Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

The guy's a troll.

If he really wanted to learn about Kewlj, he need only check kewlj's recent posting history and the suspension list.

No, he's just trying to stir up the shit, for no reason other than to stir it up.

The Wiz gave the troll fair warning: nothing wrong with that.

 

Well that is an assumption and a leap. Until further evidence we dont know that.
Since KJ was a valued member and a person that people looked forward to reading....it could be an innocent question by someone who infrequently visits the board.

and what if he was told what happened and he researched it and wanted to comment on the action. Is management of that business above question? Is management of any business above question by customers?

Are all infrequent visitors required to research the discussion of the suspension list thread from weeks or months ago before posing a question?

At this point he wasnt even questioning management(mods), he was asking what happened to him.

Its in its own thread so he isnt hijacking. People can choose to avoid that thread if the question is too upsetting or "shit stirring"/

thats the mentality over there....label people "trolls" for the slightest reason. A hair trigger accusation and threat of punishment

not a way to treat customers.

maybe he would have ended uo beig a troll...who knows....but you have to let the guy do the crime before rushing to judgement

 

Oh, please.

It is pretty obvious what the guy's game is.

Lurks for a couple years, no posts, then comes out swinging?

 

That brings up a great example of the paranoia over there.

If for example there was a lurker who wasnt a member, who periodically enjoyed reading kJ comments. And all of a sudden doesnt see entries by him. And has no real reason to know about suspension lists etc and doesnt want to spend the time to research.

So he registers, and asks the question.

Would you bet good money that there would be an uproar......look at this obvious trouble maker who just registered today to cause trouble.
A person who just registered today could easily be a lurker for years and therefore a good customer and just wants a question answered.

But ahhh,,,,,there are only certain questions that a newly registered member can ask without being questioned or labeled "troll".

this is horrible as a customer retention environment.

If the wizard was secure.....he wouldnt have to post the i am watching you entry.

If the munchkins were secure and werent so paranoid to protect their wizard....they would cry foul when the manboy posted that threat.

 

Did you notice how quickly the thread got hijacked with the 4 stupid pictures? And the same guy calling for a suspension like he always does. Wizard of nothing has got to be a very disturbed 12 year old who wouldn't know the truth if it hit him over the head. I have never seen such a compulsive liar. He and manboy certainly seem to have a lot in common. Where are the warnings/suspensions for the hijacking?

The poster asked a question. No one bothered to answer it. "I'll be watching you" is manboy's way of baiting when no rule was broken. Manboy is a troll...always has been. Waiting for things to escalate because he didn't like the question. Banning KewlJ has to be one of the board's biggest embarrassments. They look like complete fools.

No rules were broken so let's see where this goes. Who will the coward call upon to do his dirty work this time?

 

That didn't take long...3 day suspension from manboy himself. "I'll be watching you". Isn't that what husband of the year says as he peeks into the windows of his flophouse? Guess that's why he couldn't be located for this very important suspension.

Manboy.... everyone will be watching you the next time you try to cop a feel from one of your *cough* models.

 

he was baited into a response like that. And the response was not out of like after someone receives a threat.

go into any place of business and ask an associate where a past employee that had been fired is.....and see if the manager comes out and tells you that you will be watched. And if you tell the manager not to be snarky and grow up, you will not be thrown out of the store.

But in munchkinland filled with paranoia its the way of the world to assume the person is going to be a troll and punish in advance.

At this point there is no real new question under the sun. So do you think, anyone who comes on and asks a gambling question, they are going to research past threads and posts beforehand? Now way.; You just ask away.

So what crazy standard does this poor guy have to adhere to. He is supposed to research beforehand?

The reality is KJ was unjustly dumped. He was treated poorly. Everyone knows it. And everyone knows he was dumped in satisfy the wiz and his friend Q.

So when someone asks a question on this topic, a feeling of guilt and panic appears. A feeling of shame by munchkins who stood by and watched KJ mistreated and didnt say anything. They dont want to hear about it. And the manboy doesnt want to be exposed as a real dick. So this topic is being banned in an offhanded sort of way.

 

People do not have the RIGHT to post at WoV, it is a PRIVILEGE, the continuation of which is subject to following the forum rules.

It really IS that simple.

 

I guess with any business its a priviledge to enter the establishment .
It is not a human right to be able to make a purchase at walmart.

However businesses that believe in that culture, will fail. They attract only needy people who feel grateful to be allowed to enter.
They attract people who feel they have no value to the establishment therefore they can be treated indiscriminately.
They quiver in the corner when a neighbor is mistreated just hoping it doesnt happen to them. Making sure they walk on eggshells and compliment the appropriate folks to help ensure their future acceptance.Yeah yeah, I hear the "its a free country and businesses can treat people as they wish" within the law.
And to that I say thats great. Thats fair. And as a consumer I have the right to voice my opinion if the business is mistreating my neighbors and myself.
Profit making businesses like wov can be held to a customer service expectation as any other business that deals with people.

Yes, when someone is mistreated by management in a business like at wov, no laws are being broken. And to say people cannot complain orpoint out the mistreatment because of the "privilege" card being played is silly.

I have dealt with customer service issues for 30 years as part of management in retail, and never once did I play the privilege card.

Wov is a "for profit" venture that sells advertising, and at least partially draws people to view that advertising by having message board posters and lurkers. Therefore the posters are providing value to the traffic to the site.

In most businesses it is considered a privilege to serve customers....not the other way around. Its the customers that help provide the paychecks.
And on Wov, its the posters that help sell advertising by devoting their spare time and knowledge for free. I used the word "help" because of course articles and such also help attract visitors as well. And the advertising helps pay the salaries.

So no, the "privilege card" doesnt work for me. But thats just me.
For you, that feeling may be better suited, and I respect that,

what a great world it would have been for me if it was that easy to get a customer complaint and just throw the "its a privilege" to be in this store so please remember that.....yeah, what a wonderful world that would be.

 

Just imagine going anywhere in life with the attitude that poor customer service is easily overlooked since its a privilege to dine in a restaurant, shop at a boutique, fill up your tank at the gas station.
You are the one devoting your time and money in visiting these establishments, yet you cant have reasonable customer service expectations.

The lousy server at a restaurant is no big deal because as long as the owner of the restaurant doesnt break any laws,he/she can prohibit your entrance. If the manager doesnt like your tie, your shoes, your laugh....those are non protected items. So dont rock the boat, the server sucked but just be happy that you were allowed to enter initially....and werent asked ot leave anytime during the meal. You should feel,indebted to management for letting you enjoy the privilege

 

They run "a tight ship" in order to keep things on an even keel.

The 'net is littered with boards that imploded due to trolling, bickering, feuding etc.

Hello, GG.

Look, I "get it" that you guys aren't happy about being given the old heave ho, but ask yourself this: "Did I deserve it?"

Larry, you were confrontational and accusatory prior to being banned: I understand why he did it.

Right or wrong, it was "for the good of the order."

You have to prune branches to keep the tree healthy.

 

So predictable. Ernestmiddle is now in red. But not before 90 posts over 30 days. So predictable...nothing on the suspension list explaining that it was Buzzard under one of his several dozen returns. Swept under the rug. He just turned up red. No offending posts or anything. Someone over there should ask what happened. The answer should be interesting.

We all see what's going on. This isn't about Buzzard. He's not a bad guy and I would let him post as long as he wants. I can choose to read him or not. He posts mostly nonsense but does have moments of clarity where he can be interesting.

No, this is about Zuga who dared to ban their precious Buzzard. Manboy and his 2 cohorts will never forgive him for that. Allowing Buzzard to post at will is their way of telling Zuga...we don't take you seriously... you are a joke...we don't respect or even recognize you...we will tell you how to act and what to think. Buzzard will post until we say he can't.

The thing is they don't have the guts to come out and say it so they resort to their cowardly games. Stay tuned... Buzzard will be back soon under another name with the full blessing of manboy and his miscreants.

 

being confrontational and accusatory is in the eyes of the beholder and is not in violation of rules.Just as trolling is in the eyes of the beholder, insult is in the eyesof the beholder. Just as breaking a truce, or not paying a bet is not in the rules.(although trolling and insults are in the rules If I was confrontational and accusatory on the right side of an issue it would be just fine. In the end it comes down to being on the right side of an opinion. Millions of trees in the forest grow just fine without being pruned. The most beautiful redwoods have not been pruned for 100 years.
If anyone looks at my last posts and can find something worhty of nuking please bring it to my attention. Even the manboy cant give a reason for my nuking. So go ahead mt v. Its very easy to find my last post . Just cut and paste the words that were so egregious. And defend that it wasnt simply being on the wrong side of an issue.

 

Larry, you were nuked for the good of the order.

Reviewing your posts, toward the end you focused on how you felt the board's business model was flawed.

The Wiz had posted prior to that to the effect it's his board, his rules, and if you don't like it, get out.

You kept drilling home the point you wanted to make, and it just got tiresome.

He threw you out because he felt that you and your views were like a cancer to the board: you were relentless in trying to announce and validate your opinions, while denigrating those of others, claiming that they weren't cogent enough.

In the end, you just didn't play well with the others.

 

again its being on the wrong side of an issue. Relentless??? Possibly 3-4 posts.
I pointed out in the wake of the begging by manboy that this was a business with customers rather than mikes living room or "home". This was the antithesis of what was being portrayed and wasnt popular.
It is "relentless" when you are on the wrong side of an issue. It is a point that could have been debated to its conclusion. But I only got 3-4 posts in before being nuked. And those 3-4 posts were a give and take with someone commenting and me responding. It wasnt 4 posts in a row crying for attention with no response from others. It was actually an exchange where I seemed to be winning and if not winning, at least making a valid point that others might agree with.

And if you say, that its in the best interest of the site for me not to win such a debate, and its self preservation to nuke people with unpopular views in order to avoid getting others to feel that the unpopular view has credibility....then thats fine. Thats what Patrick has done. He too cannot defend the indefensible so he chooses to censor and his board has lost alot of posters.
And manboy runs his board the same way, with similar results. A decreasing member visit pattern.
The proof is in the numbers. He has the right to punish based on viewpoint and people have the right to complain and leave.

So the results speak for themselves. I rarely talk about myself. Nor does freddy or LP9.We are usually talking about how our neighbors are mistreated rather than dwelling on ourselves. However you brought me up so I did respond on the topic.

However I know I wasnt unique. Many times since I was gone, there have been equally unjustified punishments to others. Including KJ, and the guy this week that was given 30 days after 3 days for a first punishment wasnt viewed as harsh enough obviously because the guy was simply on the wrong side of an issue. It is so clear, and it occurs more and more because the trees have been pruned.

But you know what. Sometimes when you prune the trees too much, and take away the shade, the flowers beneath die when they are fried by the sun. And all you are left with are fucking boring trees.

 

Maybe he thought you were like a termite, digging into and attacking the foundation.

 

As with patrick, if you feel the foundation is shaky, you have to take extreme measures to stabilize it.
Patrick did the same thing as the manboy. He though all he needed were his yes men who stood on the side while he punished people who had differing views.
The yes men who just wanted to be accepted by someone. The yes men who would defend the right side of the issues no matter what. The yes men who were too happy to just have a clique of like minded. A safe haven for people on the right side of issues.People who feel a board is not the place for lively conversation because sometimes the "other side' seems to win....and that cannot happen.
So how did that work out for him. No lively conversation, and even his yes men are gone.
The manboy who oversees a similar business has the same philosophy. As long as he has his fearful yes men, he can stablize what he must feel is a shaky foundation.
So how has that been working out for him. Even EB has proclaimed that he doesnt post as much anymore and its a boring site.

The numbers tell the story....as member visits are significantly down. And the arbitrary punishments in the name of saving the foundation continue.

As I said before I would never post there again even if there is amnesty. So my comments here are more being a good consumer and good citizen and backing my neighbors in the community of humanity rather than a cry of complaint about myself.

Being able to win a debate is sometimes categorized as being "relentless". However I was nuked after beng "relentless" for 3-4 posts. Not exactly what I would view as unrelenting.

But just as in patrick, the people that remain are the fearful, koolaide drinkers who would not step out of line.Lively debate is not as prevalent as it used to be. Patrick had a smaller base to start with of his fearful koolaide drinkers who needed to belong.......so when they started to leave....it was very evident the site was dead.

Wov has a larger group of petrified koolaide drinkers and therefore the decline is not as evident as with patrick. But the decline is real and substantial to the point where it effects the quality of the debates and the attractiveness of visiting or participating in the site.

And THATS what I am commenting on

Your premise that my commentary here is all about me me me, and why I I I was nuked, is flawed. Its not that at all. I accept the ban.
And since I would never post here while I was a member in good standing there and throw stones from a distance. I actually can be more direct here when talking about the inequities over there.So I am actually happier with the way things are now. I have the best of both worlds. I can visit there if I need information and I can openly post here about this topic. And when I post here, I dont have to answer the question "why dont you be a man and post directly over there". The answer is I did and cant.

From the massive views of this thread, I am thinking it strikes a chord with people. And folks that think I have no basis to think what I post just wont come back. But people keep coming back. People are attracted to this discussion. so there must be a ring of truth to it...or else it would have been dismissed outof hand

 

Wow. I just had to sign up to comment on this.

All the previous pages required a lot of energy and effort. Yous may be correct, but they (WOV) made a choice. Do yourselves a favor and move on. Figure out how to make some money!!!!!! (or at least have fun gambling)

 

Just as people who post on wov....it requires time and effort on their part.

This isnt work. This is fun.

this isnt merely just angry people venting. Freddy, me, LP9 are having fun exposing the hypocrisy and the mismanagement while defending our brothers.

You are on the other side of the issue it seems. Those are the people that do not debate the specifics and just say get a life.

However if I had a thread about how wonderful wov was, I doubt anyone would be telling me to get a life.

it all revolves around what side of the issue one is on

 

Yep, a lot of blow hards wasting time on WOV. And from the little I've read, they sure have their Jr High School clicks.

I hope you enjoy what you're doing. I don't what to stop you from that. If it's not a negative for you, then keep going.

I aint on no side. My life is good.