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Roulette Van De Waerden Theorem of Mathematics (VDW)

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by NickMsi, Apr 18, 2017.

  1. NickMsi

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    First some background. What is a Non-Random bet selection in Roulette?

    Certainly, the most frequently mentioned is the Biased Wheel. It does not matter why the wheel is biased, could be manufacturing defect, dust accumulation, high humidity or simply wear and tear.

    What matters is that it can be exploited with the Laws of Physics which basically states that an unbalanced wheel will ALWAYS drop the ball in a certain section more often than others.

    It cannot be otherwise. The Laws of Physics are proven, known and irrefutable. They increase your chances of winning.

    A biased wheel does not care if there are 10 Reds in a row, it will still favor a certain section of the wheel.

    A biased wheel does not care if you have 18 unique numbers in a row, it will still favor a certain section of the wheel.

    A biased wheel does not care about past spins, it will still favor a certain section of the wheel.

    A biased wheel does not care if each spin is independent and that the probability is still 1/37 on the next spin, it will still favor a certain section of the wheel.

    In other words, a Non-Random system like a biased wheel totally ignores what random is doing.

    A Non-Random system of bet selection does not care what the Standard Deviation is.

    A Non-Random system of bet selection does not care if you have 35 Reds and 165 Blacks in 200 spins.

    A Non-Random system of bet selection says FORGET ABOUT RANDOM.

    I have tested thousands of random systems over the years. I even thought I had the Holy Grail when I had a random system that won 987 consecutive sessions and then blew out on the next spin.

    If you play a random system you are subject to the usual independency of each single spin, you cannot change the odds of the next spin, past spins have no memory, etc. This is true and I have no argument here.

    OK, so no more playing random systems, let’s just play Non-Random Biased Wheels. But wait, modern technology has pretty much reduced the existence of biased wheels.

    That was our last hope.

    “No. There is another”, Yoda.
     
  2. tomla

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    good job nick!!!!
     
  3. NickMsi

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    Just as the Laws of Physics can obtain a Non-Random bet selection, the Laws of Math can do the same.

    Think about that. We can use the Laws of Math to eliminate randomness from our bet selection. We could care less what random does. Random does not affect the Laws of Physics nor does it affect the Laws of Math.

    If your bet selection is based on random, then random will always find a set of numbers to beat it. Therefore, eliminate random, use only Non-Random Laws of Math or Physics to get your bet selections.

    One of the drawbacks to the Laws of Physics is you have to have a Physical Wheel and that wheel has to be biased in some sort of way so you only can play in live casino or live video feeds online.

    The Laws of Math pertain to numbers. The numbers can be generated by either a live wheel or RNG (Random Number Generated). The means you can use the Laws of Math in the thousands of on line casinos as well as in land based ones.

    The Laws of Math are known, and proven. 1 + 1 = 2. This is always the case. This is certain. This is Non-Random.

    Wouldn’t you want your bet selection to be based on something that is known and certain, something that will happen, something that will ALWAYS happen rather than something that might happen?

    This Non-Random method of bet selection using the Laws of Math is what I want to explore using the Van De Waerden Theorem. For these interested in the details, check out this link.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_der_Waerden%27s_theorem

    Basically what the theorem says that in within 9 spins of a roulette wheel or 9 hands of baccarat a binary event will always complete an Arithmetic Progression (AP). Details about the AP in next thread.

    A binary event is any 2 events, like R(Red) & B(Black), P(Player) & B(Banker), Pass & Don’t Pass,etc.

    So in 9 spins we know for sure, without a doubt, that Red or Black or both will complete an Arithmetic Progression (AP).

    This is a Non-Random bet selection. We could care less what random is doing. We are betting that we will complete an AP within 9 spins. This is known, this is certain, this will happen.
     
  4. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    Nickmsi,

    I beleive you were going to demonstrate how past spins reach forward in time to influemce the future probability?

    Weren't you going to provide us with some examples?
     
  5. Michaela

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    It's great rhetoric, but I fear the logic won't be so impressive.
     
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    I hope you are going to show us how to play this Nick. Eagerly waiting, something new and sounds fancy. But what is this thing.
     
  7. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

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    [​IMG]

    I'm excited and I can't wait to see the math!
     
  8. celescliff

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    Will read this but falkor has been playing and discussing this for months and still havent found an edge even without applying casinos HE.
     
  9. NickMsi

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    My next post is being held up for moderator approval?
     
  10. Toofanexpress

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    Is this not like saying next spin will be either red or black. One of them has to happen.
     
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    No, one could be GREEN.
     
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  12. BlueAngel

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    Spot on!
    By observing a series of spins which already happened you cannot predict what will happen, simple as that.
    It's like claiming that by knowing the binomial distribution will help you win, how absurd!
    For example I see last results:

    Red,Red
    Red, Black
    Black,Red

    Since 3 out of 4 possible combinations have already occurred I'm assuming that next will be Black,Black which is the only permutation which hasn't occurred yet, of course this is the definition of Gamblers' Fallacy which considers due a certain bet, or permutation (series of bets) in the specific case.

    Let alone the zeros, such methods are big waste of time since the previous results are not being excluded from the future ones, regardless how many times happened during the last spins.
    Nick follows the same principle with dozens instead of EC bets in my example, but as long as the principle is absurd every implementation of it on any bet section will fail. (no, I don't have to be an oracle to know it)

    Nick, thank you for bringing this junk in our attention!
     
  13. Fossell

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    Chaps chill. Let him actually get started. Don't judge something second guessing.
    And considering the amount of crap you regurgitate blue, I thought you'd be a bit more open minded.
    Don't jump in till you've got some facts and stats to form an argument/discussion.
     
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  14. BlueAngel

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    Who says I don't, by the way I'm open minded and my crap are still better than your ''sensible'' words.
     
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    Craps better than sensible. Sure.
    I'm not saying you don't. I know details are posted elsewhere but give the guy a chance before pissing on his bonfire. If after he's explained and you can provide reasonable analysis to the contrary then piss away.
    And yes you are open minded. A little to open in some of your posts but hey, we don't have to read it do we.
     
  16. NickMsi

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    The core of the VDW is an Arithmetic Progression (AP).

    Don't fall asleep yet, it is really simple.

    For our purposes an AP is 3 numbers separated by a constant.


    1-2-3 is an AP with a constant of 1.
    1-3-5 is an AP separated by a constant of 2.
    1-4-7 is an AP with a constant of 3
    1-5-9 is an AP with a constant of 4.


    These are only 16 AP involved.
    1-2-3
    2-3-4
    1-3-5
    3-4-5
    4-5-6
    2-4-6
    5-6-7
    1-4-7
    3-5-7
    6-7-8
    2-5-8
    4-6-8
    7-8-9
    1-5-9
    3-6-9
    5-7-9


    RRR is an example of a 1-2-3 AP

    RBRBR is an example of a 1-3-5 AP

    RBBRBBR is an example of a 1-4-7 AP

    Here is an example of how you would bet using the AP's:

    1 = R 1st spin, No Bet as you need 3 spins to complete an AP
    2 = R 2nd spin, again, No Bet as you need 3 spins to complete an AP

    Now we look at the last 2 spins to see if we can form an AP on the 3rd spin. YES, we use past spins to determine our bet selection.

    Based on the last 2 spins, we see an AP can be completed on the 3rd spin, RRR or a 1-2-3 AP. So bet R.

    3 = B We lost. There is No Bet on the 4th spin as none of the AP's can be completed
    4 = R No Bet as none of the AP's can be completed
    5 = R you now have 2 possibilities to complete an AP. 2-4 are RR so you could complete a 2-4 6 AP and
    4-5 are R so you could complete 4-5-6 AP so your bet would be R.
    6 = R You win.

    Start a new cycle.

    Past Spins are ALWAYS used in this Non-Random system. Past spins are mostly meaningless in a random system, but they are 100% required and necessary in order to complete an AP.


    I have an Excel tracker that shows you how each and every 9 cycles you will ALWAYS get a winner and it shows which of the 16 APs was completed to get the winner. The winner will be either Red or Black or Both. I can't upload it so if anyone wants a copy just drop me an email to [removed] and I will send it to you. Press Function Key F9 in the spreadsheet and play around and see how the VDW and AP's work.


    Welcome to the world of Non Random where the Laws of Math and Statistics can help you avoid the pitfalls of random variance and to develop better and more stable systems.
     
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    Apologising for the spoiler, feel free to continue without me.
     
  18. NickMsi

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    Hi Blue Angel . . I am trying to continue as I posted another thread 10 hours ago but the Mods are holding it up for approval.
     
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    Glad to hear this! (just kidding)
    It's just because you are new here.
     
  20. Michaela

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    Nick,

    If you're GUARANTEED a winner in 9 spins then all you would have to do is double-up over the 9 spins, and there's your holy grail. So obviously there is something missing from your simple analysis. If there are multiple ways to choose corresponding to the different arithmetic progressions then sometimes you may have to choose between R and B, and that must be the source of the uncertainty. Therefore ultimately you're rely on probability, not certainty. In which case, how do you justify your assertion that this is a better way to choose your bets than any "conventional" selection?
     

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