous posts this thread then that’s your problem as it was not posted in malaise.
Cheers

 

Yes I agree with you, not fully on bank only but 100% flat betting. I also support those that play a successful Marty as I posted previously many threads.

I don’t support flat betting,Marty or any other money betting systems if you are just a degenerate gambler or you have no idea what you are doing, or you are using some fallacy driven emotive bet selection criteria.

My personal preference after so many years of using different m m is flat betting large units. The reason most readers can’t understand flat bet profitability is they have yet to master a reliable bet selection criteria of their own, therefore EVERYONE else must be a failure as they are. Not my problem. Cheers

 

This is a quite day , read the random thread by gizmtron now there’s nasty shit, and the biggest laugh he’s trying to give them something useful for free. Talk about fools.
The number of morons you will come across bactz will make your head spin. Sit back and enjoy, don’t take anything personally, cheers.

 

I have taken nothing that you have said as a personal stab. I truly appreciate all of your comments (except for when you misquote me.) I wish there was some way I could put my strategies up against all those who claim to have a winning method.

 

Punkcity you've been nice to me, thank you. You're a very good guy. I value your words honestly...Nothing taken the wrong way, if anything, I really shouldn't have posted my last comment..
Sorry David but when you read a lot of stuff others have posted, it can be pretty ugly. Sorry again.