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Why? Did I say something incorrect? Didnt he say manboy was dishonest. and that QFit came out of nowhere to do his reputation harm. Didnt he say that manboy is heavily influenced by Qfit.?

So I asked a logical question. Why would any sane person put themselves in a position where those 2 were in control.

Is asking logical questions, something a crumb would do?

 

Why are you guys rambling on about a forum that barely any of you are members in good standing?? Are these forums that important to you??
Also since there seems to be a core group of you why not start up your own forum make it productive and then show WoV how it's done.
Otherwise you're starting jerking each other off with accusations, like a bunch of old cunts on a park bench

 

Manboy-MR integrity, Mr transparency has closed the KewlJ thread. Censorship at it's worse. An overwhelming amount of his own followers condemned his actions against KewlJ so, coward that he is, he runs and hides.

Will anyone call him on it? Doubtful. They're terrified of getting banned.

 

Okay, I know a little about Shackleford, but not any intimate stuff from board interactions. Rather than draw my own conclusions, I'll just come out and ask, "Why is manboy such a popular handle for him?"

 

I have only joined this forum for a short time (actually at the recommendation of DeMango) and have been at WoV for over a year (although I have not been posting much). I believe that even though the traffic is declining at WoV, they still have some very good posts. I am always looking to learn about any and all aspects of gambling so that's why I joined. It seems like over here, other than the MC slot thread, there are less postings about the different games (plays, observations, betting styles, etc) and more about name callings, accusations, etc.
That's just my 2 cents.

 

whodat

I agree there are people over there that dont know or dont care how their neighbors are treated. People here do care and on this single thread we have our say. If people dont like it...there are hundreds of other opportunities to post on this board.

I dont care if a website has some nice posts if my neighbors are treated like shit there by management

Over here, its a newish site and the management allows gamblers to talk like gamblers talk in real life. You cant compare the quantity of posts here to a site that is over 10 years old.

But you can compare management

It seems people with self respect are leaving that site as management continues to act out their psycho-dramas

Others stay because they look the other way, or they dont have a clue

Doesnt matter to me which category you are in...................enjoy.

 

because he is the age of a man but has the social skills of a boy

 

Larry,

I am beginning to understand some of the frustrations that you are talking about. Boz just got suspended there not because he opened a new thread about "why did the KJ thread got closed" but because he "insinuated that you and Freddy (aka 1BB ?) may be right about the Wiz. It does not mean that I agree with all the name callings and insults about the members there--In fact I don't agree with it--but to each his own.
I normally read more than post but I felt compelled to voice my opinion over there(in a non-insulting way of course) as to why things are so uptight.

 

Larry, I am a person who believes the more options you have the better off you are in life and I try to put myself in a position to have as many options as possible. I try to never slam a door closed. You never know what circumstances or opportunities tomorrow or next week or next year may bring.

I have repaired relationships more damaged than this one before. After I was kicked out of home at 18 by my stepfather, I left Florida to start a new life and had no contact with my immediate family, my Mother, My stepfather, My younger brother for over a decade.

Today my brother lives with me and the two years that he has lived with me since he graduated college, have been probably the happiest of my life because he has been a part of it. It was easy to repair with him, because we were never at odds. Unfortunately, he being a young boy at the time, was just caught up in the middle.

But I have also repaired a very damaged relationship with my mother after 12 years. When she divorced my stepdad last year and wanted to start a new life, I helped move her to Las Vegas and helped her get settled in a 50+ community, minutes from my home, so she could be near my brother and I. And I see here almost every day and we are good friends and I love her. And that relationship was pretty damaged, so it can be done.

And while I was unable to repair my relationship with my stepfather, I can honestly say that I twice made a sincere effort to do so in the final year of his marriage to my Mother. He wanted no part of that so it didn't happen.

I am not comparing my situation with Mike, to that of my family, but I am just saying relationships, even very damaged relationships can be repaired, if both parties are willing and wanting to grow and move forward. There has been no indication so far that both parties here, were ever interested in that.

Perhaps my relationship with Mike is past that point of return as my relationship with my stepfather was. I honestly don't know. I do Know that Wattenberger and I far past that point of no return. I am just saying I try to keep the door cracked open as long as possible.

You asked why I would ever consider returning to WoV? Not for Shackleford. I didn't join the site because of him. Barely knew who he was at the time and I wouldn't return because of him. As a matter of fact because we live in such close proximity, I have seen him 'around' 4 times in the last couple years and haven't even bothered to introduce myself. I wouldn't return to prove a point, or claim victory or to renew a feud. I would “consider” returning for one reason and one reason only... because I enjoyed my participation there before this incident.

 

Looks like all hell has broken lose at the house of the rising Wiz in the last 6 hours while I have been out.

It's funny, in my last private message with Mike last week, the one that he took as this big threat and reversed course and did a complete 180 in a matter of minutes, what I said to him was that this situation wasn't going to go away. The membership would continue to bring it up every few weeks. It isn't for a love of me that these guys are demanding answers, although I am sure he blames me.

It really is all about him and his actions and his handling of the situation. That is why he has lost them. Impartial people (members of his own site) have seen the injustice and just want him to answer as to why. But he believes he is above that. He answers to nobody! He has ignored them for months now and now he has lost or is losing the respect of even some of his biggest fans. In other words, he has shown his true colors and now there is no where to hide. It's never to late to be a real man Mr. Shackleford! Try this on for size: I was wrong and I am sorry!

 

wow just read Big Bad Boz post on Wov.........I never expected a post like that from Boz!
BIG PROPS TO BOZ!!!!

if you're reading this Boz I misjudged you so I apologize
I'm gald to see that all of the cogent arguments on this board have made you question the biasedness of WoV

I can say this.........anyone who sides with Steve Urkel over Kewlj can't spot a cogent argument to save their life
I admit I was taken aback when someone sad Kewlj "faked his death" but after I heard the actual reasonn why it made total sense.....
I've never been held up at gun point but goddamn if I was I would probably consider doing the same thing as Kewlj!!!!
I cant blame the man one bit.................

it's sad how Urkel and Jabba won't even consider the cogent arguments Kewlj levelled against them
maybe that's his problem.......his arguments are too dam cogent and irrefutable!!
we all know how Urkel and Jabba feel about people who can outdebate them
Exoter, 1BB, etc.....................................

 

Steve Urkel must be reading this thread!!!!!

He just edited his post and removed the poart when he told Boz "feel free not to return"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

 

Yeah the Boz suspension occurred as I was posting, so I haven't had a chance to directly address that. Thank you Boz for standing up on my behalf. I am sorry it lead to your suspension, which was typical of bad tempered Mike, and was handled very unfairly and unprofessionally. That seems to be who/what we are all dealing with.

Props to you too, LP9, for your apology and new appreciation for Boz. Very Nicely done.

Also, thank you for the thoughts on the "faked his death" situation. I appreciate a person who tries to have an open mind and consider all possibilities.

I've said this before, but being that this topic has been brought up a number of times today and recently, it bares stating again: I am not proud of how I handled the "faked death" thing. I was scared after the robbery. Fearful that it would be a re-occurring incident, because I was specifically targeted. It was obviously a bad plan, born out of panic, and obviously failed to accomplish what I hoped it might at the time. Hindsight being 20/20, it was a disaster....a bad, ill-conceived plan that failed miserably. And what I regret most is the members of Ken Smith's site that were hurt by it. I mean people contacted the police. People showed up at my building, to see what they could do. That is how much people cared and that is why there are some people who still hold it against me. I get that and I am sincerely sorry to those that were hurt.

 

Quote: Boz
you come off like someone Larry and 1BB say you are.


Quote: Wizard
Personal insult. As the second recent offense, seven-day suspension.


OMG! THAT is hardly an insult. Mike Shackleford, you have lost it. Maybe you never had it to begin with. I don't know.

It's hard to even be mad anymore. I just feel bad for you. So sad.

 

Shackleford is stifling any discussion about KJ. It makes him look bad and he knows it. That's because he IS the bad guy. Freedom of speech is totally dead at WoV. But you are certainly welcome to make all the "kissing the Wizard's ass" speeches you want to. Shackleford doesn't care one iota that he is making his remaining members look like a bunch of sheep. There is only one reason they look like sheep....they ARE sheep.

Cliff notes please!

Wattenberger comes on WoV as Qfit and lambasts KJ.

KJ gets booted off the site.

Other members question Wattenberger about his intentions.

In post after post Wattenberger denies he had anything to do with KJ's banning and is terribly offended by anyone suggesting it. He even tries to paint KJ as a racist.

BBB jumps in and tries to slow Wattenberger down. He totally ignores her and keeps on keeping on. Shackleford has control of the situation and she can't suspend Wattenberger....but Shackleford stays out of the debate between Wattenberger and the other members.

KJ goes into negotiations with Shackleford to return to the site. Shackleford tells KJ that he will have to clear it with Wattenberger before KJ can return to the site.
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It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out what happened. Wattenberger told Shackleford to get rid of KJ. Shackleford obliged by banning the most popular and valuable member of the site. Then Wattenberger made all those posts on WoV denying he had anything to do with KJ's banning. Shackleford knew damn well that Wattenberger was lying to WoV members all along because he and Wattenberger were both in on the conspiracy.

What was the crime that KJ commited to garner Wattenberger's wrath? He just pointed out that newbie blackjack players should be starting with simple inexpensive systems first. They should not be buying more expensive, more complicated, count systems until they have some experience. Wattenberger could not tolerate this off of KJ because he, Wattenberger, was after the money. You know what they say, the love of money is the root of all evil.

How do we get back at the injustices perpetrated by Wattenberger and Shackleford. We BOYCOTT all products associated with them. We BOYCOTT Wattenberger's products. And we BOYCOTT Latest Casino Bonuses.

There are other avenues to learn blackjack. And their are other avenues to sign on to online casinos.

 

there is a saying......fuck me once..shame on you....fuck me twice...shame on me.

If you go back to "enjoy" yourself and think for a minute that you wouldnt be constantly putting yourself at the mercy of them manboy and QFIT..knowing that either one can flick you away like an annoying mosquito at will...you are deluding yourself. That situation would not be enjoyable to most.....but to each his own........enjoy.

 

And so it goes, the behavior at wov continues.
"feel free not to return" is just a more direct way of saying "dont let the door ht you in the ass". Its all the same mentality...as the manboy has used both phrases.
And his mods follow the leader.
He closes the thread and sends people over here to talk to KJ. What business treats customers like that? He is sending valued customers of wov to the competition.....and zuga appreciates that?

People need to realize that posters have value. They are not leeches that only take and take. The give value to the site and allow for advertisers to want to advertise there. They dont have to bow down and be beholden to the manager of a website message board. Not at all. In fact the website message board manager should be treating posters as valued customers......not as inconveniences that need to be tolerated.

Valued customers should not need to walk on eggshells because a manboy customer service manager is prowling in the background. A manboy with poor social skills, who claims he needs to suspend to feel better after a bad day. This is the dude zuga puts in charge of customer service?

And some of the mods follow the leader.

But now there is even a crack in the mosaic.....beached whale claims that there are 3 sides to every story. Insinuating that the manboy may not be telling the truth.

So the house of cards starts to tumble.

However, the treatment of KJ is no different than the treatment of other fellow board visitors. This has been going on for as long as I know of that site. I have spoken on behalf of my neighbors much more than on behalf of myself.

Whether its in the past week, beached whale calling a valued customers comments "garbage" or the manboy telling a valued customer that he doesnt have to come back.......and dont forget him showing how he feels about the value of his members/visitors.....by sending them over here...its all actions the reinforce this thread..
Sending people to the competition.....Now THAT says alot . That action encompasses everything that has been said about him and his mentality.



THAT action made boz proclaim...that just maybe people here are correct.

 

Contrary to your business model, which may be generally applicable, the posters at WoV obviously are NOT valued customers, as the board itself seemingly has little perceived value in the eyes of its new owners: they let the Wiz do what he wants there.

Zuga / Chan have had little interaction / input, which shows me they've better things to do (not that I blame them).

It is NOT likely a source of substantial revenue for them, so why should they care?

They make their money from internet gamblers, which subject is rarely if ever discussed there, and I doubt many board members click the internet gambling links and play online, thus generating revenue for the owners.

No, they seem to view the board as an appendix to the body which they purchased from MS.

It may be that the appendix is diseased: will it burst?

 

Quote: Wizard of nothing

judging on the two sides I would say nothing norm pressed the issue and is 72.8 percent at fault kj 23.2 and Mike 4 percent.

While I appreciate WoN's attempt at impartiality, I reject these numbers. I accept zero responsibility for what occurred at WoV. All I did was express my opinion about a topic that was brought up. No different than I had done for 4+ years, in 3200 other posts, on many different topics. To my knowledge members expressing their opinion is the basis of message boards is it not? And if I may say, what made WoV enjoyable for me, up until this point.

The problem was that someone, Qfit (who was not even a active member of the site at the time) was unhappy that my opinion reflects negatively on him. He had the right to join the discussion and address parts of my opinions that he disagreed with, which he did. He did not have the right to request/demand/pressure Mike to first silence my opinion (truce) and later suspend and eventually ban me from the site for voicing that opinion.

Qfit owns and runs his own site, for which he can and does suppress free speech at the drop of a hat. He does not have the right to extend that suppression and censorship throughout the internet, simply because he does not like what someone's opinion is. And that is the basis of what occurred and/or what was allowed to occur.

As for assigning who is at fault that is easy. Qfit had an agenda that he attempted to implement. But the real blame, 100% IMO, belongs to Shackleford, who allowed an outside element to take control and call the shots, simply because Mike considered him a personal friend. There is a word for that...."cronyism" and it undermines the professionalism and integrity of Shackleford personally, the WoV site and even Latest Casino Bonuses that Shackleford now represents.

Now, WoN, you publicly posted that you found something said by Qfit "VERY DISTURBING". Is that it? You aren't going to elaborate? Just sort of a teaser.

 

While the above post covers my own personal view of the initial event, what is 10 times more disturbing is the cover-ups and handing both publicly and behind-the-scenes of the aftermath.

The lies, the statements said privately that conflict 100% with things said publicly. The arrogance of unwillingness to even address the concerns of his own membership. And now additional suspensions for those that disagree or dare question his handling of any of this. It has just shown a light on what kind of person Mike Shackleford really is.