Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Very true. This board consists mainly of adults, unlike "Mike's house" which seems to be a haven for wayward juveniles. What that means is that as adults we have the ability to make choices other than running to mommy or daddy every time we feel insulted. We let insults roll off, understanding that it's just the internet full of nameless, faceless people behind a keyboard. We can choose to respond to or ignore a post. It's that simple and a whole lot healthier if you ask me.

It's a shame that there are so many delusional people out there who think their only friends are on message boards. People, for example, who fly across the country at the drop of a hat to witness and cheer on a nugget eating contest.....hoping, praying for vomiting. And the ones who couldn't make it are on the edge of their seats waiting for the results....not daring to leave the computer and risk missing any crumb of information that is tossed their way.

I wonder if manboy is going to tone it down this year with the embarrassing, lecherous poses. Maybe show a little respect for his family who, by the way, never seem to be invited to any of these things.

 

The challenges are twofold in purpose: comaraderie and betting opportunities.

Few if any are poised on the edge of their chairs awaiting a projectile spewing.

 

if you are saying that this is just a group of adults finding this as something they have in common, a joy of watching unsuspecting customers be grossed out, as they(wov-ers) bet and or cheer as one or more people force feed and gag on greasy fried chicken pieces down their throat..all along knowing from video posted, that vomiting is a real possibility. Then that is sad. Very sad. That out of all the choices they have to enjoy each others company......THIS is a choice.

This is something I would expect to see from 19 year olds in a goofy college spectacle. Except from my experience in frat house mentality, we would have brought the mcnuggets back to the frat house and had the contest there, while we guzzled beer and smoked weed...leaving the public to enjoy their meals.

Since there is betting involved, and seeing the maturity level of these folks......I wouldnt be surprised if there is cheering for vomiting, disgusting sounds being made. Its a juvenile display, that will have juvenile behavior attached.

The "fun" isnt the ability to see some sort of accomplishment. The fun for them is to laugh at the discomfort and gastrointestinal pain that someone will be subject to. The gagging, belching, deep breathing, sweating, is just so much fun to observe.

the more pain they can observe and video the better.

It would be such a letdown, if someone calmly ate 55 pieces, and then just pushed themselves away from the table and said, thats enough....without getting to the force feeding stage. Without getting to the belching gagging stage.


camaraderie at its finest

 

Okay, I concede my idea to amend or cancel future WoV McNugget challenges is not going over well. Perhaps the entertainment value outweighs the fat and cholesterol damage.>>>>>

that says it all.......we all love to see or hear about the ill effects of fat and cholesterol damage....its "entertainment"

or camaraderie

 

Big brewhaha at WoV, 4 names in red, come over here for latest opinions, and......crickets!

 

This is a reposting of the original I just put up at WoV:

"Regarding the recent suspensions of members for inappropriate flagging:

The USA is a nation of laws; people are expected to follow the rules.

The rules are required to have been published and knowable to the public: you cannot be punished if no law prohibits it: call it "Notice and opportunity to comply."

It seems that some members flagged a post, and the Wiz didn't like the fact that they did so, so he suspended them.

Which would have been fine, except so far as I can tell there was no rule prohibiting that conduct in effect at the time, at least none which had been in existence long enough for people to know about it and govern themselves accordingly.

As justification for the suspensions, the following new rule was posted YESTERDAY to the list of rules: "Flagging: The primary purpose of flagging is to rid the forum of spam but can also be used for other obvious rule violations. Flagging legitimate posts, for any reason, is not allowed. (Added 4/15/2016)"

It is unfair to invent a new rule, a rule nobody knew existed, and suspend people for its violation BASED ON CONDUCT WHICH PREDATED THE NEW RULE.

We the American People abolished such Ex Post Facto laws / rules a couple hundred years ago."

 

I don't see a problem because the WoV mods have been making rules up as they go along for years now. So this falls right in line with that.
Just look at aids288. He just called someone "gay" again without any prooff and he's proudly proclaiming that he will continue to do so.
will he get suspended?????????????????????? I doubt it...........

On the other hand others have gotten suspended for just making cogent arguments that nobody can refute.
The mods got mad that they couldn't refute superior arguments so.............................................................................NUKE!

Its funny how Steve Urkel says "people are expected to follow the rules" but isn't this the same guy who DIDN'T follow stratosphere's rules???
Didn't the stratosphere clearly write an expiration date on his sportsbook ticket?????????????/
but didn't Steve Urkel throw a fit after he tried cashing in his sportsbook ticket AFTER the expiration date???????

And after stratosphere told him "you didn't follow the rules", didn't Steve Urkel go whining to gaming control??????????
Steve Urkel is a hypocritical a piece of shit

 

does anyone remember that post Steve Urkel made a while back about a woman who was leading some sort of class or expedition in vegas? Maybe it was hiking or something?
but she banned Steve Urkel (for an unknown reason according to Steve Urkel) ?

At the time I thought that maybe she was just a weird, paranoid woman
but now i totally believe that Steve Urkel must ahve been exhibiting creepy, lecherous behavior
(Remember this is the guy who likes to just "look" at the asian prostitutes in Macau - wink, wink)

I can't find that post but maybe someone else might hve better luck. it was from a while back.

 

It was on his diversity tomorrow site. It was one of 4 blogs by manboy. Guess what? He deleted it, probably after reading about it here and seeing how bad it looked. He does that often and thinks nobody notices. Pure scumbag move. Go to the site and enter "canyoneering" and you'll see that he couldn't get rid of the evidence. The only blog left is about a dream he had involving the actress Mindy Cohn. Not too sick.

 

The Wiz responds: "I never said this forum was a democracy. Perhaps a dictatorship would be the better comparison."

Alas, were it only a benign dictatorship.

 

I dont understand,. Do posts get auto-deleted when there is a certain number of flags?? Because he said he got complaints that the post was gone.
So was it auto-deleted or did a mod see multiple flags, and knee jerk deleted.

 

It seems to me there is a simple solution.
1- reprimand the mod who deleted for no reason
or
2-stop the autodelete function...making it a mod driven manual deletion due to flagging

either way, punishment for something that doesnt exist in the rules...and 7 days no less is par for the course.

There is no rule for "welching on a bet" that would cause suspension, let alone banning. There is no rule for "truce violation".
there was no listed parameters for flagging, therefore punishment for inappropriate flagging is just another nonsensical punishment opportunity.

People in the past were banned for having unpopular opinions.I assume I fall under that category because there was zero reason given for my banning. The manboy did comment on why I was banned with........."we all know why" as his only comment on the action.

So if people are willing to accept nuking without transparency....without being given a reason......then there will come a time when these types of actions are taken against you or against people you enjoyed reading.

so recently KJ gets nuked and people are up in arms on how nice it was to read his contributions.

Well if you can accept without question the nuking of B9, 1BB,LarryS, and others....because you just didnt like their opinions. Then dont complain when someone whose opinions you enjoy gets thrown off the board.

And dont be surprised if the next target is YOU.

(when i use the word "you" in this post,,,,,its non specific)

 

KJ was so popular because he delivered meat and potatoes gambling advice specifically about professional blackjack. That was the bulk of his posts. He wasn't just an excellent counter, he knew how to get away with it long term. While WoV has professional gamblers, the bulk of the members are non-professionals that maybe want to learn how to play and get away with it on a professional level. KJ's advice in that spot was some of the best that WoV has ever seen. That's why so many people didn't like his banning.

 

The primary purpose of flagging is to rid the forum of spam but can also be used for other obvious rule violations.>>>per manboy wov

So what if my perception of a post as being "spam" is different than the next guys.
And what if "obvious rule violations" mean different things to different people.

good thing the munchkins have a dictator who can show them right and wrong ......after the fact.
good thing the munchkins have a dictator who can set vague obtuse rules that only he understands

 

It's interesting that the board's new owners don't have more of an active presence moderating that board.

That tells me they don't really much care about what goes on there.

Hello, red-headed step-child.

The recent spate of heavy-handed moderation is hurting that board.

 

With me, 1BB, and B9 gone there is no longer anyone on that suspension discussion thread that would present a persuasive argument against heavy handed moderation without couching it in apologies. Presenting commentary, without at the same time kissing ass and letting the chips fall where they may. Nope....that is gone.

The worse thing that can happen on that board from the perspective of manboy, is to have people be convinced that the site is a business, and people should be treated as valued customers. That is the point i tried to make in 2-3 posts before I was banned. That view is verboten .

The manboy would rather set the unnatural climate that we are in HIS living room, and hence he is the dictator of his home, and we are merely guests. We present no value. We are takers.....and we give nothing.

But the reality is, visitors, and posters, do add value to the site. It is a symbiotic relationship. Customers give their time, effort, and expertise.....and in return receive a platform to exchange ideas.. One cannot exist without the other...at least not in a thriving situation.

So as long as unreasonable, socially backward, psychologically needy people are given the keys to the customer service department.....this is what you will get. As long as these people keep viewing wov as "mikes place" rather than "zugas place of business"......people like me will continue to be thrown off the site.

The discussion of suspensions list is in effect a customer service dept. And you get a great idea as to the success or non success of a business by viewing how they treat customers. Some customers are calm, some are irate, some are crude, some are shy.....you get all types in the court of customer complaints. And I assure you that successful businesses do not permanently or partially ban customers...except for extreme legal matters like theft or physical assault.

Do you think if I went to a manager of a business, and said"I dont like the way you treat me and other customers".......the answer would be "dont let the door hit you in the ass"?

The people that remain at wov, have very low self esteem, in order to stay and see their neighbors repeatedly mistreated.

 

No.

My self esteem is fine.

What would self-esteem have to do with a decision to stay or leave?

That is more an issue of tolerance, of empathy, than one of self-esteem.

 

People who have low self esteem and want to belong in a group or club, are too fearful to speak up appropriately when their neighbors are being mistreated by others in the group...thinking that they want to be accepted because after all who else would have them.

It could also be cold people with lack of empathy, I agree

However the people with both empathy and a healthy sense of self esteem have been banned

So because of that, there are more and more issues with unacceptable, uneven, dictatorial behavior......as the people remaining are less empathetic and or have too low self esteem to want to rock the boat. My unscientific observation is that a majority of the players involved in these discussions that remain on wov, neatly fit into both categories simultaneously...not just one.

Of course there will always be a few "outliers "..which is why I am not listing screen names

Just as MrV has labeled people on that site as munchkins, Koolaide drinkers, and Jackals......I realize there are outliers as well....as specific names werent mentioned.

If those descriptions(munchkins/jackals et al) can be ascribed to those living in wov land.....then my assertions are just as valid.

Its opinion , and as far as that goes, everyone is entitled to their own. However in the absence of a clarifying debate point by others that makes me change my mind.......I will defend my point. And risk termination from a site...because I have the self esteem to know....I can post elsewhere and its not a "shame" to defend a point. And if I am suspended ..its not something that would "shame" me as the manboy claims is happening.

Heck QFIT posted 50 times in a week or 2 defending his point. And he didnt get banned or suspended.

 

There's really no reason for anyone to be on WoV forums any longer. Any forum owner who has to beg his members for cash just so he can make it, has no right being an active forum owner any longer. Then, selling out to an overseas online gambling entity is the final nail.

 

Unlike most people on this thread, you do have the ability to within the rules voice that comment on wov.

certainly keep reposting here.....if thats what you like to do. YouR repost at the top of this page was very well thought out and did indeed appear on wov.

to assert that the manboy heads a malignant dictatorship is on point whether its a stone tossed on wov or a stone thrown from a distance on GF.