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First, if you think anybody cares whether they have your respect, the biggest, longest troll of the AP community spanning decades, you are delusional. Oh wait, that has already been proven far beyond any doubt.

But there is some insight into this post quoted. And it has nothing to do with me. AiQ, and as I have said before, he is not one of my favorite members. I honestly am not that familiar with just what he claims as an AP, nor what level he may AP, recreational vs making a living.

But here is the thing: You, Ron Springer are now demonizing him because of political type views or opinions like global warming. You are completely unable to separate out the two. You find something you don't like about someone, and you demonize that person with your lies and completely delusional thoughts.

AND you have done that with me for as long as I have encountered you. You know nothing about me, or what I do, other than what I choose to share and anything that I share, you simply don't understand and have no clue about. So you make shit up, based on nothing except you don't like something about me.

Here is how delusional you are. Several different people, adversaries if you will have looked into who I am and been able to find out who I am. I am not happy about it, but that is fact. And it has cost me financially. And what they have discovered is I am exactly who I say, doing exactly what I claim, living exactly where I described. So YOU knowing that, are so damn delusional, you continue to make stuff up about where I live and just everything you can. It is way beyond delusional. You are completely detached from reality. And you prove that over and over on almost a daily basis.

Some think it is funny. It isn't. It is quite sad. Maybe the saddest, sickest thing I have ever witnessed a person become....completely delusional and detached from reality.

As proof, I will remind anyone reading, this is a guy who drove to his nearby RV dealership, pretending to be a customer, climbed into a million-dollar RV on the showroom floor, took pictures of himself in the RV and posted them online claiming it was his RV. To quote the dealership manager: "who does something like that?" Certainly not anyone grounded in reality.

And Singers excuse afterwards: He didn't want to drive across town to his RV, so he took pictures of one similar. Not a single person on the face of the earth, let alone these forums would believe something so damn dumb.

There are a dozen more examples I could give of this man's delusions and complete detachment from reality. Posting pictures of fake movie prop type money (purchased on Amazon), pictures of fake jackpots, taken on a computer in his basement, with exercise equipment in the shot, pictures of a fake bill of sale for a million and a half dollar RV, with no company letterhead or logo and all signatures in the same handwriting. A posted video of a tour through his daughter's home, claiming it was his. His detachment from reality and delusions goes on and on.

 

The problem I have with these folks is that they present as if they know what they're doing and what they're talking about sports-wise. They get fundamental things wrong. I mean really fundamental that anyone who was seriously immersed in sports betting/booking knows are naive and just wrong. They promote myths. Rob does his 68% myth; that's obviously junk. These guys do their "sharps and squares" myths. Their "there's always an edge to be found" myths. It's nonsense.

It's not even subtle nonsense. If you sat these guys down in a room with Jimmy Vaccaro or any of the established LV bookmakers, the bookmakers would nod their heads nicely, agree with them, then walk out of the room and roll their eyes while chuckling.

It's this idea that "APing" is some kind of generalized skill applicable across a wide range of endeavors. It isn't. My feeling is that these folks are role playing online, pretending to be broadband experts when they do one or two things well. Counting cards, or analyzing machine play returns, or playing poker well, does you zero good for any specific sport that you bet. And doing well in one sport has negligible impact on your success betting other sports.

What these guys are doing is promoting myths. The worst one is this all APs are Leonardo Da Vinci stuff. It's ridiculous.

As far as bonus whoring for sports goes. C'mon, do you really think anyone is making sustained decent money doing that? I take every angle and charity I can get, and it's great to do it, but it's not some ongoing income opportunity.

 

The stuff Axel talks about sports-wise with bonuses might keep you in tuna for a year or give you great weekends out while you live in mom's basement, but it's not some marvelous coup.

And that arbitraging sports schtick -- wake up and smell the coffee. You can arbitrage props until the cows come home, and it'll pay for lunch and sometimes dinner, but unless you're arbitraging Super Bowl props, you aren't paying the rent.

 

Translation: the zingers torment you no end

 

Do I consider myself a "sports betting AP"? No. I'm just damn good at it. So if anybody wants to fatten their wallets this weekend....here's your guide:

Hou +13.5 over Philly
TB -3 over LAR
Minn -3.5 over REDSKINS
Tenn +12.5 over KC
Balt -2.5 over NO

 

AP's, especially the top AP's have diversified and are able to beat a number of games. But it isn't some general skill that is applied to different games. They learn what it takes to beat different games. Well I guess hole-carding is a technique that can be used on any number of games, but in general a player, like Axelwolf, Mickey, Grosjean, may play this game and beat it using this technique and play another completely different games, beating it with a completely different, unrelated technique. I know because players that I am friendly with and network with have tried for years to get me to diversify more, learning to beat many different games. And while I did diversify a bit, mostly VP, but some big six wheel and a couple other things, blackjack card counting has always accounted for about 80% of my EV and win. I mostly resisted that diversifying advice.

And this year, needing to lay low, it became crystal clear why the top AP's diversify and learn to beat a number of different games. If you can't play one or need to lay low for a period, you just move to a different game and keep going. Because I had all but refused to learn to beat other games, I was at the mercy of an AP friend who helped me along this year, throwing me some work and teaching me a little bit of stuff I had no idea about.

About the only people I can think of claiming to be big winners at several different games using the same technique are Mdog and JSTAT, both claiming to beat blackjack and baccarat, JSTAT with his "magical" count and Mdog with whatever fantasy stuff he is pushing that day. I am not sure how much either is really an AP or winning player.

And of AP's that are into sports betting, I think most are like myself, doing so for entertainment and aren't really winning, despite what they tell you. It is very seperate from how they make their real money APing. The only person I can think of that claimed to be an AP at a casino game AND sports betting was late Moses/tater. I challenged his blackjack claims that didn't make sense. but it wasn't my place to say anything about his sports betting claims. I was always waiting for you to do so, but you never did.

I guess Shackleford claims to be an AP, and claims to bet sports, based on math, but he cherry-picks a few things here and there that he shares. I don't know what his results are on any of it.

You know what I always say: "it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking" As a long-term professional sports better, if you don't feel that some AP that are talking sports betting know what they are talking about, that is fine. That is your call. But I think you being a bit old school, may not understand that someone like Axelwolf, isn't winning because he is picking winners at 55% or 57%. He is winning because he is doing something else that gives him an advantage. How he picks his picks is almost irrelevant. And if he didn't have that other thing that makes it +EV, he wouldn't be betting sports at all.

 

The more gobbledegook you write the more you expose yourself and your jealousy of other more successful gaming people.

You know nothing of Shack's sports betting record, so why imply that he isn't winning in your slimy under-handed way?

So you were waiting for redietz to "say something" about tater's sports betting claims? Why? Because you're implying there was something unsavory about them, which stems from your constantly getting it wrong and making up quotes by him just to appease your sick obsession over him. And you sealed that by once again, under-handedly posting twisted messages on his obit wall.

In fact, as usual you can't even get your lies about YOURSELF straight. Your propensity to always have to make every story about others become an opportunity to lie about yourself, constantly leads to your downfall. You don't "AP" VP for the same reason you're really nothing more than a hard-studied failed degenerate gambler at BJ, who's learned to plagiarize others' info and experiences in order to keep believing you're relevant. VP requires discipline and patience--traits that you are severely lacking in. And APing in general requires you learn how not to flap the mouth about anything and everything, which is something you cannot do.

"Laying low" my ass--you moved to LV because you're a gambling addict. You pour every cent you have into the tables and machines. And if you knew your stuff you'd never need to say something so stupid. No one who works for any casino cares who or what you are because you're small potatoes, and your stature is something they'd laugh at. Your stupid concocted story about "flying under the radar" and "not playing on the strip because of the heat" is total bs. Successful players adapt and adjust, and they have no need to try and impress others with nonsense about laying low etc. Can you picture Axel saying he has to stop APing something because someone popped his real name on some obscure internet forum?

Wise up you fool.

Right about now MrV would come in to help you stop the bleeding. Why has he abandoned you?

 

Singer, with each and every new post you reveal more and more stupidity, and less and less knowledge of how advantage play and gambling in Las Vegas works. You reveal yourself to be the know nothing, degenerate, losing player that you are.

I didn't have to lay low because someone revealed my name on a forum. I had to lay low because of not one but two different entries into the databases, particularly OSN, last fall. One my own doing by betting too high of limits in Reno one weekend and the second because the person that did dox me, also sent that information to casinos and/or OSN. Do you have any idea how the databases work for a table game player? No you don't. So just STFU.

And you don't have to take my word for it, ask any real AP, because most have some sort of access to the databases through different means (it is our business) and quite a few of my fellow AP's I am sure saw my entries.

Just more of you revealing you know nothing, absolutely nothing about the things you talk about. You are just a bull-shitting spewing nonsense about things you know absolutely nothing about.

Now let's talk about this "plagiarism" BS, that you repeatedly bring up. If I am stealing stories and claims from other players, I challenge you to prove it right here and now. Show me a claim that I have made or an experience that I have shared that is plagiarized and where and when it previously appeared. You can't and you won't. You will just spew more and more made-up bullshit accusations, because that is who and what you are.

 

The only person that has plagiarized anything is you, old man, when you stole the double-up bug claim from the news, claiming "I did that before they did". What a fool you are.

 

Hahaha!!--Nervous as shit! That's what happens when you can't do anything but lie. How about this one: "my high rise dump was swaying in the wind from the front that moved in, and it scared the hell out of my twinkle toes"....

Here's a fact that you overlooked, you idiot. If a building in the US "swayed" when it gets windy, it wouldn't be inhabited--even by poor people like you.

You plagiarize and you know it. Even a cave man could tell. Nothing you say has any self-pride, and nothing you say has any merit. Always whining like a little bitch, needing to fake your own death to cope, quitting forums "for good" only to show your weakness by crawling back on again. On and on and on with you and your failures.

And no one's gonna enter your name into databases. You claim these things constantly just to sound like "Mr. Important" and to make your sorry ass feel better about yourself, never with any proof.

No one believes a thing about you kew outside of your disease and infection issues and your being a sicko queer. You messed up when you tried to steer everyone away from how you and your pathetic clan got booted from sugar daddy's home and ended up in a fitting slum.

Go cry to someone who cares....and someone who doesn't have your simpleton life so easily pegged.

 

This is funny....

So where'd I get the correct sequence from--oh that's right: the news people gave it to me as a belated wedding gift; or was it IGT?; Oh that's right!--I got it from Kane, who did it so I could make you have an even more squirmy existence!!

 

Yeah that's what I thought. Empty false accusations. The Story of Rob Singer.

 

What's wrong kew--your building "swaying" you to sleep

 

Axelwiff hobo grifter AP. If he ever has children ( highly unlikely) what an aspiration he would be , selling fake Rolex, giving head at the overpass for that warm winters meal , Tito nickel scrounger, bet he sells the kiddies to pedo ring for a few bucks, yep AP extraordinarily child pedo.

 

Hogwash

 

I missed most of this exchange but will comment on Tater's sports betting claims. I mentioned earlier in this go-round that I knew someone who got shut down at one particular satellite of one LV sports book for quarters and halves betting on NBA. Tater was claiming to routinely get as much or more down on quarters and halves betting in Reno at roughly the same time, which seemed highly, highly unlikely. That was my tipoff that Tater was likely exaggerating what he was doing. Yes, it's possible that one book in Reno might have been liberal with higher limits, but that would be unusual. The other option is that Tater was assigned his own higher set of limits, but that seemed unlikely also. Tater never mentioned that he was skirting limits at any time, so that seemed odd because he discussed everything. I have no solid evidence that he was exaggerating, but my interpretation was that he was gilding the lilly on betting amounts. I think any reasonable person would have drawn the same conclusion.

 

Pap and dross.

 

A reasonable person is going to question all of this "Leonardo Da AP" secret society stuff. I really didn't question it until some APs started with their sports betting expertise nonsense. Then I knew the majority of what they were pushing was bullshit.

"Sharps" routinely making money across multiple sports. Bonus whoring that generates five digits in some ongoing fashion. Arbitraging like it was a personal piggy bank. This stuff is 75% myth, at best.

It pains me to agree with Punk, but I think the bulk of it is hogwash.

From the outside, it looks pretty much like people promoting that they can win at anything in perpetuity across numerous endeavors. In other words, it looks like an ongoing con searching for investors. It looks like an ongoing version of Mission's mess.

 

In fact, let me put a logical stake through the heart of these sports-betting mythologies being promoted.

Since I know a little about Billy Walters, historically the highest-stakes sports bettor in LV outside of the occasional son-of-a-Chinese billionaire on a rampage, let me put it this way. Walters assembled roundtables of proven experts in each sport, people with years-long track records. He data mined those with formal approaches, pitted them against each other, had the best in the business at his disposal, and had very little overlap in personnel sport to sport. In addition, he had the best programmers and analytics at his disposal. And unlimited funding.

Billy Walters never smoothly won across multiple sports the way some APs claim "sharps" do every blessed year. He didn't blow the city up with arbitrage profits, which is funny, because Walters made money creating his own middles, a story for another day.

But these Leonardo Da APs, with less funds, far less sports expertise, and fewer technical and IT resources than Walters, claim to be doing what Walters could not.

Sure.

 

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