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Baccarat What is VDW?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by eugene, Aug 19, 2019.

  1. eugene

    eugene Well-Known Member

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    Somebody asked what VDW was on the other thread. Actually VDW is the name of a person ''Van Der Waerden''. He was a guy who invented a theorem in the branch of mathematics called ''Ramsay theory'' which was named after the British mathematician Frank P. Ramsey. It basically studies conditions in which order must appear and therefore I suppose is why some people like to label it as non-random.

    So here is something called an Arithmetic Progression:

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    Quite a lot of tests were done on this to see if it could reduce the variance. From what I saw from other well respected members of various forums, it did indeed reduce variance quite significantly in many cases. I conducted my own tests with my Baccarat software and used the G3M1 in conjunction with the arithmetic progression and my results and statistics were much better than what Koetsch got in his book.

    There are many different ways that you can adopt a non-random approach to both Baccarat and Roulette. There is a very interesting thread regarding all this written by a member called Pryanka who posted on the Rouletteforum cc website. The title of the thread is called 'Random thoughts. You can find it in the 'system players only' section.
     
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  2. eugene

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    So for anybody who can follow this and wants to know how I combine AP with G3M1...

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  3. RouletteGhost

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    I thought priyanka was a fraud

    I’m not saying a good method can’t come from it but that poster in particular something was off

    There was a poster on bet selection forum using VDW results seemed good
     
  4. eugene

    eugene Well-Known Member

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    RouletteGhost, I am not telling tales but you were in that chatroom with the game simulator along with Pryanka, TurboGenius, Maestro and myself and Pryanka went out of his/her way to explain a few things to you trying to help you.

    Regarding the fraud bit, Pryanka was accused of manipulating his/her results on the game simulator. Now I don't know if that's true or not because despite the accusations, nobody ever said how Pryanka supposedly did it. Pryanka did go on to show real records from an online Casino showing positive results. What is indisputable is the fact that the information is genuine and anyone can test it for themselves if they understand it and are interested.

    Not particularly having a go at you but I don't understand your motive when you obviously have no real evidence if Pryanka is a fraud or not. The final word rests in whether the non-random concepts work or not. I know the answer to that one! ;)
     
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    There still is.

    I
     
  6. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Without wishing to comment on that, as I'm in the dark what has gone on elswwhere. priyanka was a member of my private Baccarat forum few years back. He/she was a valuable contributor and board member.

    Unfortunately I suffered the same fate as BaccaratLabs and lost all the data.
     
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    I have no motive

    I stated that I think there may be something there using VDW.

    I’m also stating there was something off with priyanka
     

  8. RouletteGhost

    RouletteGhost Well-Known Member

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    Forget what I said about priyanka

    It’s of no importance

    I am Interested in reading further into VDW so I’ll leave it at that
     
  9. eugene

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    Fair enough RG, no real harm done. In my eyes at least, Pryanka is one of the very few contributors on gambling forums over the last 15 years who didn't just present a load of rubbish and tie it up in fancy ribbons looking for a bit of kudos from the gullible. He/she certainly has my respect.
     
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  10. Terry Plumb

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    I was a fan of VDW because it was fitting my style of play. I don't like to bet every hand. I could not win consistently using it. I have tried other strategies using VDW with W/L Registry and applied it toward the VDW- still the outcome was less than satisfied for me. The hardest part was the mutual bets within the 9 APs!! So you might just guess your bets as well.

    If anyone has success with it, I wish him or her well.

    The main question is what is more important, MM or bet Selection? My answer is both with strick discipline as well as other factors. You must test your strategies at the tables. I found that winning on computer testing with not placing real money is not sufficient enough to claim one strategy works.

    The lists of many systems that I used were countless. I tried them and they all failed. In life, we are not supposed to regret a thing. I did though. I paid for one system for $2500 and the result was a big disappointment.

    Shout out to Egalite for his strategies sharing with us. I know they are from the table experiences.

    Cheers!!
     
  11. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    In my book Money Management, because all bet selections are still 50-50 outcomes.

    You're Welcome buddy...
     
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  12. eugene

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    JK made an astute observation regarding the 2's.

    Take a look!

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    That's 4 losses before you are 'guaranteed' a win on the 9th spin should you guess right!
    Those pesky 2's right? I always used to say that they have a tendency to creep up on you!

    However, not everything is Black or White and apparently unbeknown to Gizmotron, you can actually have more than one stream in the game of Baccarat as the above illustrates. Things tend to ebb and flow in Baccarat and if not, then maybe you need to find a way to 'brute force' them so you can bet to give you the best chance of success.
     
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  13. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    I did look at it at the time, as I like mechanical maths based options. Anything that loses to 25% of all results over time is a complete non-starter for me.

    A bit off topic but on the same theme, running Equilibrium vs Unbalanced with columns or groups of 4's is a total disaster, not only losing to 2's but also Chops, a complete piece of shit, which is being sold and promoted on youtube by somebody called Dr Tom, jesus wept and people pay for this shit.
     
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    I will give you a laugh about Dr Tom! A guy who I regularly kept in touch with says to me that there is a syndicate going to buy the Dr Tom system. So anyway, they have around 8 or 9 in the group and were looking for 10. The system was around a grand and so my share would be £100. I wasn't all that interested to be honest and so google it before I was going to commit myself to anything. Anyway, it turns out the whole system is already on one of the forums. So I email the guy back and tell him this and also mention that the guy who uploaded it reviewed it and said it didn't work.

    Did that stop them sending away for it? Did it f**k! It's almost like they thought Dr Tom would magically transmit the winning system to their brains through some kind of telepathy and they wouldn't have to do any work for it.
     
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  15. Junket King

    Junket King Well-Known Member Compulsive Liar

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    Unbelievable isn't it, also the length scammers go to to harvest new ideas. There will always exist stupid people.

    So what was the system :D:D:D:D
     
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  16. eugene

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    LMAO! It's on Glenda's forum. If it ever comes back, I will share a link. It's one of those complicated ones though. A bit like all of Ellis's systems combined!
     
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    Fuck



    100u in a single shoe!!
     
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    Yes, you can take multiple predetermined templates and compare them to the current flow. That's really all that I am doing with multiple characteristics. I see a micro streak of doubles oscillating on both sides. I play to get one net win from sequences like this. To do that I virtual bet until I see the pattern. I get that one win and then go back to virtual bets because I have no idea if the pattern will continue.

    Now if there was a swarm of doubles, something that can't be duplicated with a single black or white single data stream, like doubles oscillating in the other data feeds, like a super swarm, then I would go for the monster streak effect. I have trained myself to see my personal templates, characteristics. But I am totally sure that anyone can make up their own templates based on anything they want. This is about recognition. When I say I guess what is meant by that is recognition of a template type.
     
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    so he can win $100 in a shoe and say $1 is a unit

    magic
     
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  20. eugene

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    LoL...

    There would be queues miles long waiting to get on the Baccarat tables.
     
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