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Roulette Weird Signature

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Sputnik, Oct 13, 2018.

  1. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    There is a known bias player with the name Toby who made some interesting observation in the past.
    This is a quote from an old advantage play forum that no longer exists.
    The conversation is between Laurance Scott and Toby.

    Toby:

    7200 trials

    I checked distances between each trial, from 0 to 36.
    #32 after #0 is distance 1.
    #31 after #31 is distance 0.
    I looked for the more frequent distances after distances.
    I pick the best distances plus their 2 neighbors.
    I built a 13-number-bet for each spin to play(average, from 8 to 20)

    Profit= 17546 units in 7200 trials(+18.70%?)
    What´s the chance it is just random?
    If you need more data just ask.

    Laurance:

    Toby,

    Even accounting for a curve fit STDEV, this result is well over 7 STDEV - there is almost no chance this is random.
    Just be aware that attempting to exploit the signature will most likely alter the signature

    Toby:

    I´ll keep on clocking the wheel for a couple of days to collect 1000 more trials(we now have 9k).
    I was amazed at the results and checked 3 times to confirm the profit.

    I hope it works.

    My Notes:

    This material was posted an open question at Laurance forum that no longer exists.
    But the principal taking advantage of distances to manifest a bias is different than just collecting numbers or using defect spots.

    What strikes me is that the wheel has a sweet or several sweet speeds that is the NORM.
    With ball/rotor/scatter/tilt combinations and if you can pinpoint out does find a biased wheel to emerge.

    Sharptracker asked at another forum topic how to notice and see a bias emerge and here is a clear example.

    BetJack search for working systems and I gave him the advice to backtrack forum topics with most replies and views and I follow my own example to cure my boring time reading nonsense at forum boards with very little food for thought.

    Now I did find a signature method that triggers me to make this post and I will post this signature method and based upon the statement and quote you should know how to chart and tracking for bias patterns using distances.

    Cheers
     
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  2. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Active Member

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    Thanks for posting Sputnik...

    It is not that i'm a no sayer but i think it's dangerous because of the starting point... it will be different way to throw evry dealer change... some of them will let the wheel goes a bit before they throw.

    To know if there is a correlation between distances i think we should know about ball speed ( how many laps ball made), rotor speed, diamond hit, dispersion of the ball. That's the only way to exclude randomness to the maximum.
     
  3. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    The reason is named weird signature is that he use outcome versus outcome distances.
    And I assume he uses clockwise and counters clockwise directions.

    It has not so much to do with visual ballistics where you explore bias.
    There is another mechanism that emerges and creates the bias.

    Things like local attractors and the NORM of the overall performance of a wheel.
    For example, take several different dealers and they will have many things in common when throwing the ball and push rotor.
    Tilt remain in most cases the same if not air pressure effect the dominant drop zone.

    Is a way to explore the random chaos having limits and being bias towards something.
    One bias expert send me to advance Excel Sheet where you not only measuring dealers release number to the outcome, you also have the option measuring outcome to outcome.
    But I have not seen any discussion or explanation behind what kind of mechanism that can be involved in measuring outcome to outcome.
    That is deep knowledge about effects and reasons behind physics that I cannot explain.

    Cheers
     
  4. Sharptracker

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    Ok i understand what you mean... well why not but i don't see a real relation between what are distances and why it would force an outcome to be... but i could be wrong about that...
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    A quick suggestion. Rather than tracking just outcome to outcome, track outcome to point of ball strike. For example last outcome to the number that is below the deflector/canoe when the ball strikes it on the apron. This will remove some of the choas from the data and will require testing fewer spins. Again, the reason is because you're removing some of the randomness of the ball bounce.

    Also measure the consistency of yardage between spins by plotting the change in yardage between spins on a standard deviation graph.

    I know there's some jargon above, so feel free to ask if you have questions.
     
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  6. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    Well one experience bias player once mention that he found one release number reach 5 STDV
    Now if you explore bias using distance and not regular numbers and defect spotting.
    Then a 5 STDV would correlate some distance to become more common than others, simple conclusion.

    Assume we have several different dealers and would measure the distance from when the grab the ball, push the rotor and then release the ball.
    Then this distance between grabbing the ball from the latest outcome to the release of the ball would also have high probability creating the same distance between those two moments and reach high STDV.

    That is the reason some use the latest outcome to become the release and not the number below deflector when the ball is released.
    As you can see there is many reasons and physical parameters that involve a bias to correlate.
    And this is just to put some light on the solution using outcome versus outcome distances.

    Cheers
     
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  7. Sharptracker

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    Why not why not... but you know i have seen randomness everywhere that i wouldn't trust so much actual & post data...

    Acording to me, outcome are not so random, them are due to many parameters that we cannot list them all. Tthose parameters make conditions of actual session... we can actually know much more if we're observing live those parameters connected to outcome but the work is huge.
     
  8. Sputnik

    Sputnik Member Founding Member

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    Important to understand we talk about Bias and not VB.
    And play another method when you collect data.

    Cheers
     
  9. Sharptracker

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    Sure, i was talking about bias. For example, sometimes a bias number is "sleeping", it is because actual conditions are playing against that number. You were talking about sweet speed, well some speed will help a number to come out.

    If you can identify the conditions i think it is much better than deduce something from data where randomness is.
     
  10. BETJACK

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    Very interesting topic

    I'm learning so many things

    Much obliged!

    :)
     
  11. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    You're right when you say that some conditions will negate a biased number. Much of the time it's randomness, but when you know why a number is biased and you can determine the best conditions, that's huge. That's an art.
     
  12. BETJACK

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    Hello
    I have a Question

    #32 after #0 is distance 1.
    #31 after #31 is distance 0.
    #26 after #0 is distance =?????
     
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    I have a Question
    I dont understand this
    starts betting after 8 spin to 20 spin with 13 numbers
    or
    bet on every number
    with bet min 8 max 20 average 13 numbers

    ???
     
  14. Sharptracker

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    36 pockets, actually what ever the direction of the ball or rotor, you should count alwaysclockwise, this way you don't need to check about the direction first to know if it's ACW or CW...
     
  15. BETJACK

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    this topic
    Weird Signature in www.gamblingforums.com

    I did a test
    with RNG in excell

    This's what I found
    Since no wheel I measured the distance from the fallen number to the next one.
    in two variants
    ============================
    first variant
    the first "5" falls and after it falls "10" the distance is 5
    falls first "5" and after it falls "4" the distance is 36

    conclusion
    the distances are in balance
    just as with the numbers on average
    12 distances do not go = 0
    12 distances go once = 1
    12 distances out more than once a = 2+
    ============================
    second variant
    the first "5" falls and after it falls "6" the distance is 1
    falls first "5" and after it falls "4" the distance is 1

    conclusion
    the distances are
    Stack up to 0 (falls as Average Cycles)
    and the rest are piling up on the small numbers
    because it counts 1 on the left and 1 on the right
     
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