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Roulette Why you lose in casino?

Discussion in 'Roulette Forum' started by beat-the-wheel, Mar 5, 2015.

  1. beat-the-wheel

    beat-the-wheel Member Founding Member

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    Why we lose in casino???

    Apart from the usual "capital,fallacy,edge, bla bla blah.."

    I think the most painful reason is LACK OF WINNING HIT!!!

    It seems that everyone has a winning system, but lose when the most needed 'win',... 'sleep'...

    U need one more win, but the casino wont give in, and a few more 'LOSE'.., u lose your shirt...

    Even the best gambler admit he lose a session, or two, frequently, but will recoup the losses, in next two or three session, thus he will win year in, year out.

    So, the most important million dollar questions....

    1]How to tackle,"LACK OF WINNING HIT"!!!

    2]How to "lose a session, or two frequently, but will recoup the losses, in next two or three session"


    Every seasoned gambler worth his salt, sugar, or spice...knows that in any EVEN CHANCE, there will be at least 34win in 100bet, and in official recorded B&M casino history,there never less than 69win, in 200 EC bet.
    [I will post the 69win/200 here if u want it]

    Any opinion???
    Thanks for reading.
     
  2. albalaha

    albalaha Active Member Founding Member

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    Well, so far my experience and simulations go, I saw a minimum of 25 hits only in 100 bets of EC bet, not just once but many times. Secondly, there is no "Official record" maintained by all casinos of the world to compare these worst or best hits. I believe that there could be only 54 hits of an EC in 200 trials too. Remember, there is no absolute limit, there are only observed or simulated limits.
    If you do not get reasonable amount of hits, better quit than keep pushing. Set your limits that you think can be recouped.
     
  3. Rudy

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    I have been working on this for a while. The hard lesson in my opinion is money management, money management, patience, accepting small wins, lock gains in early, accepting losing sessions and streaks, (but keep it small), if my win goal is 10% of buy in then max loss, is 20%, if I get on a losing streak then I lower my max loss, also lower my bets. As far as my bet selection in roulette my favorites are from R. D. Ellison's Gamble to Win Roulette and R. S. Garland's Roulette: The Odds On Favorite Strategy. In both of the books I found parts of their strategies that I use and modified to my preference. There are days where I watch the tables and never find a good opportunity, in the pass that would not of stopped me from betting. Now I pick when I like to enter and risk my money. Oh yes I almost forgot money management.
     
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  4. zengrifter

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    "Money management" is meaningless UNLESS you have a verifiable edge ... which of course you do NOT.
     
  5. Rudy

    Rudy Member Lineage to Founders

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    Since you obviously have a verifiable edge please share.
     
  6. zengrifter

    zengrifter Member Lineage to Founders

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    I have a verifiable edge at BJ.
    But if you mean at roulette, I would need a small hidden special computer.
     
  7. bjarg

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    I see what you mean zg...
     

  8. Jesper Svensson

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    200 red is still to come, it will! Our Universium is still too young. It may have happen several time in other Universa.
    It is in any case not impossible. Who have ever in 300 years of time seen a duplicated run of 200?
    Every run of 200 is very unlikley, still we can make one every 200 spins. We watching rare events all the time.
     
  9. Alan Yasutovich

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    It seems all to simple,easy, and common to be on the down side of
    a gambling play. And it makes you wonder how you can dig down so fast
    and easy and it's hard to climb out.

    And never the other way around. Being up and having it difficult to get down.
    That is a logic question. But the real thing is that the methodology of play somehow
    creates this for the player since there is a certain "way" of playing when you are ahead,
    and a certain "way" of playing when you are losing.

    Switch them around.
     
  10. Alan Yasutovich

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    So to piggy back my other response. Why is it like walking on egg shells to get 10%
    and simple to lose everything? The metholology seems backwards. Right?
     
  11. Jesper Svensson

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    Lack of winning hit?, a scary martingaler before he lost, run well winning one out of eight spins. The deadly run kills him.
    L'ambert players belive in everthing even out short time, or a win must come after a loss. All negative progressions are variations of this.
    We will never get more win hit than losing "in the long run" (Ap-players have never get any proof, I Think it may be the same on all fora as the texts looks copy past). My egde is I am so old the long run will not show :p!
     
  12. Alan Yasutovich

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    Does anyone feel like they keep encountering those pesky "winning runs" (without a "losing hit")
    all the time and are trying to figure out how to avoid them? It's like I said, reverse mentality.
    If we played as aggressive in the winning side as we do defensive on the losing side, then we'd
    always be "stuck" in the winning circle, trying to figure out how to get out.
     
  13. albalaha

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    You lose primarily because you do not know the truths of gambling and secondly because you can not be lucky always.
     
  14. Alan Yasutovich

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    Certainly. But the house edge is something long term. Most people tend to agree that people could not
    win even in a game with no house edge. Cause of the variants, losses from progressions, etc.
    And in real play it is easy to get negative. REAL negative. But never so easy to get positive, much
    less STUCK there.

    So how do we reverse that? The beginning of that idea, I think, is embedded in part in the up as you win
    progressions. Another way to think of it would be to, in your head be the house. If I were winning and
    the house was losing, and the house was a person, the "house" would be in a panic.
    " I need to recover my losses" says the house.

    That is what the player says. "Howz that working for you" says Dr Phil? Not very well.
    So if you put yourself in the houses shoes and played scared, the hypothetical player that
    you are would be losing money hand over fist. And the REAL player (you) would be raking it in.
     

  15. albalaha

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    "Up as you win" progressions do not win by itself. They are based upon the presumption of nice streaks after bad or below average hit rate in the beginning. It may happen, it may not. Since you can not determine the future or can't predict the w/l patterns that are to come, no progression be it positive or negative can do better than all.
    "Up as you win" or "up as you lose" or "parlay or ride at successive wins" all are subjective to what type of W/L you get in future. Since you have no control over future, all are merely ways to try your luck. None can make you a log run winner alone. All are destined to lose.
     
  16. Alan Yasutovich

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    The element that is missing is the emotion. The "up as you win" method is what happens when
    the casino loses. And starts to chase it's losses. When you play a neg progression you are having
    the casino play their hand "up as you win".

    So you have to mentally change seats. Be the casino. And when you are winning, the
    casino is losing. So, being the casino you should feel fear. And chase the loss (your win)
    to get it back.
     
  17. albalaha

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    Emotion doesn't make us winner but rather does the opposite. Casino wins at last with two strengths: 1. house edge and 2. infinite time and capital. A player can not have both so can never step into the shoes of a casino. Fighting randomness is like fighting blindfolded with an enemy having a pair of good eyes and broad daylight.
     
  18. Alan Yasutovich

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    Exactly. And you are going to play in your head, as the house. If the house was able to play and
    make the choices that the player did, they would be irrational. So turning the tables and becoming
    the house (perceiving losses that you try to get back. Those perceived losses are actual wins to you)
    will put the ball in your court. The house will be panicking. And losing. And you will be winning.

    It's a tough thing to grab hold of. But the logic makes sense.
     
  19. Proofreaders2000

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    It seems casinos try to urge frequent betting. The world record for most number of one even chance showing consecutively is 36 (I'm 90% sure of that). So if we wait for a 35 consecutive even chance streak we would usually win. **But the casino doesn't want you to wait** Therein imo lies the danger.
     
  20. Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone

    Dr. Sir Anyone Anyone Well-Known Member Lineage to Founders

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    Proofreaders,

    You can't step outside of probability by just watching on the side lines. Read about the "gamblers fallacy".
     

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