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Baccarat 5 column statistics

Discussion in 'Baccarat Forum' started by violater777, Jan 5, 2018.

  1. violater777

    violater777 Member

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    I am convinced the data isn't being optimized. My shoes also win with the lapper.
     
  2. fathead

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    No, this is betting both in shoe and from shoe to shoe. See below.

    During the shoe do this:

    3 P
    4 B
    5 B
    1 <<bet

    4 P
    5 B
    1 B
    2 << bet

    5 P
    1 B
    2 B
    3 B
    4 << bet

    Going from a shoe that is ending to a new shoe that is beginning do this:

    5 P
    1 B
    2 B
    new shoe
    1 <<bet

    3 P
    4 B
    new shoe
    1 B
    2 << bet

    3 P
    new shoe
    1 B
    2 B
    3 B
    4 << bet

    Notice that going from an ending shoe to the new shoe we focus on the sequence number to be bet in the new shoe (1, 2, 4) rather than the sequence numbers in the setup.

    For what it is worth, these three setups made the most money on my data.
     
  3. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but use the setups I detail above. I tried just betting B in the 1, 2, 4 with no setup and it lost.
     
    Last edited: Dec 16, 2021
  4. fathead

    fathead Well-Known Member

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    Maybe this is less confusing. Just focus on the sequence number to be bet while using the specific PBB or PBBB setups listed below.

    < P
    < B
    < B
    1 <<bet

    < P
    < B
    < B
    2 << bet

    < P
    < B
    < B
    < B
    4 << bet
     
  5. violater777

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    I think I understand. Only betting 1,2,4 slots of the column, only betting 3 or 4 hole of the B streak. When a new shoe begins, use the results from the end of the last shoe, no matter when the sequence of the column ended as long as your betting the 3 or 4 hole of the B streak. Is that right?
    Been playing around with coupling it with OLD stop on first loss or ODBL stop on first loss, while waiting to play triggers of the Lapper play. What do you think?
     
  6. fathead

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    Yes, that is right.

    No advantage with OLD or ODBL, unfortunately.
     
  7. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, So bets in 1st & 4th Slot of the Column WON'T be LAPPER bets, Am I Correct,?
     

  8. violater777

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    1,2,4 slots of the column, you will be betting for the 3 or 4 hole of a Banker streak. The Lapper play is initially what I started calling this play.
     
  9. violater777

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    Hey fathead, for your 4000+testing shoes, did you get any advantage with my Player bet.
    B
    P
    B
    P
    < Bet Player here

    I have a 52 percent hit rate with my own shoes. Curious what your testing would reveal.
     
  10. fathead

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    Betting against 4 or more often is worth while.


    Betting against 4 (B B P B P bet P) was 49.67%.

    Betting against 5 (P P B P B P bet P) was 50.48%.

    Betting against 6 (B B P B P B P bet P) was 50.23%.


    Now if you bet against 4 or more (keep betting until you win) the percentages were a little better.

    Betting against 4 or more (B P B P bet P) was 50.11%.

    Betting against 5 or more (P B P B P bet P) was 50.56%
     
  11. fathead

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    I should mention that these are Player bets only and only with the B P B P setup. The Player bets I have marked in Bold.

    B P B P <start betting player> B P B P B P P

    In the above example you finally won on the fourth bet after 10 chops.

    This is excellent for a Player bet.
     
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  12. fathead

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    Here is another way to approach it.

    We are betting against 5 or more. We don't stop betting until either we win a Player bet or we see two Bankers in a row. The Player bets are marked in Bold.

    P B P B P <start betting player> P <win - stop betting>

    P B P B P <start betting player> B P <win - stop betting>

    P B P B P <start betting player> B B <loss - two bankers in a row - stop betting>

    This won at 50.44%. Also excellent for a Player bet.
     
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    Here is the profit chart for this second version.

    Violater Player Bet v2.png
     
  14. Ravinderchawla

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    Hi, this way If we do Martingale, (1,2) we Can win all chops & on PP & stop, or Lose 3 units on BB & stop, Ur Comments
     

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    It did okay, maybe a little better than flat betting but almost the same.

    P B P B P <start betting player> P <win - stop betting> +1

    P B P B P <start betting player> B P <win - stop betting> +1

    P B P B P <start betting player> B B <loss - two bankers in a row - stop betting> -3
     
  16. violater777

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    Awesome. I knew there had to be a better way to approach it. That's a good win percentage for a Player bet.
    So that I'm clear on the way you approach this.
    We're not working with columns. We're looking for 5 chops, and we end the betting sequence upon a Player win or 2 Bank wins in a row. Is this correct?
    For instance:

    P
    P
    B
    P
    B
    P
    < bet Player here until you win 1 unit or 2 Banker losses
    Is this right?
     
  17. violater777

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    Except this sequence would be a break even with flat betting. P B P B P <start betting player> B P <win - stop betting>
     
  18. violater777

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    Was also wondering if you could test this Player bet for the 5 column.
    Example:
    P
    P
    P
    B
    B
    /
    1 B
    2 B
    3< bet P here

    The situation for betting would be placing a bet on Player in the 3rd slot only if a Banker streak of 4 or more is preceding.
    Perhaps betting Player against a Banker streak of 3 or more could be profitable also. Or maybe keep betting Player in the same way as your parameters mentioned above. What do you think?
     
  19. fathead

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    You start when you first see P B P B P. Just ignore what is before it (it could be P or BB). Then bet P for up to 2 attempts. Stop when you win the P bet or lose 2 units (BB).
     
  20. fathead

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    All those lost money. Betting Player against a Banker streak loses money in general. Betting Banker against a Player streak of 4 or more does well, however.

    https://www.gamblingforums.com/threads/pppp-bet-b-update.22290/
     

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