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Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by LovePotion9, Sep 5, 2015.

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  1. Blackhole

    Blackhole Active Member

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    My above post wouldn't post and said waiting for approval. It eventually posted but wondering why I had to wait for approval.
     
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  2. Admin Team

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    Because you are a new user and it contained a link. Posts from new users that contain links get automatically moderated and require manual approval to reduce Spam. That's why you will rarely see any Spam here since spammers normally sign up to create 1 post with a link to whatever they are selling and then leave. Our members don't see any of that Spam since it gets caught automatically by our filter.
     
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  3. Blackhole

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    Thank you for that information. Just copied that crap not realizing link would come with it. Won't happen again.
     
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  4. Admin Team

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    Links are fine as long as they are not to a commercial site (e.g. nothing is being sold). Our members can indirectly promote things they are selling via their Signatures. More info here.
     
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  5. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    You make a distinction between someone who uses the term
    ..jabba.the the whale as not being the target of your comments. I personally find that to be equally acceptable as my Beached whale term. However you make distinctions.which proves it's all a matter of personal taste and or hypocrisy.
    Also what people "are" can help explain how they act. The actions of the wiz is that of a manboy.whether it's posing with half naked women or waving a tin cup (which you deemed unmanly) or giggling over someone vomiting nuggets. .it explains his actions. So instead of inserting into commentary of his actions that the actions are an ex ample of what a childish socially backward immature person who has no feeling for consequences ...It's easier to just say "manboy". A boy like person who when picked on in life goes home and punishes people on the internet...just as a child might go home and friends ants under a magnifying glass. Just now a more sophisticated magnifier is used. So manboy is much easier to type.so much less wordy.

    And after far as typical bitter woman with no self respect....how can we expect her to have respect for others. Her uneven punishment is an example of her lot in life. Her need to be on the good side of her wizards borders on pathetic neediness. And her actions bear it out. Qfit/ got a warning from her but he ignored her and she did nothing so that she could please her master. An independent woman with self respect would have done what she would do to 99 percent of other members. What she is....explains what she does.
    Hence the nicknames.
    They put the actions in proper context.
    They are not just mere namecalling. There is a method and reasoning .
    You personally may not like the method and reasoning....you may have other sensibilities like calling members of wov jackals..muchkins...Kool aid drinkers from a distance. Or infer someone has a specific mental illness in a poll on wov but that's your taste. You seem to be able to pick and choose without being a hypocrite ...good for you
     
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  6. SSSSteve

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    Bingo
     
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  7. Blackhole

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    A relativity new guy “gary55” looks like he’s getting under the pros skin over there. He’s not calling anyone out like I did, but his days have to be numbered.

    Then there are comments like this made from one of the top money earners there to this “gary55” fellow. “There is a way to beat every single game in the casino, but no one on here is going to share those details =). I'd invite you to search old threads and study on how to beat blackjack, slots, VP, and other table games.”

    Maybe instead of a donation, this guy should have gotten a hold of the great one and showed him the light before he started begging. All that information was already available on his own site. These people don't think before they talk. It’s this type of lying bullshit nonsense that confirms who said it is a complete misleading moron. Does this guy realize multi billion dollar casinos still exist? Do these select few really believe their partners on the goose that lays the golden eggs? These guys should work for the CIA. They could keep a better secret then what goes on at “area 54”.
     
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  8. Blackhole

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    Above post should end in "area 51" Type error and don't know how to go back and fix it.
     
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  9. KewlJ

    KewlJ Well-Known Member

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    My friend Mickey....I understand your frustration, but I hope this is just your emotions fueled by a little 'firewater' getting the best of you. Let's not get crazy here. Hopefully with the light of a new day you will re-think this post before it gets you into trouble.

    Obviously their are many forms of AP in today's world. My bread and butter, which is to say the majority of my AP income and arsenal comes from good old fashion, 20th century card counting, making me what some say is a bit of a dinosaur (and that's ok with me). Employing card counting in 2016 is much more about modest limits, playing under the radar and finding limits that are somewhat tolerated and being able to play, more than anything else and I have tried to show that through my experiences, so I am glad that comes through.

    I appreciate your "honest" comment because I have tried to honestly share all my experience, the good the bad and the ugly. Not just sharing the bright spots like an amazing 5 week run a couple years ago that netted me 115K (the rest of the year was basically a push at BJ as I won 118k for the year) or an amazing shoe back in 2011 where I won about a third of my years earning in one 'hot' shoe, but also the 6 month losing periods that can drain all your enthusiasm, energy and emotion. I shared 2014 where my BJ earnings were about a third of expectation and in the neighborhood of what someone at McDonalds makes (before the $15 minimum wage). I shared my very early years of 30 grand in earnings over my first 3 years....that was 30 thousand total, not average....again McDonald's wages. So I glad that it comes through that I have tried to share all my experiences, both good and bad.

    The "rock star" comment confuses me. I don't think anyone views me as a rock star....at least that's not my take. I don't feel like a rock star. I am not welcome at the casinos. I am not welcome on the message boards. :(
     
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    You are welcome here, as are all gamblers. Consider this a safe haven where you can express your thoughts and ideas on any gambling topic without repercussions, no matter how controversial. We truly are uncensored.
     
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  11. Blackhole

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    I'm sorry if that "rock star" comment was taken sadly the way it does sound. You are truly one of the only AP's I believe are having long term success. I think your longevity at this game probably should give you "rock star" status. In my opinion reading your honest posts is refreshing and good for newbie young blood who recently discovered gambling and have thoughts of beating the system. Not the endless misleading nonsense of living the dream in the fast lane many other sites want to pretend exist for their own personal dire needs.
     
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  12. Mickey Crimm

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    Yeah, you're right, KewlJ. I was on the firewater last night. I got to thinking about my name being on a wall of shame and the more I drank and thought about it the more pissed off I got. But the good news, KJ, is I don't even own a gun. I guess I would just have to bitch slap him instead. LOL!
     
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  13. KewlJ

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    Excellent Mickey Crimm!

    There is something kind of weird and creepy about Mike going out of his way to attempt to shame people. The whole over moderation of the site, the way suspensions are handled and the great pleasure that Mike takes in all that, definitely says something about his need to put others down and his own insecurities. That and the way that he refuses to even address member's concerns about the way he handles things is very off putting. That is just a total lack of respect for the members. It just screams that he thinks he is so above everyone else.

    The more I deal with Mike, the odder and more insecure a person I find him to be. Yes, I have been 'dealing with him' again in recent days, having some discussions, which again ended badly yesterday with him flying off the handle, and suspending my account at his Diversity site, which we had been using to communicate via PM. He is a hot head with a very short temper. I too am sometimes a hot head a react badly before I take the time to take a breath, so I can relate. But it is just not what I expected from Mike.

    Anyway, I probably will have more to say and share about our recent discussions in coming days, but I am going to hold off on that for now. There are some things 'pending', that I want to give a chance to play out, although I don't expect anything to come of them.
     
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  14. Wizardofnothing

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    Hey kewl. I'm told there is something that is beyond mikes control I can't put it out on here but you can email me at


    I
     
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  15. LovePotion9

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    great point........totally forgot he's been calling people names liek that for years on GG
    so those names are OK but names like "beached whale" are off limits?
    something that hypocritical comes right out the Wov playbook.........................

    V also said:

    " it's just that it is a more impressive accomplishment to cogently critique one's ideas......"​

    umm............we do that too....where the hell has he been for the past 48 pages??
    this thread is full of cogent arguments about WoV that no one has refuted..........................he needs to read them
     
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  16. Mickey Crimm

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    Trying to explain scientific gambling to Alan Mendelson is what led to him banning me from his site. I was trying to explain a technique I used years ago on IGT machines that were made before 2000. He started calling me crazy, stupid, ignorant, all kinds of names over it. I finally got enough of it and called him a dense prick. Boom!!! Down came the ban hammer. LOL!

    This is what I was trying to explain to him. If you have any machine playing experience at all you have probably heard a clicking sound coming from inside a machine when you hit a big pay. That's the sound of the coin-out meter clicking up the number of coins you hit for.

    Take a look at my avatar and you will see an IGT Vision Series slot called Diamond Thief. This is an exploitable game. On the reels there is a position above the line, the position on the line, and the position under the line. At the top of the machine on the LED screen you will see a valise with some diamonds in it. There are nine sections in the valise and nine positons on the reels. When a Diamond Symbol lands in the screen there will be a diamond placed into the corresponding section in the valise. It takes six diamonds to fill up a section. When you fill in the entire valise you will get a bonus that averages about 100 coins.

    So the trick to this game is you only play it when you find it with not many diamonds to go to get the bonus. The question is....how many diamonds to go makes it a positive play? My answer to that is it depends on what I know about that particular machine.

    It was a secret not many knew. On the IGT three reelers made before 2000 the coin-in/coin-out meters were located just to the right and a little bit back from the third reel. You could look though the screen and see the meters. I never leave home without a 3 by 5 inch pocket notebook and a pen. I would write the meters down and clock them. It would generally take a couple of months to get enough stats. On these Diamond Thiefs, and the Wild Cherry Bonus Pies which were the same game as Diamond Thief, just a different theme, it only took about 100,000 coin in to tell me what I needed to know about the machine.

    First of all, hand pays were not recorded in the coin-out meters. But the only hands pays on this game were for three diamond symbols on the line (frequency 360,000) and for three diamond symbols in the screen with two coins bets (frequency about 100,000). So the hand pays represented very little of the payback.

    Using the coin-in/coin-out meters, if a machine was showing a 92% return I would play it if I found it needing five or six diamonds to fill in the valise. If a machine was showing 88% I wouldn't play it unless I caught it needing 3 diamonds or less to fill in the valise. If a machine was showing 97% (very rare) I would playing it needing 15 diamonds to go.

    This isn't the entire strategy but it is the basic strategy.

    There were other IGT slots where this technique was highly effective. Anyways, I explained all this to Mendelson and he told me that tracking the coin-in/coin-out meters was totally useless, that there was nothing to be gained from it, and that I was totally stupid for doing it, and he went on and on about it too. That's when I called him a dense prick. And that's how I got banned off his forum. LOL!
     
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  17. Mickey Crimm

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    Hey, Shack, my man! We caught you lurking this site, didn't we? Don't worry, Shack. You have nothing to fear from me. I've never owned a firearm in my life. In the old days of riding trains I wore steel-toed boots and carried a ballpeen hammer. The reason for the ballpeen was the cops had a hard time construing it as a weapon. I live in Montana and you live in Nevada. I haven't left the northwest in over 8 years. I plan to die here without ever leaving this most hallowed of places. Now go on back over to your ass kissers on WoV.
     
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    Hey MC, one question: Both EB and I have noted your seemingly remarkable ability to post coherently while drunk.

    To what do you attribute this remarkable feat?
     
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  19. freddy

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    Why are you dealing with that sub-human at all? Everything you said about him is true. Do you want to go back? Why would you? No judgement if you do...but why? Aren't you afraid that he'll identify you to the casinos just for spite?

    They can scream integrity till the cows come home but the guy has none. Zero. Nada. (That last one in honor of all the Spanish hookers that he just happens to meet). Yeah, we know. He hires them as tour guides.

    KewlJ, you certainly did get a lot of support but there are many others that never should have been banned. What about them? If you are invited back should that open the door for others? Not everyone pulls a Buzz and returns 50 or 60 times. Should that count for something? Not really a fair comparison...they invite Buzz back as a not so subtle message to the owners.

    Most now realize that a narcissist will never admit to being wrong and a sick, twisted narcissist cannot be reasoned with. Good luck with whatever you are attempting.
     
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  20. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    I am back now from a nice weekend, wow, re-reading my posts I see that posting from a cell phone with autocorrecting of words surely canmake one 's comments seem incomprehensible.

    Anyway KewlJ, yes from the beginning on this thread I have used the term "socially backward" for the manboy and 3 of his mods. Having 4 socially backward people in charge of a businesses customer service spells disaster for any business.

    Unlike freddy, I personally dont care to see the manboy apologize or change in any way since I would never go back and support a business that lets my neighbors be mistreated repeatedly. I am content to get my tub of popcorn and watch from a distance and comment. Watch the destruction unfold. Destruction not caused by me, but destruction carried out by the socially backward management who provide poor customer service.
    They read this board, and know that the success of any business is customer retention.....and customer retention is directly tied to customer service where customers feel valued.
    What the fuck do they do there to make their customers feel valued? What do they proactively do to make sure they retain customers? The answer is nothing.
    The mentality over there is that management holds all the cards, and management provides value to people, and the people are valueless...just "takers". However by spending time and effort, and sharing expertise...the members do provide value. Its just that it is not recognized by management. I was booted when I introduced the concept that wov is a business and members were customers. That didnt go over well. That concept was scary to management and to the members who enjoy punishment in the name of "running a tight ship".

    So thanks KJ,for backing up my comments about lost member visits over time....The researched numbers you indicated jive with the numbers from memory I have been posting for many months now. Its nice to have the verification.
     
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