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Baccarat trend or anti trend?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by tomla, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. tomla

    tomla Member Founding Member

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    Anyone have an opinion on whether it is better to bet with the trend or against? me I prefer anti trend and to bet for the chop!
     
  2. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    Tom,
    When I simulated zumma baccarat books and malta baccarat book I found that all bets are fundamentally same with same level of difficulties. No betselection is better than all at micro or macro level. It is, however, possible to be immune from the worst possible, if you are aware of virtual limit of variance.
     
  3. Jimske

    Jimske New Member Founding Member

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    For the dense like me what exactly does "virtual limit of variance" mean? That things don't last forever?
     
  4. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    I have explained that in betselection.cc and my blog but will soon elaborate in a separate topic here.
     
  5. Michael

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    I like to bet a choppy biased shoe (1's and 2's) as well as the (2's and 3's). I bet opposite the last decision with a 12 down loss progression on the (1's and 2's). With (2's and 3's I bet opposite the time before the last decision with the same progression.

    If the shoe jumps off into streaky runs, I either ride it flat betting until a loss or just pass altogether until the run stops.

    No rocket science. It works for me more often than not. If I choose my shoes with careful selection after 10-15 hands or so, I average +7 to +12 units in roughly 30 hands, plus or minus.

    If the shoe bias changes...I'm OUT of there! Next shoe please!

    I HATE losing just like the next guy but I am NOT going to keep taking it on the chin! Funny thing though...that other guy just sits there and continues his losing way. Me...I've found a new and more promising shoe. Life is TOO short to play crappy shoes that DON'T fit my style of play!
     
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  6. tomla

    tomla Member Founding Member

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    thats a smart style of play
     
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  7. Michael

    Michael Member

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    Thanks tomla...I still play for enjoyment and treat it like a business.
     
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  8. Anna Loudon

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    I need to remember to treat my gambling like a business, I get the play for enjoyment part with no problem. I come in on little money like $70 and win $900 and continue to play for enjoyment thinking I will continue to win only to end up loosing and having to find another small bankroll and start again. I can't believe how many times I justify this with but I ate, laughed talked to others and had a good time. I need to remember to take those winning out the door.
     
  9. asymbacguy

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    Ah the lol of been there done that, hope I never do that again! Or the lol of you cannot be that dumb? Explain please asymacguy?
     
  11. Qswaggerstupid18

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    I've been wanting to ask this question for the LONGEST ...!!! Ok my best winning streak ever is 14 hands in a row!!.... all flat betting.... Ok, can you say the system I use is luck or some sort of skills... I mean me personally don't believe in LUCK!!... but I also thought if I flipped a coin 14 times, I HIGHLY DOUBT I WILL BE CORRECT 14 TIMES IN A ROW, without some type of skill!!... what did I experienced at the time!!??... I prefer someone who have great knowledge in this game to answer!!?? Thanks

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  12. gizmotron2

    gizmotron2 Active Member

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    People love to associate meaning to things that happen. You can have a bet selection method, and if you gamble a lot, that selection method will show one of five types of effectiveness. These are the five things that can happen from your pet selection method: 1. Works perfect or almost perfect as a win streak. 2. Works very well but about half way between perfect and breaking even. 3. Breaks even. 4. Works half way between breaking even and losing every hand in a row. 5. Loses every hand or bet in a row. In other words a perfect losing streak.

    Once you begin to see your streaks as identifiable as one of these five ways of seeing the streaks you can formulate a best strategy to cope with the current conditions. If you can't see a streak because it is just all over the place it could be that you are just experiencing breaking even or being very close to it. So if you like your bet selection method and it produces all five forms of conditions for you then that is a skill. It's a craft of identifying conditional awareness. On the other hand, if you just go to the casino and plod along aimlessly because you saw a flashing light and the number 7 in it, and you heard a person walking by that shouted "I won!" then it's all just a skill-less matter of luck. But guess what? It doesn't take skill to identify the five conditions either. You can have no bet selection process at all and you can still identify the streaking conditions.

    I play Roulette because I monitor 12 similar paths of decisions to consider, all simultaneously as the game proceeds. With Baccarat I only get one data stream path to consider for patterns, singles, repeats, and effectiveness. So I'm always looking for the working trends from the best source available at the casino.
     
  13. Bombus

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    I've had 19 wins in a row.
    I've had 19 losses in a row too.
    That pretty much sums it up for me.
     
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    Betting flat don't feed the bulldog, hey hey!
     
  15. gizmotron2

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    It it best to know when it is beneficial to do either. Trends will give you good and bad effectiveness and so will changing when those changes make sense. For those of us that actually look for opportunities in considering both side of it, nothing is a best way. It's just a best way for a while.
     
  16. Bombus

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    Run two bankrolls, one for trends and one for anti trends.

    Leave each bankroll in suspension whenever your bet selection switches between the two.

    You could even run more independent bankrolls according to effectiveness measures within the two.


    Life wasn't meant to be easy, especially for gamblers.
     
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