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Roulette Using parameters to hit sleepers

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by delectus, Jul 27, 2018.

  1. delectus

    delectus Member

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    I know that sleepers are supposed to be after 111 spins , but I have borrowed the term for the purposes
    of this project.

    If you were to sit at a roulette Table and place a bet on you favourite number, example 10, it could become a sleeper. It may not come in for over 300 spins and it would therefore be an impossible
    betting proposition. If you started at 112 spins your money would soon vanish into the casino coffers,
    that's if it came in at spin 320. If instead you had a parameter of 105/161,you could then place a bet at
    105 spins with 10 likely to appear in the next 56 spins. A confident result would come from the fact
    that for over 3 years data shows, that this will be the outcome.

    At this early stage in the project there can of course be no such confidence, but if an accumulation of results show that it appears within it's parameter, it must at that stage be considered an advantageous
    bet. In my model probability changes to accommodate the demands of the parameters. I'm hoping a
    similar occurrence happens with the parameters in this project.

    The maximum number of spins at a Table is 28 spins. Move onto another Table or back to the same
    Table next day.

    I will list the 37 parameters in the next post.
     
  2. delectus

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    37 parameters as follows:

    01) 027/083
    02) 171/227
    03) 052/108
    04) 069/125
    05) 007/063
    06) 061/117
    07) 036/092
    08) 054/110
    09) 028 084
    10) 049/105
    11) 040/096
    12) 042/098
    13) 037/093
    14) 028/084
    15) 094/150
    16) 090/146
    17)020/076
    18) 045/101
    19) 024/080
    20) 044/100
    21) 049/105
    22) 061/117
    23) 024/080
    24) 064/120
    25) 127/183
    26) 041/097
    27) 052/108
    28) 127/183
    29) 018/074
    30) 048/104
    31) 031/087
    32) 027/083
    33) 017/073
    34) 018/074
    35) 091/147
    36) 026/082
    37) 148/204

    The 37 parameters are taken from my chart in the topic (space between spins)

    Many of the parameters are far too low at this stage and this will change over time. I will check
    out 40 or so more Tables, in order to get a more realistic column of parameters.
     
  3. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You are wasting your time on this path of research.
     
  4. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    You take number 10 as an example of your favorite number.
    The likelihood is 50% that you will hit that number within 25 attempts.
    After that, it gets worse.

    Cheers
     
  5. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    What you can do is to find out the short term true odds for numbers.
    For example number 28 hits within 16 attempts with 50% likelihood.

    Or you can measure several numbers/sectors and find out the true odds in the short term.
    I add the model to measuring and calculate.
     

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  6. delectus

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    First negative comment.

    With your wealth of experience I would have thought you would explain in detail why
    it is a waste of time.

    I already have a model that is very successful and here I simply trying to create a
    version of it.

    Have a little faith, stop with the negative waves ( Kellys Heroes movie) lol
     
  7. delectus

    delectus Member

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    What has this comment got to do with parameters?
     
  8. Jerome

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    delectus,

    Could you explain what these "parameters" mean? I have no idea what you're trying to do here.
     
  9. Jerome

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    The number 10 is just as likely to appear in the next 56 spins whether you have waited for 105 spins or not.
     
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    This is not meant to be negative, Ken, known as Mr J, knows all about cold numbers. You might want to get him to tell you some things.
     
  11. delectus

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    You have missed the point. The player sitting at the Table may get lucky and
    number 10 comes in 23 spins . However he/she may have to wait for 320 spins.

    Supposing instead the player used a parameter and waited until a 10 had not
    appeared for 105 spins. The 105 is if you like a trigger to start placing a bet.
    The player is no longer in the situation of waiting at the same Table for a
    long sleeper of 320 spins.

    The player will now expect 10 to appear in the next 56 spins. Don't forget he/she
    would move to another Table today, next week. next month, it doesn't matter.

    Ok this may sound incredible, but if you were to know that x number of 10's had
    come in within the 105/161 parameter, it would give you confidence to place
    a bet.

    Over the past 3 years I have seen many 10's come in within the parameter .

    This project is intended to gradually produce a number of successful results.
     
  12. delectus

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    Thanks gizmotron, I always welcome helpful comments. However this is a unique
    project and comments will really be useful once the project is up and running.
     
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  13. Nathan Detroit

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    Einstein has just been proven correct that there is a glimmer of light beyond the Black Hole in the universe . Never give up.
     
  14. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    There was nothing negative about it - I'm simply telling you that the road/path you
    are on is a waste of time. My "wealth of experience" along with my comment should be
    enough then.

    If you'd like, I can run off spins in RX - it has columns for "Longest without a hit" and
    "Spins since last appeared". It's incredibly easy to run off as many spins as you'd like
    and see the results.
    There is no "magical" barrier linked to specific numbers where (for example) #30
    hasn't appeared for 150 spins and you think that you know it will appear by spin 200 so
    you start betting. It will go to 201. Then with your stats of 201, you can play and it
    will go to 300, or 400, etc.
    I say "Random has limits" but it wasn't meant this way.
    There are ways to play hot numbers and ways to play cold numbers - what you've
    detailed here (so far) is a waste of your time so my comment was meant to help.
     
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  15. TurboGenius

    TurboGenius Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Two major flaws in your thinking/research.

    "Triggers" are a waste of time and
    "waiting for x to happen before doing y"

    I hope my comments help and save you some time.
    The most helpful comment is one where you're told the truth. That's what I provide.

    To think that #1 has a different and measurable/predictable "parameter" compared
    to #2 or #3 because your research of "past spins" has given you this info is a losing
    street to go down. But good luck, it may take a while but you'll tell me I was right :)
     
  16. gizmotron

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    Oh crap Turbo, somebody has to pay to keep the lights on.
     
  17. delectus

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    TurboGenious if you look at my first post it says "In my model probability changes
    to accommodate the demands of the parameters". It is the key component
    otherwise it would not work.

    You have to try and think outside of the box. I have developed a unique roulette
    model for over 3 years, a great deal of work and if it had looked hopeless after
    one year I would have abandoned it.

    I don't know for certain if this version of my model will work or not, but I am
    hoping the probability restriction will be sufficient for it to produce results
    similar to the model.
     
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    WTF? You sound like me. Turbo might be the last guy you need to preach that to.

    Ken
     
  19. Jerome

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    No, I haven't missed the point. I get what you're trying to do here; you think that by waiting for the trigger (105 spins, or whatever) you have created some kind of safety net. I can't really fault the logic because based on your data it seems reasonable to you. If research has shown that the longest sleeper is not more than 320 spins then by waiting for a prior sleeper of 105 spins you have potentially saved at least 105 units. So it seems that you've saved both waiting time and money, simple arithmetic, right?. But the logic is based on a flawed model of roulette. You only think it's reasonable because of your limited data. Probabilities are always fixed in roulette because (at the risk of sounding like a parrot, lol) the wheel has no memory. If you had RX or some other way of testing your theory on large numbers of spins you would see that what you're trying to do doesn't work, not even a little bit. Listen to TG, he's right.
     
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  20. Jerome

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    It's simple to test whether your theory works. Pick a target number and see how long it takes, on average, before you get a hit when (a) waiting for a prior sleeper and (b) not waiting (ie not having any idea what the spin history is). If your theory is correct you would expect to get a hit earlier in (a) than in (b), on average.
     

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