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Casino Why I will never again gamble online

Discussion in 'Casino Forum' started by Mark V, Jul 21, 2015.

  1. Mark V

    Mark V Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    I have tried a few online casinos with marginal success, though my experience with them does not match my Las Vegas experience at all. First the Online casinos feel cooler, where winning is harder and you can go though long patches of cold play that you won't experience in a Las Vegas casino.

    I then Recently read and article by Eliot Jacobson that illuminated these cold patches that illuminates why these cold patches occur.

    http://apheat.net/2014/01/02/crooks-in-the-online-casino-industry/

    I have always suspected that the online gaming software had a "rouge" mode that would 'cheat' when the daily profit was not where it should be, and alter the outcome of all games to a lower return rate by simply altering the outcomes. Once the profit rate is achieved, the rouge mode would be turned off.

    I think all casino software has its own variation of a Rouge Mode that ensures that the casino will not take a huge loss, or become unprofitable.

    I also know that many of the online gaming authorities and certifications are 'in name only' and there is no actual enforcement. It is like when the Indian Casinos run their own gaming commissions, you know they are cheating because they simply make the cheating legit though their own policies and rules.

    Data can lie, and data that is given to an auditor can be different data than what is actually being played.

    My conclusion is to avoid all on-line gambling that is not code checked and data checked by an reputable agency who has the powers of enforcement.
     
  2. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    I agree. People who gamble online say " they dont need to cheat, they already have the house advantage working for them".
    Yeah right.....who doesnt want to make more money. Bernie Madoff didnt "need to cheat".....without cheating he would have lived a nice life.
    But hell yeah, to many people...if they can make more by cheating... then suckers beware.

    Hey everyone I will pay 10-1 on a coin flip. The way it works is that you send me 100 dollars. I flip a coin. If it comes out what you called...you get 1000. I will tell you if you win.
     
  3. EKAPS

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    Yes, good way to put it. You see things online that you never ever see in a real casino. Things go smoothly for awhile, then they go very bad very fast. Even the live roulette wheels are somehow gaffed. You can win and lose, win and lose, and then things spiral downward to an unreal degree. It's almost comical. It's happens every time I play online. Yes, things are within the parameters of the math and probability, but then they really aren't. People who trust online casinos are living in a dream world.
     
  4. Mark V

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    Non-regulated gaming is away is a setup for the house to cheat. Locally we have an Indian casino that has brought in a lot of 'out of country' gambling machines. Machines made out of country do not have to comply with any laws for machines made in country. One such machine was an video roulette that I encountered.

    I like to play the two of the 3 douzans bets with roulette. Typically this can be a grind with a lot of back and forth, and the odds of losing four times in a row is nearly impossible. Yet the video roulette machine defied the odds and I was constantly losing my bets 4 times in a row. So I started making 4 douzans bets, the columns and the rows, where the only possiblity of losing was the very center of the board of six number....and guess what.... The machine started hitting the very center of the board over and over. When I covered the six numbers it hit the 00

    Clearly the machine was programmed to make me lose as to keep its hold on me or the overall take for the day. In my opinion, that video roulette machine at that Indian casinos was Fully Rouge.

    I have also seen now some interesting Video Poker machines showing up at the Indian Casinos. Poker Stars IGT cabinate and signage, but the software running is something else, and no IGT or otherwise symbol appears in the menus. I played on those machines and noticed that it was cold as hell. Others who where playing also commented that nothing was being given out today. Was the casino machines in Rouge mode? I did overhear that someone had a good run on the Craps table, taking 23K from the casino. Would that then tell the gaming computers to lower the return rates on all machines though cheating till they have recovered their loses?

    keep in mind, that the casino will only follow to the letter the laws that govern gaming, and what laws are enforced. Where the laws are silent or not enforced the casino will simply exploit to their own benefits.
     
  5. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    No, it's just a slot machine that looks like
    it's playing roulette. I know this for a fact,
    I called the manufacturer.
     
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  6. albalaha

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    Dear Mark V,
    Cheating is possible in online and offline casinos but it is the harshest reality of the game that house edge and randomness combined bring such amount of variance as may look unreal or "working against your bets" while it need not be. Slots are the worst gambling machines kept in casinos to create a colorful atmosphere. A person winning $100 on slot cries loud while someone winning $10k a hand on baccarat keeps calm.
    So far as playing online slots are concerned, choose very reputed casinos and you will find them fair enough. I have won many early morning mini jacpots with them. I do not think they control the output.
     
  7. IDPA

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    I believe the word you are looking for is ROGUE.
     

  8. EKAPS

    EKAPS Member Founding Member

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    It's not rogue, it's a slot machine. Good grief.
     
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    The name of the roulette machine is Fully Rouge?

    If so, I stand corrected.

    However, from reading the first message, it appears that the author is talking about a rogue machine that "cheats" or something.
     
  10. Mark V

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    I am thinking EKAPS is right, that the Video Roulette machine is in fact a SLOT machine that pretends to be a Roulette machine. This actually may be so for any video table game as well. Unless the game explicitly states the return rate/house edge, then it is likely along the slot return rate of 91%

    I also know that there are some physical Video Poker machines that are 'slot machines' and the results are not based on random picking from a 52 card deck. If it is a true video poker machine, then the machine will say that results are random picks from a 52 card deck, and if nothing is said then you are at the mercy of the game.
     
  11. EKAPS

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    I know for a fact they are nothing but slots because I called Bally a couple years and asked them. I pretended to be a casino floorman and gave them a fake ID number and they just gushed info. It's roulette in name only, the way it pays out has nothing to do roulette. It will give you 35/1 payout on a straight up number, but the number winning is determined the same way a slot is. You don't have a 1 in 37 or 38 chance of winning, it's whatever it is for a regular slot.
     
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