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Roulette What information would you like to see on a roulette table or a billboard / app

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by Laci272, Jan 7, 2020.

  1. Laci272

    Laci272 New Member

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    Hi everyone,
    I'm working for a company that makes roulette terminals and we want to update our software.
    I'd like to know directly from the most hardcore players (YOU) :) what would you like to see on a roulette table, billboard or billboard app.

    I'm thinking mainly about what information would you like to see and how would you like that info to be presented.

    We are remaking our billboards and terminals and are working on a new app that can show statistics from all casinos that use our terminals and wheels.

    Help us make the best roulette terminals for you to play on.

    Billboard:
    We are thinking of NOT showing the standard wheel with hot and cold numbers, but rather a table. It's easier for us to read, but we are software developers, not hardcore roulette players, so things that we think would help, are not necessarily interesting to you as a player.

    App:
    It will show the last 1000 winning numbers, with all the regular stats. But how would you like that list to be organized? Columns for colors, rows, just a list that you could email yourself as a text file...

    Terminal:
    Any suggestions are welcome.
     
  2. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    newChart2.png

    This is an example of real time telemetry.

    I use it to play the outside sections of the spin results.

    I can look down and see all the outside bets location results real fast.

    Some people are very good at seeing things change and have strategies to exploit changes when they occur.

    Are you really sure that you want something like this?
     
  3. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Here is an example of 22 bets all placed on red:

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     W | B  R | O  E | L  H | 0  6 | P | S |  --  SN  --  SP 
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  01  --  27 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  02  --  23 ( $ 180 ) Red
     X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  03  --  01 ( $ 270 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    |    X |   |   |  --  04  --  16 ( $ 360 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  05  --  10 ( $ 270 ) Red
     X |    X |    X |    X |    X | X | X |  --  06  --  32 ( $ 360 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X |    X | X | X |  --  07  --  31 ( $ 270 ) Red
       | X    |    X |    X |    X |   | X |  --  08  --  20 ( $ 180 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X | X |   |  --  09  --  17 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  10  --  14 ( $ 180 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  11  --  11 ( $ 90 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X | X | X |  --  12  --  11 ( $ 0 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  13  --  14 ( $ 90 ) Red
       | X    | X    | X    |    X |   | X |  --  14  --  15 ( $ 0 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  15  --  23 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X | X    | X    | X    | X |   |  --  16  --  03 ( $ 180 ) Red
       | X    |    X | X    | X    |   | X |  --  17  --  10 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X |    X | X    | X    |   |   |  --  18  --  14 ( $ 180 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  19  --  29 ( $ 90 ) Red
       | X    | X    |    X | X    |   |   |  --  20  --  29 ( $ 0 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X | X |  --  21  --  23 ( $ 90 ) Red
     X |    X | X    |    X | X    | X |   |  --  22  --  27 ( $ 180 ) Red
    
     
  4. Laci272

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    I don't really understand the picture you sent. If you could better explain it to me, please.

    Also, if you are using a software already, and just want to import the winning numbers from a wheel into that software, to me, it makes more sense to just give the numbers as a list. You would have an app, select the casino, the wheel, and send the last 1000 numbers by email to your laptop....

    OK... so this shows all the bets on RED.. I still don't understand the graph, but why is it important to you to see the bets, rather than the winning numbers? The bets have no say in what the winning number will be....
     
  5. Laci272

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    OK, I'm starting to understand!

    I have a few questions:
    Why would you only want to see the reds?
    why do you want to see the bets? I assume those are the total bets on the table for all red chips?
     
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  6. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    You can learn all about it at the thread here called Reading Randomness in the Roulette section. I have created practice software that also includes graphs of betting result on a single click that lets you go back and forth.

    graph22new.png
     
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    OK, really nice. I see that you have "Paste list" button there. Maybe our app would just allow players to download that list, than import it into your software for further analysis. ?
     

  8. Sharptracker

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    In order to take from people more money, because billboards is the best investissement to fool people ( we have many example in the forum) i would suggest you to show statistic about the neighbours. Those stupid sheeps instead to bet on the hot number will bet on the hot neighbour, means they'll spend more money and that could be a good point to present to a casino as something to increase the total bet ammount.

    Ps good luck if you're trying to understand Gizmo the super guesser!
     
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  9. Laci272

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    I understand that your software also generated random numbers, but as each wheel is different (micron differences in manufacturing), I don't think that your random generated list would compare to the actual wheel in the casino... or am I wrong?
     
  10. Laci272

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    Thanks for the suggestion. I'm not trying to make a selling points for the casinos. I believe that the software should be the best one for the players. If the players demand our terminals, the casinos will cash out the money for them:)
     
  11. Laci272

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    We are also thinking of calculating somehow our best guess for the next number, from the hot and cold list... like the hottest number on the cold list.. Would that be something? Is that something our competitors already do and I'm unaware of? How would you name such a number (actually top 3 numbers)... ?
     
  12. gizmotron

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    I suggest that you learn what it means to read randomness. It does not mean that you see trends and patterns and that these figure formations predict future events. That is fallacy. Many people are stuck on gambler's fallacy. You, as a software telemetry provider, are counting on people that are stuck on fallacies like this.

    Reading Randomness is about reading the effectiveness of your bet selections in combination with using patterns or trends that go in and out of phases of appearing to be working at times and not working at other times. When trends and patterns are working in your favor they appear to be predicting the future. But they are not. It is just a coincidence that they appear to be working for a time. These times of effectiveness are typical in three type of phases. One phase is that they look like they are winning in a streak. One other phase is that they appear to be losing in a streak. The last typical phase is that they don't dominate either of the other two phases already mentioned.

    You don't really want to arm your players with this knowledge. But I thought you might be interested in the fact that there are people here that want this knowledge and skill. I play the changes that I mentioned above. I use charts like this in order to see the effectiveness phases. I have a strategy that deals with these changes and have shared it in the Reading Randomness thread. I hope that helps in your understanding.
     
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    Well if it is a product that you want to sell to the sheeps then you must show things for them to build their foolish theory on all possible different types of bets:

    Like what's the record of Even chance of the pattern they recorded (in a row)
    What's the record of dozen/columns ( in a row)
    What the hottest/coldest sector, let them chose sector from 3 to 7 or 9 sector pockets
    What's the sector that mostly appeared after the the last winner according to the pattern

    etc etc
     
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    This should tell you that not all people can read and comprehend explanations. Some people here are here just to start arguments. That is their own sophisticated form of cynicism.

    This person has no idea what a win streak is. I don't think he actually goes to a casino to play. He even argues that you can't know if you are in a win streak or a losing streak. So he refers to players as sheep. That's OK with me. I'm glad that he is so smart.
     
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    You might like feeding people gambler's fallacy stats. My experience is that long term stats that suggest a magical correction like "return to mean" expectations are for suckers. You really don't want constructive suggestions. I'm glad you are following sheeptracker. He's your boy. He will give you all the right information to exploit the dummies.
     
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    My software is designed to practice all the concepts of Reading Randomness, a skill that comes from understanding it and practicing it. You then take that skill into a live casino and fill out the charts on index cards. You use the strategy to beat the casino. You beat the casino by waiting until you are in a win streak. Then you attack the casino while it remains to be in a win streak.

    The software teaches you to get good at seeing trends or patterns going into the phase of a win streak. It is never a tool to discover prediction or expectation.
     
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    Bro, be honnest, he's asking for new ideas to make new billboard bet suggestion; actually it is in order to optimized the current billboard for sheeps to build their theory... Now look at your crazy complicated system that doesn't work anyway, it only brought one sheep that gave up after he saw that he could make better with a coin flip...
     
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  18. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Boy are you such a dope. There were three others that did not rush it and were successful. But that's OK too. You are the guru for the idiots.

    What the heck is wrong with providing telemetry for all the outside bets instead of just the black or red? My first chart here does that.
     
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    Let me guess... Your dog, your cat and your hamster...
     
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    I'm glad you enamored with barnyard animals. Stay stupid. You are the best at it.
     

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