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Baccarat Who likes to win?

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by Simplebetwins, Apr 20, 2022.

  1. Simplebetwins

    Simplebetwins Member

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    Twoup, thank you for your message.

    The first few cycles are critical, thats why you start small with what you feel comfortable and run it up sir!
    Its simple and thats how martingale makes you money.

    Hope you will sir give it a try, and i hope you will cash out dimes from months or more of straight winning everyday.

    One more thing that i want to mention here is, i dont play always random number patterns, sometimes i open table and look for example at who is dominating at that moment and just bet that side for 3 times, IF impossible happens and i miss, i jump to other side on 4th bet.

    Have a grate day and best of luck at tables for you sir.
     
  2. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Baccarat is one of the easiest games to play.

    Knowing when to place the first bet and when to end the series.


    Simple as that .All under the control of the individual player.
     
  3. Zhang Wei

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    Martingale is the first MM I tried. Both on every hand approaches and hit-and-run approaches.
    Neither worked out for me. I have given up on Martingale and Fibonacci and everything else that would require a bet higher than 10 units.

    Good luck to your endeavors.
     
  4. TwoUp

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    No, I prefer positive progressions for compounding returns. You can use a blended approach, something like the Tier et Tout progression.

    A coup start with 9 units, always betting 1/3 so bet 3u, if it wins you now have 12 units, if it losses, bet the remaining 6u, if that wins you now have 12 units. If you lose both bets, try again.

    Using the 12 units bet 1/3 again, so 4u, if it loses bet 8u. If you win either bet you now have 16u.

    Using the 16 units bet 1/3 again, so 5u, if it loses bet 10u. If you win either bet you now have 21u.

    Using the 21 units bet 1/3 again, so 7u, if it loses bet 14u. If you win either bet you now have 28u.

    Using the 28 units bet 1/3 again, so 9u, if it loses bet 18u. If you win either bet you now have 37u.

    Using the 37 units bet 1/3 again, so 12u, if it loses bet 24u. If you win either bet you now have 49u.

    Using the 49 units bet 1/3 again, so 15u, if it loses bet 30u. If you win either bet you now have 54u. Note you retain 4u to start over if both bets lose.

    Using the 64 units bet 1/3 again, so 20u, if it loses bet 40u. If you win either bet you now have 84u. Note you retain 4u to start over if both bets lose.

    Using the 84 units bet 1/3 again, so 25u, if it loses bet 50u. If you win either bet you now have 109u. Note you retain 9u to start over for free if both bets lose at this level.

    From here you can just keep betting 25u/50u and see how far you can go.

    The method escalates returns quickly providing you can avoid 2 back to back losses.

    Obviously you will need to cover banker commision, but this also works with any even chance bet like roulette red/black, even/odd, hi/lo, or craps passline/dont-pass.

    You can also stretch out each tier, aiming to survive with just a hit rate of 1 in 3 and balance profit taking with leveling up. You have to lose 3 times in a row to be knocked out.

    Here is a stretched Tier et Tout progression, starting with 8 units keep advancing and see where you chicken out and decide to take profit.

    Screenshot_20220514-175056_Drive.jpg
     
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  5. Punkcity

    Punkcity Well-Known Member

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    This is a “tongue in cheek” reply

    “so using this why haven’t you compounded up to owning the casinoverse by now?”

    Seriously

    Thanks for the post I will look into that as a possible betting method application to add to my selection criteria. It certainly jags the profit ratio higher in the 3-7 wiar runs that are on offer in baccarat.
    Thanks.
     
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  6. Garfield

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    Actually, I also play like this if I'm ahead.... But not specific like mentioned.... I might devide into 40-60, 50-50, 75-25 or even all if I'm confident.....

    The idea is why afraid to bet more if you're winning... It's either you back to start or reach your goals faster....

    That's why I find it important to have a goals/target... If not you'll be over confident and might lose all the winnings plus your br...
     
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  7. Nathan Detroit

    Nathan Detroit Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    We are still voting on it if we like to win .
     

  8. TwoUp

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    Thomas Garcia in 1860 broke the bank a few times using this method at the Homburg casino, his first time he made 250k francs, and then returns weeks later and he went on to break the bank 5 times with a total win of 1.75 million francs.

    Eventually some time later his luck ran out and he was never seen again. But it least it can work...
     
  9. Sputnik

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    I have tried something similar where you build and add winning units to the current staking plan (up as you go).
    But not to peak or reach the table limit, I prefer to regress and then when operating with casino money Puch & Pull to reach the table limit.

    For example, staking 113 when winning one unit add to the staking plan 123 and after one more unit 124 and after one more unit regress by half.
    That is +3 units and 6 units when we split them by half.
    Considering you staking 0,5 - 0,5 - 1,5 and after one win 0,5 - 1,0 - 1,5 and after one win 0,5 - 1,0 - 2,0 and after one more win we reach plus 2 whole units.
    Total 8 units.

    Now we can stake 224 without risking our own money and can follow your example above risk-free.
    Think about it - three winning bets and after that, you are risk-free.

    My opinion.

    Cheers
     
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  10. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Correction +8 half units and +5 whole units - that is why I did not solve the puzzle of how to proceed.

    Cheers
     
  11. TwoUp

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    Here is an adjusted table starting with just 3 units using 112. I probably prefer the first table as it escalates faster.

    Screenshot_20220515-102403_Drive.jpg

    With either of these progressions you can take profit along the way so you recover your starting wager.

    With my first table the probability of a tier failure (based on coin flip 50/50) is 1/2 × 1/2 × 1/2 = 1/8 = 12.5% whilst the chance of success is 87.5%.

    We can succeed 15 times and it's still 13.5% probability of success vs 12.5% losing 3 times in a row at a tier.

    Now not every success will take us to the next level, but using my first table (better for escalation) will average a final balance of up to 30-60 units in 15 wins for 8 risked. If your bet selection captures wins on the first two bets the results will be closer to 60u.
     
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  12. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    Andrew - I think I find one error - if true can you make a new chart - 112 then add one unit 113 and then add one unit 123 -
    But with our example, you jump from 112 to 123 but the gain is only one unit and the add is two units.
    Or is it me not thinking clearly.

    Cheers
     
  13. TwoUp

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    Yes you could definitely do it that way. The pattern I have used is to get 2u first before increasing bets 2&3.
     
  14. Sputnik

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    Andrew, I like this very much, considering testing this one with real money.
    I remember an old selection many years ago staking 122 that would work pretty well with this approach.
    Is a method to bet three attempts or using advanced gap methodology.

    The three attempt variants - W LLW LW LW LW LW LW W LW W LW W W W LLL
    Gap variant - LW W W W W W LW W LW W W LW W LW LL
     

  15. Nathan Detroit

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    Winning at all costs is the sign of a degenerate gambler .
     
  16. Simplebetwins

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    Nathan, i have a feeling that you lost your bankroll again.... :joyful:

    Hope you will win someday man so you can be more positive.
     
  17. TwoUp

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    Yes agree.

    Winning at a cost that does not exceed the future compounded value less your original stake is not however. :happy:
     
  18. TwoUp

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    Definitely the interplay of bet selection with the probability of winning a tier is important.

    If you have a W/L registry that tends to clumps wins or where 3 consecutive losses is a rarer occurance then it will be an excellent way to increase profits.

    You can also use this ladder approach as a layer above an entirely different bet method where each of the 3 bets in a tier is a mini game/coup in its own right with a target of doubling the allocated wager before losing it.
     
  19. Sputnik

    Sputnik Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I find that Gap Methodology works fine using this kind of strategy.
    Still, I argue to regress and Up & Pull.

    I will explain later how I use Gaps ... and how I got the LW-Registry above.

    Cheers
     
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