Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

anyone remember when Jabba said that 1BB made "slimy-toned" posts?
even rdw4potus called her on that personal attack

http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/3853-discussion-about-the-suspension-list/502/#post427873

 

I agree with Kewlj that unsubstantiate rumors are a waste of time

for the record I never accused STeve Urkel of having a gamblig problem.....

 

One thing I do notice. Those who come over here never take up the arguments laid out by KewlJ over there. If we are going to use the word pussy, this is where it should be applied.

 

gay
wife beater
child abuser
tax cheat
drug addict
child molester


now that is funny...need I say more

 

Sorry to go back a few pages, but I must have missed this when it was posted. According to this site WoV has traffic of 120,000/month, down from over 180,000 month, just back in February. That is roughly the same 33% decrease that I witnessed when I compared member visits from a year ago. The boys at Latest Casino Bonuses can paint it any way they want, but the numbers don't lie....the site is in major decline.

Funny, I was suspended in February and banned in March and traffic has declined each month since. But that's not my point. At the current reduced 120,000/month, that is 4000 views per day. That 4000 views per day is really 200-220 members visiting numerous times daily, (10-15) times throughout the day. To look at that number of 4000 visitors per day (120,000 per month) is just a pipe dream. The site has 200-220 visitors a day and is on the decline.

With a thread with my name (handle) as the title, which is has been one of the top threads for a month since it was started and is now 25 pages long and growing, I feel like I am contributing to that traffic and I wish I wasn't. And before the "KewlJ" thread it was the "discussion about the suspension list 2" thread that dominated top thread status, with much of the conversation centered around me and my situation. I was kicked off that site 3 months ago and yet I am the main topic of discussion still. Just imagine where these declining numbers would be if they weren't so consumed with me.

Plus, I just love guys talking trash about me 24/7, changing facts, making up things, to which I can't respond. That is such a quality thing to do. It's also funny how I am now the villain. People now question who I am. Want me to show documentation as "prove". Yeah, like any AP is going to do that. I guess I am now on trial. Axel who knows damn right well I am who I say, recently listed me in his list of "trolls" with some other names from this site, suggesting I live in my mother's basement. Funny, he never doubted who I was before, only now that I can't respond. Real class.

They get that from their leader. And I mean that literally. I mean you have a site, that is over-moderated, that takes action like Mickey describes as the "wall of shame", suspending and banning members at the drop of a hat, for minor things and then try to shame them by putting their name in red and on the big board, you send a signal that bullying is acceptable. It's ok to kick someone while they are down and can't fight back. That's what bullies do. It's ok to verbally vilify and lie about members that can't respond. Bully mentality.

 

WOW … This whole thing is getting weird. I’ll refrain from posting my assumptions and opinions from Kiwlj’s last post. No need to give more ammo to people who will post that I’m the fk’ed up one here for having rational (at least in my views) opinions.

I think it’s at least fair to say at this point that gambling AP’s appear to be a weird bunch. Kewlj, it’s okay, we still love you regardless what happened. Relax, everything will be okay. Get a massage, helps relieve the tension.

 

You are free to post whatever you like, blackhole. Btw...maybe if you washed your butt......

I don't gamble, so I am not sure what a "gambling AP" is. But I think it is fair to say that AP's and especially professional AP's are weird individuals. Most that I know, I would characterize as 'introvert' types or loners. Almost all solo type (as opposed to team) BJ players that I have met, fit this characterization. Spending most of their time alone feeds right into that. Usually a small circle of close friends, if that. And often trust issues.

And I include myself in this characterization, with a very small group of friends. And before I had my current small circle of friends/family, I was even more of a loner. I have twice picked up, moved thousands of miles away, leaving friends behind to start a new life, where I knew nobody. That's a loner.

 

My online screen name "Blackhole" was a universe reference. Not sure why you felt it necessary to bring up my ass, but that wasn't my thinking when I choose that name.

 

It was a joke! (hense the wink).

 

When people are uncomfortable with the truth they seem to go into "detectiive" mode.
They never intend to address the issues, and would rather fog the discussion with attacking the poster.
Is LarryS really some other poster, why wont freddy meet me, KJ took buses to AC....all nonsense fogging techniques.
The claim that everyone claims the manboy is sick gambler is another fogging generalization which is also untrue.

So where does it leave these people. You still have the wagons circled on the other site, not talking about the allegations made here by KJ....but rather talking about how come he and others wont meet. Mentions of KJ being homeless at one point in his life.
But the point that the manboy wasnt being honest when he would claim how hard he worked to get KJ back.....in the light of the claim by KJ that he(kj) was the one who worked hard to contact the manboy. It was the manboy who acted in a petty manner. Even Beached whale defended her hero seemingly without knowing the behind the scenes truth.

And after seeing beached whale twist in the wind with her attempted spanking of Mr V ...NO ONE...is asking specific questions of the manboy that were presented here directly from KJ. Why not?

The manboy talks alot about "transparency" ....he uses that word to describe why he has the suspension list.

Yet he has not been very transparent in explaining himself about KJ and others. He thinks just throwing something up on a "list" is the definition of "transparency "

Of course that is not the case.

Explain why someone was banned for allegedly not paying off a private bet
Explain why someone appears on the suspension list as being nuked without a reason given
Explain why QFIT disrespected one of your mods by ignoring a request to stop whining....and he ignored it.....and never punished
Explain why its mentally soothing for you to go suspend people when you are "in a bad mood"
Explain why "dont let the door hit you in the ass on the way out"....is proper customer service conduct
Explain why in the light of this behavior, you dont address why the visits are down...be transparent
Explain why, while you were negotiating a sale.....you allowed a post asking for money to remain up. Even if the negotiations started after the initial offering.....no excuse.....be transparent and tell us why the post was not taken down even up to the day of the announcement of the sale.

So be transparent.

But the people there wont insist on the transparency ...they wont ask the questions I ask.

Maybe because they know if they did..there would be retaliation. After all if KJ can be thrown off....with all his value....certainly idiots like axel could be gone tomorrow . They sense that and are petrified.
Its safer to bring up bus rides to atlantic city.....yeah thats the ticket.

 

Yes that was just another customer service disaster.

All BB1 was saying is that buzz was allowed to needle zuga day after day. Anyone else would have been punished or just even reprimanded. Yet because buzz was a "favorite" of the beached whale and others, they let him go off. And Zuga got tired of being the target of a poster that had a long long leash....and he took matters in his own hands. He did what the mods wouldnt do.
And for nicely pointing out that if Buzz was treated equally by the mods, he could still be around today....that was considered ":slimey".

How dare someone point out the obvious.

All you heard from beached whale is that buzz is a nice guy, he didnt mean to be insulting,...blah blah blah...she can gauge intent.
Just like Bluechoys "intent" was gauged as harmfull when he asked where is KJ?

the mods there are just a clusterfuck of uneven behavior. People who feel they can gauge "intent" and then moderate based on that opinion.

 

I didn't have the dice thing in mind. In that regard, I would say that perhaps the gang at the Wiz's goes a tad overboard. You can talk about weird dice theories and the like w/o being misguided or sick (BBB). I liked it when you thought of a new dice bet. It was good because it was a first step off the plank over there. The first step in a million year journey into understanding physical randomness. (Whether we're around in a millions years doesn't matter to the realization that by then, nothing will be random. Don't want to get into a big discourse about this, it's an extension of problems similar people or whatever on other planets. (Short answer, there has to be because of the size of the universe and its contents, but at the same time, then it should be all around us by now.))

My beef here is that gambling math people, lawyers and like, go around fanning the flames of the degenerates, and Shackleford's, who post stories of great ongoing success. Anyone who has pursued such to any degree quickly learns that they always have another excuse or left-turn when the last one wears thin. Those bets to see who's who rarely happen, or are set up under the most outrageous or silly of terms. Lawyers and scientists are fooled all the time by these guys. Uri Geller had the best ones in the land fooled for some time until The Amazing Randi straightened them out. Same for Carson, Geller couldn't do the spoon, etc, stuff anymore then.

In general, you seem to want want the forums to have a legal structure. However, the internet turned out to be a middle-class phenomenon. People who quickly "sniffed each other out", and cast out the poorer folks, and the few intellectuals who had the time to show up. All this reputation and decorum business regarding self-identity. Call it NIMBY or snobbery. Like Survivor, the tendency is for the extremes to be voted off. Except here, where there are no "immunity awards". Look at what happened to the teliot's over there. Not too much love from the hoi polloi. (Only a degree of friction between them and Mike & co. who tried to accommodate them as best they could.) And, people like Hawking who are in the thick of new physics and math don't spend time in public forums. Anywhere.

I know you don't care much for the poor, most of whom don't have or make much use of a computer in some form, anyway. Sometimes, though, it's wise to mix it up; and with others, to not talk to people on your level at all. Are the "wife beaters" not supposed to say anything? If not on the open internet, then where? Now's your chance to help them out.

 

DeMango: WoV join date 2/2/10
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Apply away.

 

good point

 

After recently 'railing' against 'speculative opinions' without proof, I am going to take a stab at it. Hey it's ok, on this site, right?

So Billryan on WoV. Join date Nov 2, 2009. Makes 3 posts on Nov 15, 2009. Then disappears for 6 years 6 months until he 'pops' up in a thread entitled "KewlJ", where his first post is an attempt to smear my name bringing up the fake death incident many years ago on another site that was previously discussed.

I compare that with Qfit, who also joined WoV in the early days back in Feb 2010. Posted 9 times in a couple weeks, then disappeared for 5 years and 9 months until he re-appears for the sole purpose of attacking me, smearing my name and getting his friend Shackleford to either silence my opinion, or ban me, of which Mike tried the first and then did the second.

Now I am not definatively stating that Billryan is Qfit. But if Qfit wanted to return and continue bad mouthing me, it would be difficult to do under his Qfit handle , credibility-wise at this point. Qfit is very knowledgeable about proxy alternative IP addresses and that kind of stuff, that is like a foreign language to me, that would allow him to do so, undetected by the great IP sleuths at WoV. Or it could be one of his current site members/followers that think of him as a cult god.

Of course there is also the possibility that these seemingly identical circumstances are a co-incidence. Admittedly there were a number of folks upset with me back in the day over the fake death thing that I recently explained. Some are holding a grudge which I fully understand. Maybe some are lying in wait 5, 6 or 7 years to take their snip at me.

 

Oh wow, I hadn't even read the post by Fisk (above) concerning Demango, before posting my 'speculative opinion'. The plot thickens.

 

Kewlj. Shack handled it wrong - I plainly stated that- the rest of the nonsense in hear is just stupid
Can't something just be negotiated back at Wov so everyone else in this forum can just sit and go back to living in their moms basement

 

You would have to talk to the great and powerful Oz about that Wizofnot. That bridge now seems a pile of ashes. Some my doing, mostly Oz's doing. Just a couple short weeks ago, I still had a desire to return to WoV, where I enjoyed contributing for 4+ years and there are still a lot of folks that I enjoyed interacting with.

Although Mike engaged in discussions, it has become clear he never really wanted to work something out that was really fair to me and move forward. He might have allowed me back if he could say I came crawling back. He wanted me to jump through hoops and apologize for this and that. And of course it had to have Qfit's approval.....Qfit who isn't even a member of the site, but yields this strange power over Mike. And even then it was going to be this great probationary thing, where everything I said was over scutinized and everything was 'eggshells'.

But that desire is really gone at the moment. That's not to say that couldn't change in the future, but I honestly don't see how that could happen.

And now it's time to head to work. The blackjack gods have been smiling the past week or so and I am hoping that continues for a bit before they once again, turn fickle on me.

 

You're kidding. You leave the door open to possibly going back and once again being at the mercy of a QFIT arrival out of nowhere.
You claim that the manboy has been dishonest in dealing with you, and dishonest in his recounts of the facts. And according to you, this dishonest person is heavily influenced by QFIT who follows you around to do nothing but damage to your reputation.

So you say your lack of appetite to go back to wov could change??????

Hmmmmmmmm

I am starting to question your original assessment of the situation....I dont think you believe it.

Because if youdid believe what you claim.....there is no way a rational person would put themselves in the position to have it happen again. There is no way a rational person would want to put themselves at the whims and mercy of a dishonest man, and the man(who dislikes you)that stands behind him and pulls the strings.

 

Larry you are a total crumb