Craps Which 3rd Party is most responsible for Casino heat ??

Link to referenced Mad Professor fiction http://www.dicesetter.com/mp/dmad86improve.htm

 

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I haven't visited the thread since I posted those couple of points. It was meant for tabletop who needs to wipe clean the myth that GTC spread through the years. But of the above, no one has had the casino influence of our famous gaming author and the ability to hurt our game and bring heat to the table. There is a difference in credibility between AP'ers and casino personnel when it comes to Scoblete, he simply sells more than Wong, Schlesinger, Revere, The Bishop et al. So when he talks millions, gets on TV, and posts in Casino Times and other publications, the resulting publicity is a minus for all of us. Heavy and MP and Cris are no match for the damage, the love of money incarnate, has foisted upon us!

 

None of the above. It's the shooter. First of all when people say they received "heat" it usually falls into 3 categories. Taking way to long to set the dice, not hitting the back wall, and maybe sweat joints who by the very name sweat the money, any money.Taking to long to set the dice slows the game down, irritates the dealers (really would you want to be a dealer?), and it may also suggest you may have discovered the holy grail of dice sets. If you should miss hitting the backwall I found by making some sort of halfhearted apologize before they can tell you what you already know, sort of nutralizies their attack, setting the dice under 4 seconds just takes practice, and stay away from sweat joint. If one was going to buy a book from any of the above authors, or any author, read them throughly and practice for more than a day before taking your newly learned knowledge to the casino. Someone on another blog/message board a long time ago once wrote, "Craps is a thinking mama game". Exactly!

 

Pressit ... you may be missing the point of the Poll - it refers to 3rd Party influence on casino heat

I am friends with several dealers in Las Vegas ... one is the former Pit Boss at Rampart that told me that the Paris/Bally's shared Casino Risk Management (Security) department knew exactly when GTC or Heavy's class were in town (Hint - casino security do read these public boards)

One day I walked over to the Rampart pit and asked the 10-year plus dealer at Paris that I had just played over at Paris and was getting so much heat and rudeness from the crew - much more than usual .... the Rampart Pit Boss then explained to me that Paris/Bally's Casino Risk Management department sent out an official Memo to all craps dealers that mentioned that the GTC dice school was in town that week and reminded dealers and Pit crew to explain to every tosser that positioned at SL1 and 2 and SR1 and 2 to "hit the back wall" on the 2nd toss and throughout their toss

The Rampart Pit Boss went on to explain that most seasoned dealers like himself just ignored the Memo, but that all the younger dealers and especially all the female dealers would take the Memo to heart and enforce it very strictly even if the tosser was hitting the back wall AND especially if the Pit Supervisor or any other Suit was near their table

... that is 3rd Party influence

 

Harley,

I do that a times, miss the point. So I'll have to go with Frank, but I don't believe Frank was household word unti Sharpshooter joined their ranks. That was not meant to take anything away from Frank, Dom, the Captian (everyone loves the image of the Captain), or GTC.

 

Although there is a lot of blame to go around including books, videos, TV spots, seminars, classes, and the internet.

Rubbing the casino’s nose in “we can beat you” did not help the Dice Setters journey.

I remember going to a seminar at Sunset Station Casino in Las Vegas touting Dice Setting …. this misconception of the casino’s indifference was pushing the envelope.

I remember seeing a TV special regarding Dice Setting in beating the casinos on the History Channel … touting good expectations.

All this media attention … books, videos, TV spots, the internet, and exaggerated expectations made the casinos become gullible, and they defended their territory by making life difficult for Dice Setters.

Today casino paranoia has died down, although there are still some sweat joints …. that will do anything to keep players from becoming a Winner.

And YES, the blame could even be pointed toward us, we buy the books, videos, take classes, and gadgets to improve our game... because without the support … Dice Setting is a thing of the past.

However, in my opinion Frank Scoblete was more in the main stream of the media that hyped the benefits of Dice Setting, and therefore gave the most information to the casinos.

I’ve seen him shoot several times and like the rest of us shooters … I believe he had faith in Dice Setting, unfortunately his exposure made the casinos aware of the possible player potential.

What many of us and the casinos NOW realize … dice setting is not a perfect world.

 

Jerry Patterson. Seems like his name would be somewhere in this mix. If you have FS, Heavy and Sharpshooter, you have to include JP. Now as far as MP is concerned, he is small potatoes compared to the above. MP is just not in their league, MP has only 1 book, doesn't put on seminars, doesn't produce DVDs, a very stealth like person. Obviously he does exist, just not under that monicker and that persona has shown no interest in making himself known. So I'm not so sure how much MP has contributed to the "casino heat" phenomenon.

 

Mad Professor makes a lot of casino bosses very nervous. He claims to have a high SRR, something like 28, he makes claims about big wins his high limits play and incredible shooting powers. He post frequently his 'at the tables with mad professor' in his forum http://diceinstitute.mxf.yuku.com/topic/3658872/At-the-Tables-With-the-Mad-Professor that is open to the public an indexed by Google.

If I was a casino boss, and have read what MP writes, I would be like: NO Dice setting, NO lobbing the dice, and MUST hit the backwall HARD!!!!

However, is what MP write fiction? Nobody has meet this guy and nobody has seen him play. If a guy is that good, you think that someone would have spotted his play and reported it on some forum.

 

Jerry Patterson would have been another good option, but in my opinion - Jerry Patterson was not shy about telling the truth as evidence and technology advanced. Jerry Patterson was the 1st to publish:

1. The benefits of off-axis tossing vs. on-axis and

2. That casinos were using biased dice in Live play.

Whereas, all of the above options, Frank Scoblete, Steve "Heavy" Haltom,
Mad Professor and Sharpshooter Christopher K. Pawlicki still support On-Axis theories despite the overwhelming evidence.

Also, all of the above options, especially Frank Scoblete, Steve "Heavy" Haltom and Mad Professor support the Casinos through their daily publishing and teachings and not the Dice Community on the issue of unbalanced dice being used in Live Casinos, despite the evidence ....

Jerry Patterson never supported the Casino's position on anything.

 

Harley

JP at one time or another had the following in his stable: PARR, then Walt Diem's Dice Magic, Dr.Z, Little Joe, Field of Craps, and I know I'm probably missing a few other. And that was just covering craps. JP was a marketing genius.

 

Yeah, Right! A SRR of 28.LOL In 30 years no one has ever seen MP in a Casino. There's not that much "Hiding" in the whole entire World. I infrequently visit the Dice Institute website, & all I hear is: Good Shooting MP! Way to go MP! MP you sure hit a Plethora of 10's & 4's That hand, etc. I mean REALLY...... Do you think this Guy could POSSIBLY Shoot THAT good & No one in 30 Years has EVER seen him shoot? Smells like the Implications of "FRAUD" written all over it. You have these guys that say silly shit like: MP has helped my shooting Tremendously. NO he Hasn't! If you "Tweek" your shot, Grip, Landing Zones, etc, You'll discover the SAME things that MP Suggests. It's called "Taking Initiative", or in a more simpler Explanation....... Experimentation. Some of this DI'ng shit is just "Common Sense". Why give MP or anyone else credit for "The Obvious". Superrick always told me: LOOK, TableTop.... If something is not going your way(Bad Results) CHANGE SOMETHING! Now, what that SOMETHING is, could be a Number of Different Things. Unfavorable Landing Zone, Bad grip, too much spin, Not enough spin, etc. It's YOUR job to trouble Shoot the Problem. That's what Skilled shooter's do. They "Tweek" things UNTIL they find the "RIGHT Mixture". Okay, you Tweek, Tweek, & Tweek. Still getting Horrible Results? Ok, Quit & try it again Later. Common sense, Logic, TRUMPS Dice influencing EVERY day of the week. The Best DI's are NOT Necessarily the Best Tossers, But I'd be Damned if their NOT the "Smartest" Tossers. ALWAYS remaining Practical, while ALSO Thinking "Outside The Box". I recall a Session wherein Harley stated that EVERY toss he Attempted was a Bankroll Depleting Loser. Harley stated that the Random Rollers were Tossing 100 Miles an Hour Shots(Destroying the Pyramids), but Yet Tossing some Monster Hands. Guess What? Harley Ended up Tossing 165 miles per Hour Tosses, Out-Duplicating the Random Rollers Hands & taking home the Cash. I think superrick calls the shot "The Slammer". LOL. Man....... These Guys Don't Miss NOTHING! The Novice shooter would have licked his wounds & headed for the Cashier's . Harley stayed & Found a way to win. I don't give a shit about whose "Camp" is better. I don't want to Socialize or be a "Good Old Boy" Hanging out with the "Dice Gurus". I just want the motherFriggin Money. Don't care about "Pretty" Tosses, Outstandingly High SRR's, or Monster Hand. YOU take the accolades & I'll Take the Cash EVERY day of the Week. Problem with most DI's is they have The "Big Dick" Syndrome. Always wanting the Limelight. Give me Just HALF a chance & I'll Quietly Tip Toe In , & "Pick Your Pockets"(The Casino's Pockets,..... That Is! )

 

Since Heavy is promoting the fictional writings of Mad Professor on his website, the Attorney General's office should require Heavy to post this Consumer Warning on all of MP's posts:

 

Frank Scoblete and Dominator teaches a form of On-Axis dice Control ... LoL ... Change the settings on the YouTube toolbar to Speed of 0.25 (after you click Play) and notice that the dice do NOT stay on axis and he has very little "control" of the dice (you may have to copy YouTube link into a separate tab on your browser).... great example at 0:23 in the following YouTube video

 

Another Key area to put your screen in Slo-motion to show that there is no "control" is at Minutes:

16:50 thru 17:23

24:05 thru 25:09

If you actually stop your video at 25:09, you will notice that the dice show a Hard 4, but are on totally different Axis

............... On top

Facing the camera

Facing the Tosser

We are not sure what set Dominator started with (most common used is hardways, 3V and 2V), but no GTC set would have wanted the All 7s showing on the sides if they would have been controlled on-axis without flipping and spinning all which ways - this can be seen not only in flight but also as the dice hit the surface and back wall

 

An opinion from Howard Rock n' Roller as posted on Heavy's board:

Howard rock n roller
Post subject: Re: Travels with Howard rock n roller
Posted: Sat Apr 25, 2015 9:04 pm

Hi House of Orange,

My favorite tables are xxxx. I remember a few years ago when all xxx were like this. Then, books, TV shows, and videos appeared on the scene on how to beat the casinos with a controlled toss.
Soon, xxx started appearing.

So, I still like the old fashioned xxx.

 

I am quite surprised that we did not see Harley's name on the list as an individual who causes casino heat in Las Vegas. His obsessive behavior over biased dice, to the point of complaining to the gaming commission about it (and being scoffed at by them) has put the casinos on guard against the biased dice community. Dealer's ears perk up whenever someone mentions biased dice at the table. Pit people become infuriated. Players are told the casino no longer wants their business. If I ran a casino any talk of crooked dice would be met swiftly with security, a no trespassing letter and an escort to the exit.

 

Missing on that list of names is also Stanford Wong. His book, "Wong on Dice", and publication of Mad Professor's book stirred up many a true AP to try the game after a ton of practice. Mixed results. Like telling a bunch of 5th graders how much money they could make playing baseball. Only the talented and dedicated. But Scoblete has gone all out to rape the public with how many books, tv shows, and overpriced seminars. It's not even close. He is still trying. He is also the king of sock puppets, and fictional book reviews, so buyer beware!