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Roulette Why Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone is correct, almost.

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by gizmotron, Apr 12, 2018.

  1. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    My edge is that nobody, including me, can know if the session is going to be easy or hard before it happens. I can get a three net win session in three spins. Odds are that I will get two out of three in three spins. I've had sessions where I keep getting two net wins and then it all gets lost on the try for the third net win. But that is what makes this quick form of session gambling so interesting. You don't know what you will get until you get into it. I'm thinking of doubling the size of my bankroll and each bet and just going for two net wins. In that way just two net wins are good enough. That's comes to $10 chips, $240 per bet, and $120 per net win. So a session would pay off at $240.

    You go to the casino, pre-check tables for any kind of existing trend characteristic, and you jump in for the quick winning session. Yes, it's hit and run. But it is based on existing trends. It's not based on blind meaningless guesses. For instance I would not bet for a double in series in one of the dozens groups if all that group was doing at the present time was spitting out singles. To lose that way the trend must end right at that next spin moment. I don't speculate on the endings of trends. I only speculate on catching a wing dinger of a monster trend. There are no such things as trends that end for 30 spins in a row. Only the super trends go on and on. I hope you guys with the hot numbers are listening. I hunt the killer diller trends. Yes, I grind away with the little short hit and run method. But If I have a long run trend going, and I have a way to pull back after the three net wins and just check the trend before leaving the table. Then I'll go for it full in.

    I'm hunting for any global effect that lasts from 30 to 150 spins. I'm looking for sleepers that go on for 15 to 30 spins. I'm looking for swarms of singles that go on for 15 to 30 spins. Once you are prepared to kill when you see this stuff happen in front of you then you will see why I'm not all that jazzed up about single numbers. The equivalent would be 4 of the same number in a row or in 6 or 7 spins. Now you can wait for weeks to get that streak. Well I get hot streaks in the double dozens almost every time I play a long session of 200 or more spins. So I say to you guys, "to each his own."
     
  2. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Active Member

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    The way you describe means that you play few spins. I don't know if you made the total of the spins you played and the profit... that would be useful to situate you... But the Gauss curve anyway says that you can be on the good side, and if it's the case then it's all good for you!
     
  3. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Sharp,

    Why on earth would you think that I only play a few spins. I play for as many spins as I possibly can. On some of the wheels we have played hundreds of thousands of spins. When the player has the edge, the longer he plays the more likely he is to overcome variance and exploit the edge he has over the casino.

    I suspect you're confusing questionably weak biased wheels with strong ones.
    Weak wheels require 50 to 100k spins of tracking. Very strong wheels only a few thousand or so. Biased wheel players don't usually track 10k spins on a strong biased wheel to determine if the wheel is biased, but rather to find as many biased number on the wheel to play as possible. Within a couple thousand spins, you will usually have a good idea that a couple of numbers are worth betting, but you ideally want as many biased number to bet on as possible to make the most money and to camouflage your play.
     
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  4. Sharptracker

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    Anyone,

    You got it wrong, i was answering to Gizmotron :)
     
  5. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Then we agree. He's riding luck.
     
  6. Sharptracker

    Sharptracker Active Member

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    After Mark, if F.Nietzchte was here, he would say that winners do not believe in coincidence.

    That's the beauty of the variance.
     
  7. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    ST, I believe in coincidence. I count on it in fact. I've written about it for years. People like to argue that guessing about trends is all about a magical form of claimed prediction. So they accuse that the claims are prediction so that they don't have to acknowledge that the claim is only a coincidence, you know, a straw man argument. I'm a skilled and trained expert at seeing changes in randomness. To do that you need a lot of experience viewing randomness characteristics and knowing what types of coincidences are common or the type that are rare. There is no mathematical way to figure out when a trend will start or end.
     
  8. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    ST, So here is an example of how it takes a little effort to get that third net win:

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    Code:
    | 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
    |       X | X       | X       | P | -- 28
    |    X    |    X    |       X |   | -- 20
    |       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
    |       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   | -- 16
    |    X    |       X |    X    |   | -- 15
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   | -- 8
    |       X |    X    |       X | P | -- 32
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   | -- 14
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   | -- 23
    -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       |   |  # 25 -- Won -- 60 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 130 -- ( 0's & 3's to win next)
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 -- Lost  -- 0 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- 60 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       |       X | P |  # 31 -- Won -- 120 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    | P |  # 4 -- Lost  -- 0 -- (Prime 16 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 22 -- Lost  -- -80 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- -20 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Lost  -- -140 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- -260 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       | X       |   |  # 13 -- Won -- -200 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- -140 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   |  # 14 -- Won -- -80 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Won -- -20 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    | X       |   |  # 35 -- Won -- 40 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 -- Won -- 110 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |       X | P |  # 6 -- Lost  -- 0 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 12 -- Lost  -- -110 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    | X       | P |  # 2 -- Lost  -- -230 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- -170 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |    X    |    X    |   |  # 23 -- Won -- -110 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- -50 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 5
    |       X | X       | X       | P |  # 28 -- Lost  -- -170 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 -- Won -- -110 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |    X    |   |  # 16 -- Won -- -50 -- (2 & 3 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       | X       |   |  # 10 -- Lost  -- -170 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       |    X    |   |  # 7 -- Won -- -110 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |-------------------| X       | P |  # 37 -- Lost  -- -230 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 -- Won -- -170 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |    X    |   |  # 8 -- Won -- -100 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    | X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 -- Won -- -40 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    | X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 -- Won -- 20 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    | X       |       X |   |  # 19 -- Won -- 80 -- (Not Prime 22 to win next) @ 5
    |       X |       X |    X    |   |  # 30 -- Won -- 150 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 5
    |    X    |    X    | X       |   |  # 14 -- Won -- 210
    That's ten spins without a bet and 33 spins with bets, all flat bet at 5 units for each number bet.

    So that should help you see how a difficult session works.
     
  9. Sharptracker

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    Thanks Gizmotron, i ve got a better idea now.

    And you don't have aproximatevely an idea about how many spin been played since you start exclusively playing this? I thought you were playing less spin than this, even if sometimes you must reach your goal in few spins only.
     
  10. gizmotron

    gizmotron Well-Known Member Founding Member

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    I open with 10, just look and see, no bet spins. If there is nothing there I wait a little. But there is almost always something there. That's when the win/Lose list starts charting. Now for practice and example cases are concerned, I just keep betting, no matter what. And in this last example I bet flat rate. But in real play I adjust the amount for any losses unless there is a trend in the w/L list where losses are trending as singles. If I see a tangential trend that just keeps occurring I add that to the bet selection of the primary trend being used. It's like reading music. If you can see what key it is in, you can make music with your bankroll.

    My win goal or session goal is to get at those three net wins, to get up and leave with those three net wins. But there is one thing that keeps me in there fighting. I stay playing on any monster long lasting trend, and I stay in there with what I call the global effect. Then I leave. You can see a thing happening across the entire chart in several types of formations, figures, patterns, and locations that dominate the entire chart. An example would be a storm of singles. Another could be an almost perfect pattern of doubles dominating. You can just see it in the chart. You may never have seen a coincidence like that before. I once saw the same 14 numbers go very cold on four different tables in the same casino one night. That lasted for four and one half hours too. These strange, over all, trends are like finding bags of gold just waiting to be picked up. You can wait all year for a bag of gold in the hot number game. It just takes a skilled observer to see them. I mean this: Nobody is looking at what randomness is really doing. They really should. You here stuff like "follow the trend," "bet with the trend," "the trend is your friend." Well what the heck is all that? There's no scientific discovery going on. So I invented my own science for it. There's just me. I alone own it. I shared it all too. It's one of those funny human nature things too. Like what is this nut flogging for so many years? When will he just go away? For me it all started with a fascination for hot numbers. It would be interesting to see if the hot number players of today will one day discover their own science of reading randomness. They'll put it into words as a kind of skilled language. They will be the people that know.

    I can't tell from your questions what direction you are going or if you are trying to teach something. It appears that you already have some kind of a grasp on a reading of the statistics as some kind of signal. To understand reading randomness you must have an anchor point where a normal level of fluctuation is recognizable. From that derivative you get a base to operate from. From that you can speculate a planned direction. Experience is the capacity to gather thousands of hours of newly discovered capabilities. To do that you must create or adapt a language so that you can relate to it all. If you can live with the losses of speculation, overcome human frailty or nature, gain a foundation to frame insight, then you become scientific. Computer programming can help too. You can't beat a game that has a mathematical advantage against you with a hoped for missing mathematical trick. If you want to win at Roulette you have to let the game let you win. You have to allow yourself to win.
     

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