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  1. Heavy

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    On the "Heavy and Dice Coach Upcoming Seminar" thread Harley posted several lies that need to be addressed. No doubt this was an effort on his part to get me to respond on that thread, which I said I would not do. Rather than have him call me a liar for replying on that thread I've opted to respond on a new thread. Here's what he said:

    "Just because you banned me from posting on your website even though I never violated any of your TOS (Yes, Heavy banned me from his website within hours of him being fired by Ford Motor Co.), that does not prevent me from using material from your website under the Fair Use Doctrine of Sections 107 through 118 of the US copyright law . . . "

    Harley was indeed banned from my site. It was due to his continued violation of the forum's terms of service. His constant personal attacks on forum members despite multiple warnings to stop, and complaints from many forum members ultimately led to his being banned. My forum is not the only one he's been barred from. He is a negative force who admitted to me one time that he "enjoyed stirring things up and watching people react." That's just what he is doing here on this site.

    As for my career in business, his statement that I was "fired" from Ford is another lie. I accepted an early retirement offer from Ford back in 2007 when the company was down-sizing. I was 57 years old and had 23 years of service with the company. They offered me full retirement plan as if I were already 65. That retirement offer included a substantial lump sum payment, immediate retirement income for life, and full retirement benefits including health, dental, and life insurance for myself and my family. I was also offered the choice of continuing to work for the company if I wished. Considering that doing so would not significantly increase my retirement income at 65 I opted not to take the money and run. I suspect that most of you, given the same situation, would have done exactly the same.

    What Harley really wants is to be a pain in the ass and (in his opinion) force me to waste my time responding to his lies. Those of you with the sense to recognize this will ignore his further comments. Those of you who don't have the sense to do this deserve him as your friend.

    ~Heavy
     
  2. Harley

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    Heavy, most people in the Dice Community get it ... you don't wander far from your board that you control basically because you can't control or squash other's opinions (we do live in America) ... or where your Moderators cyber-bully your posters with PMs to squash their opinions .... and most often you will lock up a thread or warn anyone that posts about basics of craps that you don't agree with, to put posters and dice topics in Virtual Time-out ... that is really sad for a so-called Craps message Board

    I for one appreciate uncensored message boards, it allows for a free flow of opinions or as Google states in the 1st sentence of their TOS for Content Policy:

     
  3. Heavy

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    The good news is - there's a forum out there for everyone. The good ones have a fair number of users. The others have a few members and a gaggle of sock puppets. The market decides where people go. Apparently most of them like a good car salesman.

    Without rules you have anarchy. I much prefer some sort of order.
     
  4. Harley

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    Heavy - I challenge you to support your above statements and list any single TOS I violated. I contend I did not.

    Also, feel free to support your above statement about my "constant personal attacks" on your board and who complained so that the Dice Community can make their own decisions as to why I was banned ... not just some trumped up charges !! (yea, I know Deadcat complained without any real substance but he was your partner in crime as noted below)

    .... I will post the chronological events leading up to my banning by Heavy, Deadcat and his promoted partner in fiction, Mad Professor and let the readers decide, if they so care:

    Shortly before I was simultaneously banned on both DeadCat/Mad Professor's board (DiceInstitute.com) and Heavy's board the following occurred (note that these 3 are joined at the hip in craps business ventures):

    1. Heavy and Mad Professor were posting on DiceInstitute's board part owned by Deadcat (and later sold to his buddy Mad Professor, which according to witnesses noted that Deadcat talked to Mad Professor on the phone for almost an hour everyday while he lived in Vegas) about Heavy's blow-up at the tables in Mississippi where Heavy was complaining to a particular Mississippi casino Boxman during one of his Live play sessions with students about the laws of hitting the back wall (one of Heavy's students at the craps table called me and told me of Heavy's incident of loosing his normally professional table etiquette) ..... I replied back to Heavy's post and asked him if Mississippi had dice laws about hitting the back wall .... Mad Professor and Heavy both replied that Mississippi has laws about the dice hitting the back wall just like Nevada has

    I then asked both Heavy and Mad Professor to give citations of Nevada Gaming laws or regulations that stated that the dice have to hit the back wall .... Heavy said there were none and Mad Professor posted a reference Link to Nevada traffic laws :rolleyes: ..... after I posted that there were ZERO Gaming laws in Nevada about hitting the back wall, unlike Indiana Gaming Laws, Heavy got upset abut being publicly noted that he did not know what he was talking about regarding dice laws in Nevada and deleted his account on Deadcat's DiceInstitute.com in frustration after he stated that he was not going to be a member of DiceInstitute.com as long as I was a member ... So Heavy picked up his toys and went home to his own board

    I can only imagine that part of this frustration by Heavy was due to his impending departure from Ford Motor Co. as he noted above:

    also, we could debate all day about your departure whether you received an "early retirement" or early buy-out or forced retirement or terminated or laid off or fired ... it's a moot point as to what you call it .... I reference the case of Texas football coach Mack Brown's latest forced announced retirement and buy-out that most everyone knew was technically a "Firing" ...

    2. In any event - a separation from a job after so long is a tough divorce to handle mentally, but the fact remains that I was the scapegoat for this personal anguish and was banned both from Heavy's board and Deadcat's board within hours of Heavy's job separation.

    Let me set up the scenario for the readers to decide if they even care ..... Note that a member on Heavy's board that joined after I was banned is BobtheTree .... BobtheTree was at my house in Vegas taking a craps lesson from Howard Rock n' Roller and stated recently that his opinion on why I was banned from Heavy's board is because I was attacking Heavy and Mad Professor personally and we had a disagreement about the biased dice .... This is the furthest thing from the truth but it is what Heavy has posted and implied numerous times on his board (and above) as he will not speak the real truth, just like most used car salesman in my opinion

    Again, I was banned from Heavy's board literally within hours of him being no longer employed by Ford Motor Company after being with them for 23 years -- Heavy cannot dispute this fact other than calling it a coincidence .... unfortunately not too many people believe in coincidences

    The reason is that Heavy was running a hookup business with Deadcat that lived here locally in Vegas whereas Heavy would charge his members a fee to play with DeadCat in Las Vegas (sounds like a craps prostitution business to me :eek: .. just sayin) .... But Heavy was tired of reading about trip reports of people hooking up with myself through private messages on his board for free -- I was a threat to both Heavy's hobby/business income, and likewise to DeadCat's portion of the craps hookup fees

    Heavy after being out of a job after 23 years needed to rely more on craps hookup fees to help grow his craps business/hobby

    So:
    1st step by Heavy was to ban Harley from his board,
    2nd step - have Deadcat also ban me from DiceInstitute so as not to allow me to cut into Heavy's/Deadcats hookup business there thru PMs or posts,
    3rd step - Heavy went out and bought a Harley - which he soon crashed
    4th step - Heavy wrote in his newsletters that he wanted to move to Vegas, buy a house and have a craps pit in Vegas like Harley, but he has never been able to pull off this 4th step despite trying for over a decade (hint of envy here)

    Here we are several years later and the only thing that remains constant is that I am still banned from both of Heavy's and Deadcat/Mad Professor's board so that I cannot refute any craps related fiction that is fostered on those boards and Heavy is not living in Vegas but he is still running a craps hook-up business even though Deadcat has moved out of Vegas .... the charged hook-ups have been called various names over the years ... now something like an After Glow session fee (if I understand correctly, that $99 Hook-up fee is Now $119 per person to come to a Live casino table with Heavy)

    Heavy says I'm still trying to put him out of his business/hobby but the fact remains that I only try to expose the myths about the craps world that we live in ... It's a free country and anyone is allowed to pay Heavy for his hookup fees and On-Axis dice toss teachings

    Furthermore, Heavy banned several of his board members including 100% of all the Vegas members that knew me 'cause he thought they were sending me content from his board a couple of years later .... Heavy said they were being banned permanently until someone admitted sharing posts with me from a board I was banned from ... Jonah was able to persuade his way back on from being banned, others members said it wasn't worth it

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    .... and that is just my opinion ... I will let you come to your own conclusions
     
  5. Harley

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    Correction to above post - originally posted by Harley for a few words that were left out inadvertently as I was typing:

    the 2nd paragraph should have stated the following - my edit in bold to clarify:

    "I then asked both Heavy and Mad Professor to give citations of Nevada Gaming laws or regulations that stated that the dice have to hit the back wall .... Heavy again said there were dice laws in Nevada about hitting the back wall but posted no references none and Mad Professor posted a reference Link to Nevada traffic laws :rolleyes: ..... after I posted that there were ZERO Gaming laws in Nevada about hitting the back wall, unlike Indiana Gaming Laws, Heavy got upset about being publicly noted that he did not know what he was talking about regarding dice laws in Nevada and deleted his account on Deadcat's DiceInstitute.com in frustration after he stated that he was not going to be a member of DiceInstitute.com as long as I was a member ... So Heavy picked up his toys and went home to his own board"
     
  6. Heavy

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    There are more lies in Harley's post than I even have time to address. I guess it's an illness with this guy. He just can't help himself.

    Everything I've posted is as it was. Virtually everything Harley posted in his last rant is a lie.

    Have a nice life, [Admin Edit: Real name removed]. It would be a better one if you'd seek psychiatric treatment for your condition.
     
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    Wow ... seriously Heavy - that's your rebuttal, to call me a liar and make personal attacks on me .... you know you can't deny any of the facts in my post because too many people know they are true

    And posting my name instead of my screen-name :cool: .... you are basically just telling all your board members and students or anyone that buys products from you that if they ever disagree with anything you say or try to post their own opinions, that they too will have their IDs revealed - that is basic Cyber-bullying 101
     

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    This is warning to both of you to debate your issues without getting personal. Personal attacks are not tolerated on this site.

    To be clear, you can say "I do not believe in User A's method because of X" or "User B did [something] which I do not approve of because of Y". As long as X and Y are not a personal attack against that member. So you cannot say "User C is a liar", but you can say "I do not believe User C is telling the truth because of Z", where Z is supporting evidence for your conclusion. It is then up to the community to determine for themselves whether User C is a liar or not based on your (respectful) interactions.
     
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    So I can say "I believe [Admin Edit: Real name removed]'s ass must really be sore right now because of all the stuff he's pulling out of it," right? Because that's clearly the source of his comments.
     
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    No, because you are still insulting him. The entire point of our rules is to avoid insults and personal attacks that add absolutely nothing to the conversation and only serve to derail discussions. Disagree without being disagreeable.

    We've already issued both of you friendly warnings. The next rule violation by either of you will receive an infraction.
     
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    I am of the opinion that the best way to reconcile this issue is to remove the articles and posts you harvested from my site in addition to any posts I have made - and Harley has responded to - as a result of your posting my content without permission. Without insulting you I can say I don't believe that your "Fair Use" comments in our off-the-board conversations is valid. I believe it is a thinly veiled cover for theft of content from my site. I believe this because I state plainly on my site that posting of content from the site onto other sites is a clear violation of the terms of service of the forum. You may believe that the material you reposted is fair game since it was part of a public feed. I believe the purpose of the feed is to give readers another method of viewing content directly by subscribing to specific feeds. I do not believe the purpose is to allow another website owner to skim content. I believe the fact that this particular forum is hosted in Great Britain complicates matters, but I do NOT believe it prevents me from filing a complaint about your methodology with your IP provider - which, by the way, I have already done. Frankly, I have no particular interest in participating in this forum. My sole reason for signing on was to point out that my content is being reposted without permission and to respond to half-truths and outright misrepresentations of the truth by certain parties on this forum. Does any of that earn me an infraction? Oh, the humanity.
     
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    No, this does not earn you an infraction because you were respectful and did not insult or attack anyone.

    Regarding us syndicating the posts you openly provide via RSS, you yourself said:
     
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    Please note that I have since disabled feeds from my site. I do not expect to see more appear on this site. There's such a thing as the "letter of the law" versus the "spirit of the law." It's plain to me which side you have chosen. Alas, it is what it is. I guess we'll see where it goes from here.
     
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    Heavy, you have two choices -- you can either debate with me professionally with references to support your allegations or pick up your toys and go back home ...

    Heavy - have you ever heard of the legal concept "Substance over Form" .... it does not matter if you call me Harley or Dude or Short Bus or "NAME DELETED BY ADMIN" or whatever "Form", the Substance and context are the same.

    If I were to take depositions from 20 of your Board members and ask them a few simple questions like:

    - When your Moderator irish posts anything about "short bus member", can you identify the most common real screen-name he is referring to ?

    - When Heavy posts "NAME DELETED BY ADMIN", can you identify the most common screen-name craps player he is referring to ?

    - When Mad Professor posts "like the illegitimate spawn of the Manson clan who wander the streets of Las Vegas looking for the love that Charlie never gave…ceaselessly moaning about biased dice", can you identify the most common screen-name craps player he is referring to ?

    - when you see this animated video posted by fish aka Moderator irish, who do you think it refers to ?

    - When Deadcat posts "Hardly", can you identify the most common screen-name craps player he is referring to ?

    ... no matter the question, the answer will be Harley ... Substance over Form

    Heavy, your 1 Board action is way too little so far to insulate yourself and/or your board members you promote as business/hobby partners
     
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    The truth is, Harley, I feel sorry for you. Do you think my forum members haven't sent me links to some of the vile posts you and Rick made over on his ProCraps forum through the years. Don't you think I know that someone went back through and deleted many of those posts so they wouldn't come back to haunt you? You've always enjoyed stirring the pot and seeing what rises to the top. Fact is, I should have followed my own advice and ignored your comments on this forum. The readership is miniscule and of little import anyway. The folks who are on here are likely smart enough to see what's going on here. My bad in rising to the bait.

    Based on your behavior through the years I can only assume that you suffer from some sort of obsessive-compulsive behavior that drives all of this. One of your friends PM'd me recently and asked me to go easy on you, explaining that you have suffered a traumatic head injury at one point in your life and that it effected your thinking. I have no idea if this is true - or if it's what these actions stem from. What I will do is suggest you consult a good diagnostic physician and seek treatment for for whatever ails you. I can assure you that your problems do not lie with me.

    Say what else you will - I'm through with you. At the end of the day - I wish you well.
     
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    Heavy - funny how some things in your head are not always true .... you have posted numerous times this similar statement about SuperRick's ProCraps forum when in fact our mostly private forum has about 4 times more readers than your public Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum board:

    http://ProCraps4u2.myfanforum.org/
    Daily Unique Visitors: 545
    Monthly Unique Visitors: 16,588
    Yearly Unique Visitors: 198,925

    Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum
    Daily Unique Visitors: 133
    Monthly Unique Visitors: 4,048
    Yearly Unique Visitors: 48,545

    .... You can only conclude that real craps players prefer Substance over Mad Professor's Fiction

    Heavy - your statement about this site is also BS as it also has more than 4x your readership:

    gamblingforums.com
    Daily Unique Visitors: 643
    Monthly Unique Visitors: 19,571
    Yearly Unique Visitors: 234,695

    Website Traffic Data obtained from http://axispowercraps.com.w3snoop.com/
     
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    @Admin - please do not ban Heavy because he does not know what he says - I forgive him for his ignorance and I hope that you would also

    Although on the surface it looks like Heavy has violated TOS several times as noted in your http://www.gamblingforums.com/help/terms :

    Heavy's actual posts were based on faulty information and/or just his typical malicious BS:

    Disclosing private medical information even if not true is criminal and a violation of Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996 (HIPAA) .... AND disclosing private names (not once but twice) is also a TOS violation:

     
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    Heavy, again you cannot support your BS stated in your above post ...

    1. I only sent 1 email to 1 forum member while you were in Biloxi - not several forum members as you posted ...

    2. That 1 forum member only had 1 post that was deleted by you - why couldn't that 1 forum member delete or edit the 1 post himself ?!!

    3. You deleted several of Mad Professor's posts on that thread only after you read that 1 email concerning my email .... and since when is Mad Professor not able to delete or edit his own posts on your board ?!!

    The truth is that what you posted above is completely different than what happened as detailed in your post on your own board:

    Basically it is what it is - you are having trouble changing your stripes .... and those stripes are that you not only promote a fiction writer in Mad Professor that exaggerates continuously, but you also have problems exaggerating the truth .... again, considering your background in the used car business, I can understand how those learned traits may be hard to shake off

    And this is the main point - continuous fiction, posting non-truths and exaggeration is harmful to the Dice Community as a whole
     
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    Haters will see you walk on water and say it’s because you can’t swim
     

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