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Craps You Must Attack like a Shark when Blood is in the Water

Discussion in 'Craps Forum' started by TSC, Apr 14, 2015.

  1. TSC

    TSC Member Lineage to Founders

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    I posted this post in another thread, but thought it warranted its own Topic for convo...

    Who cares if Casinos using unfair dice... If you know what you are doing and what to look for, you can exploit $1000-2000 a session. That's all I'm gonna say about it. So many people/DI's want to try and beat the game with their skill set but 90-95-% don't know how to use their skill set to exploit a 20-50 roll hand. They walk away with $300 and think it's a good session. If you ever hear of a big amount its bc of a Fire Bet or ATS Win.

    I say it's a shitty session and go get a part/full time job doing something else, Bc you are not Taking Full advantage of your skill set. It's like putting Lawrence Taylor on the football field and saying I want you out in coverage vs these tight ends instead of rushing the QB on passing downs. What a Waste of talent. Not being a smart ass or arrogant but just saying most good shooters I've seen over 10-15 years are pussies when it comes to betting into their hand. Call it fear, call it scared money, call it whatever you want. IMO, Casinos aren't in fear of the shooter, their in fear of a Bettor that's betting this skilled shooters hand.

    Their are too many ways to extract a $1000 a Session off these tables. And Im not talking with $360 across, $204 across or any other amount that a few bad hands will set you back and cause one to bet out of fear of a depleted bankroll. In talking about when shooting to risk a little to Win A Lot. Outside of me betting on my roll, i attack a table Bias with whatever is happening on a table. Whether the dice are crooked as they say or just a coincidence, I could give a rats ass. My goal is to pull 10 units from Pass/Dp play, 5 units from Lost numbers, 5 units from Place Bets. Thats 20 units a session. Ive progressed up to $75 a unit now, so $1500 for a 3 hr session is my win Goal. This is outside of shooting and making $$$ from my skill set.

    Now, It seems I lose money when these so called DI's are in town and I'm betting into them. Those are the times, more times than not, that I Lose. BC, I switch gears to bet their skillset which more times than not amounts to short rolls. Why, Bc I treat their rolls like I do when I bet on myself, Limp in small and advance upward. When i bet on myself, Ill go with $64 across or $81 across and Up from there... Its amazing what $64 can produce. Now every time i miss, its Minus $64... But hey thats bettor than losing $360 or $204 or any other big amount. Sometimes it takes a few rolls to get into a rhythm, r figure what the dice are saying (whats working and whats not working)... Im not dropping $360 to find this out... its $64 loss...

    Concerning who to play with... Its fun playing with Buddies and friends that come to town, but like i said before, i Lose more money betting on D.I's. I only trust a half handful of people with this strategy. Yes they Live here locally. Using a baseball analogy. These guys that play weekly, practice weekly, know the turf they play on. Know the umpires in the game, the height of the pitching mound, the the way the sun sets on the field, the moisture in the air, if the ball will carry during day games, know when to take the extra base on a tweener in the outfield, etc,etc... with that said, most don't have a group like this and is bettor off playing alone, exploiting the table bias whatever it is, and betting their skill set hand aggressively "IF" and Only "If" they have an advantage shooting the dice.

    Here are my rolls and how the won/loss. i put at risk $64-81 across depending on mood.

    1): 5,8,7 damn really... Minus $80
    2) 7, 6,6, 4,10,5,6,9,6,9,5,4 5,5, 5,6,10,6,5, 11, 4,11,8,9,10,11,5,H6,5,5,H6,5,9,11,8,7OUT

    HIT 6 PASS LINE WINNERS... but its what I had at risk and what i extracted off roll thats important.

    $10PL, work 4/10 and $5 red... CO7, Win PL $10 lose 4/10, push with Red. CO 6, go $64 across/including for 15 box hit winners. R3 6 winner. Win $10 PL plus single odds of $12 winner. PB goes to $24, change H6, working CO HW and 4/10. R4, Co4. Take working PB to $25 and leave there even though it pays slightly less. Moving to odds will cost you hundreds/thousands potentially (thats another topic for another day). Put single odds behind point of 4 of $15. R5, a 10, press 10 to $25, $3 change H10. R6 5, drop $1 go to $25, next roll 6 press to $48, $4 H6. Next 9, drop $1 go to $25. Next a 6, press to $96, change on H6. Next another 9, press to $60. Next a 5, full press to $60, next roll 4 winner. Place bet goes to $75, drop $1 and PL winner #3, so $15 win plus $30 on single odds. Next PL is $25. Working $75 4 and $25 10... $20 red.. R13 is a 5. Put single odds of $30 behind the 5. Only 10 box hits. Need 5 more. Next roll box hit 11 is a 5 winner. Collect $70 from PL win, drop $6 and take $60 five to $150. Working 4/10, w/ $20 red, R15 is another 5. Put $40 odds behind the $35 PL bet. (damn I rotated set 180* and got a 5.....damn would of been a 9)... Box hit 12 is a 6. $96 six Pays $112, go to $180 and put up $28 H6. Box hit 13 is a 10, drop $1 go to $75. Box hit #14 is another 6, this $180/6 pays $210. Press to $360, put change $30 H6. Box hit 15 is another 5. $150 five pays $210, Press to $360.

    Ok thats 15 box hits... remove $75 off 4, $360 off 5, $360 off 6, $12 off 8, $60 off 9 and $75 off the 10 along with collecting $22,$45,$70 and $105. Thats $1184 off felt from $64 on 15 box hits. Now heres what i do. Go back in for around 20-25% of the $1184.. 25% of 1200 is 400... So around $300 would be 20%.

    So back in for $50 on 4,5,9,10 and $60 6 and 8. Now i reduce to 10 hits, then reduce then 5 hits etc.

    Working 4/10 next roll 11, press $50 PL to 100 and don't tai odds. stacked don't rack em... Next roll is a 4. Press PB to $150, box hit 2 is an 8. Press to $120 put $10 change on H8. remember there is still $30 on H6 from prior 15 box hit hand... Hit 3 is a 9, drop $5 go to $125, hit 4 is a 10, drop and press to $150. hit 5 is a 5, drop $5 press to $125, next roll hit 6 is a H6, Press PB to $120, HW pays $270. Press HW to $90, put difference of $180 back on PB of 6 so now PB is $300. Hit 7 is a five, pays $175, so press to $300. Hit 8 is another 5, pays $420, Drop $30 go to $750. Hit 9 is another H6. HW pays $810, PB pays $350, press PB to $600, put change on H6 now $120. (2 options here, put $810 in rack or press PB up to $1200 for 1 roll. I just racked it... Maybe if i had 5-6 more rolls before goal of 10 hits different story... Hit 10 of Phase 2 was another 5, Pays $1050. Ok time to reduce.. didn't even hit a point on this run.

    Pull $150 off PB of 4, Pull $1800 off 5, pull $600 off 6, pull $120 off 8, pull $125 off the 9 and pull $150 off the 10, along with $810 from the HW, which still has $120... Phase 2 pulls $$3755 off felt. Go back in for 20% for 5 rolls. $3750-$360 across, is around $3400. so 20% is $700.. So $100 4,5,9,10 and 120 6/8. Hit 1 is a 9. Pays 140, drop $10 for to $250, Hit 2 of Phase 3 is an 8, press to $240, change on H8, Next roll is 11, next roll a 7out....

    So my original $64 risk, netted $1184 + $3745 minus $64 and Minus, $160 and Minus $640. Thats $4065 net profit from a 36 roll hand... Not a monster 50+, its amazing the multiplying factor in the phases... add in the HW bonus and the fire which i missed although i had 6 PL winners and repeated 5 several times and the 4 twice... bummer as a 5 pointer add $2500 more.... you see i didn't need my FIRE for a big score. My measly $64 did all the damage. That and my skill set. BTW this house brought in an Asian dealer i call CC, which is The Chinese Cooler. They have done it before during a roll... she comes from a different Pit, this time 3 card poker.... not even in the Craps crew... pissed me off... got 3 rolls in on her...then the 7.

    Well off to bed...wife is calling....

    Bottom line is this is how i feel we need to use Small risk for MAX gain... The POWER of bankroll growth.

    PEACE

    TSC / aka VDC
     
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  2. Harley

    Harley Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    good advise !!
     
  3. MisterAK

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    MisterAK appreciates TSC/VDC's first comments. Who cares about biased dice? If the dice are biased they are beatable in a very big way. This is something Harley claims to have mastered, but if that is the case why does he live in a rental house with rented furniture, an empty garage, and no swimming pool? Why does he wear tacky grunge shop clothes and sponge comps for free food from his high roller friends? "Good advise," he says. He means "Good advice," which I think it is! We agree on something!
     

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