Baccarat Troll free thread to discuss Baccarat

If any trolls appear you will know who they are. The ones not discussing baccarat, writing stories about themselves, taking over the thread, insults etc etc.

Report them to admin right away.

 

The main troll is Jae, and he looks like this. HE ALSO USES ANOTHER USERNAME NAMELY bellringtoday

 

Steviepoopoo the shit you write it's so idiotic its less than childish!!!!

you books will never make anybody money and it will only fucking cause drama.

You're such a fuking idiot!!!!! Seriously a damn real idiot!!!!!

 

Stephen Tabone is the most realistic and best writer for online gambling than y'all.His systems are helping me understand the gumbling business well and I wouldn't hesitate to recommend him to my friends .lol

 

I would like to report myself for the unforgivable crime of not knowing what it is that I'm doing wrong.

Don't laugh! A lack of introspection is a serious issue

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On a more serious note: Is there any small chance we could discuss the math used in the analysis of baccarat, which is used to make strategies for the game?...???

I keep thinking that we can find common ground in math, if nothing else. It is supposed to be an exact science.

If we can't agree on 2+2 = 4 then I see no hope here, or perhaps anywhere else in this thing we call life...

 

What do you want to say about maths in relation to strategies in baccarat?
Have you any starting ideas?

 

STEVIE, go ahead and answer tell him how you took two big cocks in your mouth and got them to release their sperm and you swallowed it. So it was actually two plus one, equals= STEVIEs lunch, you go ahead and fill in the blanks Stevie cuz you're the one that knows about all that stuff!!!!!

 

I told you there is no hope, that the trolls will follow. I think people should 'report' the trolls, moreover when they use swearwords and obscenity, it just makes the forum look really bad, it doesn't bother me if the trolls have disturbed minds, I've analysed them and diagnoses them, but it disrupts this forum which is the most important thing that needs to be stopped.

I have no control over this forum, I can't ban them. A joke is a joke, but these trolls, 'Jae' and 'bellringtoday' take it too far and don't know when to stop! I think the site owner needs to act otherwise this site will lack valuable content from casino games experts.

 

I did. As a starting point, since a shoe typically involves eight decks of cards we can "almost assume" an even chance of occurrence for any given card value in the first 52 cards drawn. If we match the occurrence rate to the precise rules of the game for a given venue, we could start with a verification of the whole Banker wins slightly more often than the Player thing.

I don't expect surprises, but it would be a good place to begin and gain confidence.

Obviously, it gets WAY too complicated after more than 100 cards are out of the deck. I would do this only for a FULL time job, not a hobby. But that's my two cents.

 

Whether 6 or 8 decks in use, there's not going to be much difference pertaining to bank or player occurrences assuming an even split of card values in this respect and in my view. If one is purely betting for a banker or player outcome then the scores in irrelevant unless side bets are being made on high or low values. Aside from noting banker occurring more times over the player side or vice versa, personally, I see no advantage is counting the first 52 cards drawn solely based off of the number each side scored.

The biggest advantage a bettor might have in baccarat in either going to be one side making a run, (not an unbroken streak) but a run of more outcomes than the other side, and/or betting on the side that needs to catch up...all things being equal in the game, even as I think you're thinking, that each deck of cards have the same overall value and only the shuffle, and cut of the cards changes some order for a set number of outcomes, I think you're saying, but I agree up to a point and maintain that this push/pull state going on will bring things back into order. If this makes sense.

The drawback is going to be the commission on banker wins, the more outcomes bet on. I see your point, you are thinking to limit in-game play to 10 maybe 20 outcomes in a shoe?

This post may not go through because I think I've been banned because I defended myself against the troll.

 

Stephen, Sorry but part of your statements are correct and some shows a lack of understanding of what goes on with random outcomes.
You are correct in stating that there is no difference between banker and player outcomes. Anyone who has spent a lot of time observing the game will see that they just about always try to come to even. Chop and follow counts also will try to come to even. DBL will also attempt to come to even. Hence why a lot of us look at it as a fifty fifty game.

But, stating that the biggest advantage one has is one side making a run or a catch up. Wrong! If one was to spend the majority of their time at a Baccarat table they would see that sometimes it catches up sometimes it don't almost like fifty fifty. So you could play for either.

The shortest distance between two points IS a straight line. So you would be correct in thinking that you want a cluster of wins. Could be one side, could be a running chop, could be any number of patterns you track against the outcomes. Yep if you tracked ppb, pbp, bpp, in three columns there are a lot of shoes that you will get a straight line of decisions for it to hit or miss the column. Where people get the shaft is when they win with some patterns like this and then put out what they tested as fact. You could win several in a row for it to then disappear for a while.

Looking for just one or two patterns limits your chance of hitting a streak or as some have called it a cluster. One could state that playing 5b then 5p what are the chances of losing. You could run numbers on it showing it a good idea. Then like today I hit 5p 5b 5p if you were betting opposite this you would get crushed same as 3p 3b 3p and the hits roll on.

Sorry to stick my nose in the conversation but bad advice flows on this forum.

 

Yes Frank would you like to debate the math between Permutations vs combinations i find this subject very interesting and use it with every BAC bet i make, it is in the formula i have created and seems to do very well staying around the 50% mark,using a neg pro gets the money

 

Your post went through. I think you misunderstood me. (or I misunderstood you) I was not saying people should only play the first part of a shoe. I was suggesting that we do a mathematical proof for why the banker wins slightly more than the player and factor in the commission paid on the banker.

MOREOVER: I was suggesting that we teach everyone HOW to do the proof themselves so they don't have to go off "other people's opinions" and can rely more on their own learned skills.

In retrospect it's probably not a doable task. It's just basic binomial theorem, but that does not seem to be something most learn these days.

 

When I read this I could only think, "Hay...I got your permutations right here, you know what I'm sayin." It's much funnier if you say it with a New York accent and grab your crotch while speaking.

 

I was taught the shortest distance between two points was to stay where you are or pay someone to bring the other point to you...Just sayin...

 

Sure, I'd love to talk about it. I'm provisionally on my "first vacation" in two years and thinking of a lake trip and kayaking, so I may not be at a computer for the next few days.

Discussing math has got to be better and more interesting than the kerfuffle that's been going on. I think debate is important and needed in our society, it pains me when it bears no fruit.

Personally, I would rather soundly lose a debate and be proven wrong than enter into an argument that had no victor or resolution.

Feel me?

 

I'm signing off for several days and packing for my trip. I wanted to say one last thing...

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I have not always been right about everything. When people tell me I'm wrong, my ears perk up, I give them my full attention and fact check everything they say along with everything I had accumulated on the subject. If it turns out they were right and that I was wrong the only emotion I have ever experienced was to want to give-em a big hug and thank them.

(valley girl accent) Finding out you're wrong is like totally way more useful than being told you're right.

Being told you're right can make you feel good for a few minutes. Finding out you are wrong can change the rest of your life.

Error is never a point of shame. It is the required badge of courage needed to move us forward out of darkness and into the light.

~FK

 

I've studied the two even chance sides since the mid 1990s, I'm aware of the house edge in roulette outside chances, single zero; half back rule, banker side advantage though commission on bank wins or lose half of wins, the dance of the sides, all aspects about the game, I know I am correct and referring to too many aspects in one discussion creates too much confusion and chaos, can't see the wood for the trees. If you want to discuss this, stick to one aspect at a time. Drawing in too many ideas is not a good idea in trying to reach a conclusion and confuses readers.

E.g. First begin by discussing the power of the banker side over the player side or vice versa if that's what some believe. If you conclude that there is no advantage of the banker side in short term play 1 to 5 shoes (or 1 to 50 shoes are whatever) then we can move on. If not, we can thrash it out before moving on to other aspects. It's best to establish that we agree or others on certain aspects in the first instance otherwise we are miles apart. I have a bridge in mind to design and you a ship. Both carry things but function differently.

 

The Banco has an advantage due to it's ability to recover from a losing proposition via the drawing of another card, doesn't always pan out like that at the tables.

 

No mathematical rehash is needed. It is simply explained in the above post by Junket King.