Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

I'll tell you guys who doesn't have the balls to sign up here, Wattenberger. You know he's lurking us. But he is to chickenshit to make a post. He can't pull his shit here like he did on WoV. He won't get anywhere trying to run KJ off this site. LOL!

 

Oh my. Face was a Nazi like Shack from day-1. Down the shitter for him as well.

Is this BaccaratForums.com all over again, or what?

 

Mickey, you're the reason I signed up. I just HAD to see that one to the end, meaning your final post on WoV. I can't tell you how relieved I was to finally hear your explanation up thread. I, like you, figured that post was the nail in the coffin for your tenure at WoV, but I just had to hear the reason behind it. I just knew there was one, and it felt important. I was glad to have finally gotten it. Thanks for sharing.

But please do fuck off with your kid gloves idea lol. If I do or have done something, I should have to answer for it. This sheep likes a good debate, and I'll risk the den of wolves to get one =)

Keep knocking em dead and knocking em back.

 

well if you are into 4 letter words that start with "F"....i can think of worse

 

RonC chimed in....he is not happy either. He wants to know why another mod has to chime in and pour salt by claiming she was gonna close th KJ thread also.
He wants to know why that needed to be posted
Well its because u are dealing with socially backward people who at times dont know how to read the room, and at other times dont give a shit what the room thinks...because they were trained to think that way by observing their leader.

You are dealing with people who you gave the car keys too months and years ago....the keys to the car that drives their opinion that you are insignificant leeches who only take take take.. You allowed poor customer service. You allowed them to call it "mikes place" and when someone you didnt like got mistreated..all you did was say...."mikes place....mikes rules"

How many times did you tell people if they didnt like a customer mistreatment...they could go somewhere else.

Oh but now its different.......I see RonC.

Its the same old shit.

 

As we know the spineless manboy closed the KewlJ thread because he couldn't take the heat...settled......thread closed. Then 40 minutes later Beached Whale posts "Good call. I've been wanting to do it for several days".

So let's look at this. The thread is closed by the head coward yet one of his minions takes it upon herself to reopen the closed thread just to fulfill her narcissistic needs. It's all about her. Another abuse of power. What will she do when it all comes tumbling down. Lie in bed fantasizing about Buzz?

RonC takes a swipe at her in the suspension list thread for that one. Some over there are no so afraid any more as things begin to unravel. When you start pissing off good posters...you know you're losing it. As more and more of the facts come out the name HACKleford is circling the drain.

 

You are correct Mickey, Qfit is reading everything here. He spends a great deal of time doing searches of both his Name, which he says no one else in the world has, and the word "Qfit", just to read everything said about either topic. On top of that it was very recently confirmed to me that he quote some things said here to someone privately. So he is reading, if you have anything you would like to say to him, Mickey.

Funny thing when Norm showed up at WoV, to resume our feud and with his agenda to have me removed, he posted a number of times both while I was still there and after I had been exiled, something to the effect that he had sat by for months while I attacked him and finally he had no choice to respond.

Well Norman, I am telling it like it is here as well. But the funny thing is I don't see you showing up her to defend yourself or attempt to set any record straight. Is it because you know that you can't bully, threaten, influence the folks that run the site here as you bullied timid, little Shackleford. You told little Mikey that he was your friend and that he should stick up for you and not let anyone say mean things about you. And little Mikey, so desperate to have you as a friend, maybe so desperate to have any friend, complied.

You, Norman Wattenberger are a bully, a crybaby and a liar. You are no friend to the AP community and stumbling upon your site, and the little band of outcasts that you protect, living in their fantasy world making outrageous claims of riches, is the worse thing that can happen to a new young aspiring card counter or AP.

 

Lol.

 

LarryS wrote:
"Cowards die a thousand deaths. The valiant taste of death but once."

And:

"Can always count on V to send the valiant off with encouragement"

My post was apt and heartfelt.

I am not so appalled by the goings on at WoV that I will stop posting; I like the repartee, the mix of topics and personalities, and can put up with people being thrown out of Oz by the Wiz, provided there is plausible justification (which there usually is).

WoV is still a decent gambling forum, but it is teetering a bit and the Worshipful Master is in a sour mood and prone to vent his wrath on we poor, defenseless munchkins.

It's a good thing I took dancing lessons in junior high school: mad tap dancing skills are now required at WoV.

 

The thing about QFITS honesty and integrity was one thing that stuck in my mind. In the middle of over 50 posts of him claiming we should believe him and he is truthfull....he claimed that he never never sent PMs to manboy asking for your removal or punishment. Giving us the impression that he was not communicating to manboy.
Then manboy lets the cat out of the bag that he(qfit) was sending him emails. WTF. When QFIT was accused of sending PMs.....a reasonable person knew the scope of that accusation. It included electronic communication. Yet in a deceptive but strictly truthful response he makes sure he specifies "PMs".
So I guess we now know that he didnt send PMs asking for KJ punishment......but he instead sent emails.
So much for honesty.
After that, I figured how can I believe this guy if he is going to play with words in order to steer people away from the truth.

And then after a mod asked him to cease ...he continued for dozens more posts, totally showing no respect for authority.

Although I would expect him to tell us how much respect he has for others. I guess thats only respect if he agrees with them

If you read his constant posts during that 10 day period.....he is constantly telling us how he is misunderstood, and he is just a nice guy that is trying to set the record straight..........over and over and over and over.

The immense amount of posting where he is trying to convince us how nice and misunderstood he is........rings to me like he was trying way too hard. Where he felt although it was not true....by sheer volume he would be able to convince us.

Usually the truth only needs a single post. If it rings true...it stands.and needs no further emphasis.

 

I think it's great what is happening over at Weasel of Vegas. Although my name is invoked over and over in these discussions, it really is long past being about me. It's not about me or me being re-instated. The members voicing their anger know that will not be the outcome. What I see happening is the membership taking a stand for their site. That's right it is their site! I said before it's the membership that is the real value to the site. Weasel may have started he site and footed the expenses for doing so (and turned a nice profit doing it), but it is the membership that is the real value.

On the AP portion, it is the AP's that share their experiences, strategies, stories, that are the real value. And usually at no real benefit to themselves, because often sharing is detrimental. Concerning the non-AP topics, it is still the same. It is the membership that gave their time and effort contributing to the site and making it a more interesting place to have discussions, that are the value. They have earned that! And they are taking a stand, fighting for the site that they contributed to and helped build. I think it is great.

Unfortunately, Shackleford has had his payday, so he doesn't give a damn. He can't bring himself to treat the membership with the respect that they deserve. The respect that they have earned. And frankly he should be kissing their ass for building the value that allowed him to profit so handsomely. Instead he looks down on them, as he always has.

And it is not the least bit clear what the guys at LCB, who now own the site are up to. They seem to care very little that daily membership visits to the message board as well monthly views to the entire site are both down 30-33 in a very short time. Some of us always figured they didn't particularly care about the message board, but the whole site views are down 33%. Isn't that traffic what translates to money for them by drawing new customers? I don't get it, but admittedly their are many things in this world I don't get. But I think it's great and am enjoying watching it.

 

that cracked me up too............Jabba always needs to be the center of attention..........

she has nothing to do with Kewlj and Qfit yet she felt the need to unlock a thread just to get in the last word & lock it back up....

PATHETIC JABBA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

kewlj have you noticed that there's someone named "victim" who is always online reading this thread?

do you think that is Qfit???????????????????

 

she is so brave when she is on the manboys side of the issue right or wrong

but after warning QFIT to cease his repeated nonsense, and being ignored....she wasnt so brave to act.

where was here bravery then?

Oh yeah and she is brave to call Mr V's suggestion "garbage"...because that would be the manboy's side of the issue

very brave

 

A response to FACE"s response to people saying the board is going downhill
http://wizardofvegas.com/forum/info/rules/25231-discussion-ii-about-the-suspension-list/52/

The utopian reflection that ---this is our site and our posts make this site special----(to re-phrase) is kind of ill conceived.
How has that "kumbaya" philosophy worked out? KewlJ was all for that philosophy and posted valuable info. Alot of people come to his defense and point out that this is "our site" and KJ was valuable.
Maybe my info I posted regarding the site being a business rather than "mikes place" would have been accepted as just the wonderful mosaic of this utopian opinionated board rather than a bannable opportunity for punishment.
Or when B9 or BB1 was nuked. It seemed their contributions were not included in the mosaic of "our board".

I would not expect anything different from the most level headed least punitive mod. However I must point out that based on the actions for the last couple years( that I have been aware of that site) of the majority of people in power......the "lets all l realize that our contributions are valuable" philosophy has not existed in practice. In reality, the "its mikes place...mikes rules" has prevailed. Mods, and posters have sung that song over and over. Over and over as people were nuked for unlisted rules like nonpayment of a bet, truce violation,and of course the creative reason of "we all know why" for me given by the manboy in a post since reason is blank on the shame list.

The idea that posters should be treated as valued customers rather than squatters in "mikes place" has not existed during my time viewing that site.
Its instead, a philosophy that the posters are leeches, takers, and the site is free so they should be indebted to the manboy. Its a management that shows contempt for its customers. It was manboy who proclaimed that he comes to the site to suspend when he is in a bad mood. Not my words...but his. What customer with self respect would accept this nonsense from someone in charge. But to the fault of the people complaining now...they DID accept this.

Now things are deteriorating.Even Demango, has made a bold statement. RonC has made a bold statement. Pokergrinder has made a bold statement,......the kinds of statements that in the past would cause immediate punishment. But now...what is manboy going to do....punish the entire board?
The member visits are down approx 25 percent over a couple years ago. People have quietly retreated, people are vocally complaining. And we get a sweet calming post from Face telling us that our posts are valuable?

The popularity of this board is yet another example how bad things are going over there. Heck when the manboy closed the KJ thread...he told his customers to come here. Yes,,,,GO TO THE COMPETITION!!!! Thats how much he values his customers(or leech squatters)

And Beached whale chimes in that she agrees, while at the same time calling Mr V's post/suggestion.....GARBAGE

SO right at this minute it seems mods will say what they need to, to calm things down. Although I think Face is honestly presenting his feelings/views.....it seems that those feelings didnt just emerge today, he has had those views throughout.....yet look where we are.

If all the other mods were disposed of, and Face was left along with others that share his views regarding valuing customers of the site.....then I would see reason to rejoice

But I dont see it. The manboy refuses to talk about anything regarding this issue..even in general. The dont let the door hit you in the ass attitude prevails.

MIKES PLACE............MIKES RULES.........even if the rules are made up as he goes, and are administered unevenly. That is the REALITY.

Face's utopian society where people are valued is a nice dream.

 

Gotta tell the truth here. When I saw Ontario Dealers post this morning I waited for the ax to fall, name in red. Crickets! Gave me a little bit more chutzpah!

 

LarryS, it USED to be Mike's Place, but he sold it for forty pieces of silver to a European whose only concern is online gambling, which of course provides the ultimate in negative expectation and thereby of zero interest to the WoV community.

It's Zuga's place, but obviously he could give a flying fuck about it.

I haven't seen Mike's purchase and sale agreement for the sale of WoV /WoO, but I believe it almost certainly requires that he continue to play a fairly active role and be the "face" (sorry, Face) of WoV / WoO.

He's now "held captive" by the contract he signed.

The Wiz enjoys what AP is available to him (damned little, being as he is so well known: his card-counting days are long over in Las Vegas due to industry-wide notoriety), and as his former love, blackjack, is denied him, he has turned to sports betting now: but I wonder whether he has to same passion for gambling that he used to.

It seems not, at least by viewing the body of his recent posts.

I get the feeling his attitude toward gambling is approaching "stick a fork in me, I'm done."

The only topics he shows any passion for are exercise, challenges and projecting his Wizardly Powers via banning and suspending: gambling no longer seems to be front and center in his world.

He seems rather bored with the whole gambling thing, frankly.

What effect might this have on his moderating?

Well, if he'd really RATHER NOT BE DOING IT, as I suspect, it would allow for increased petulance and a quasi-passive/aggressive mentality to shine through.

Just my two cents, I could easily be wrong, but it sort of "fits" what I've observed, anyway.

 

DeMango, I wish to take this opportunity to personally thank you for all your support. The stance that you guys at WoV have taken in the last several days, has been most impressive. In my mind it now isn't now about me or anyone else who was unjustly bannish, but more about just about right and wrong. You guys are taking a stance on the side of right. It won't result in anyone one previously bannish returning, but I think it needed to be done. Mike brought this on himself with his condescending attitude and total lack of respect for his own membership.

You recently mentioned a gay slur that was part of a response to one of my blog posts. I deleted my blog in the brief time between my suspension and banning, which by that time, it was clear was coming. Mike was just looking for what he could use as an excuse. He ended up using a made-up rule about posting on a foreign site that nobody knew existed. It was very lame..everyone understood this was made up and he was inventing an excuse to do what we all knew he intended to do all along. My blog posts like my forum post were meant as a positive contribution to the site and I decided to withdraw that particular contribution.

But anyway, I don't actually remember the gay slur response. Perhaps I glazed over it. Out of curiosity, might I ask that you repeat it here and if you don't want to publicly state the member making the response, perhaps you could do so in private at [email protected]

 

MrV, Josh Chan is the owner of LCB and now Woo/WoV. I believe Mr Chan is from Australia or New Zealand. His name suggests Asian heritage, and he may have, but doesn't look it. Zuga who is from Serbia, is described as Chan's right hand man.

Since we are on topic I will share my interaction with Zuga. During our recent discussions, in typical Shackleford condescending style, he suggested I complain to Zuga. I knew he was smugly suggesting this because he knew Zuga would back him. I remember someone else appealed to Zuga and was shot down. So I decided to go ahead and make my case to Zuga. Since I was banned at WoV, I was unable to contact him through that site, so I created an account at LCB and sent Zuga a private message detailing my version of events. I received a polite response back, stating that he was not familiar with the situation, which frankly was hard to believe as discussion of the matter dominated several threats at the time, including a threat always in the top threads that was entitled "KewlJ", You mean to tell me that Zuga who logs in everyday hadn't read and was unaware of the single topic that has dominated WoV for the last 3 months? He was either being dishonest or not very good at his job since he didn't know what was going on.

So anyway, as expected a couple days later, I received a reply from Zuga stating that after discussing the situation with Mike, Mike's decision would stand. Zuga then smugly advised me to let this go and move on with life.

Also during our discussion in another of his very condescending moments, Mike actually directed me to this thread/ He stated there was a whole website of people attacking him that I could join, which obviously suggests he care not one iota what anyone....here, or at WoV thinks or says. He is in charge and will do as he likes. Directing me here, almost challenging me to post my criticism, even suggests that Mike, like most ego-maniacs, actually enjoys the attention, even negative attention.

So if my participation here, has backfired and brought more heat than Shackleford expected and is creating a headache for him via his membership demanding answers, I am extremely pleased. It won't right the wrong been done to me or get me re-instated, but it ould present a small level of satisfaction.

 

I would say that is very possible. A quick check of "victim" shows that all of his posts occurred in a 2 day period when the site first started and all concerned the single topic of possible copyright violations, which happens to be a topic that Qfit frequently rails about. The age provided in victim's profile does not match what Qfit often says is his age, but that could be intentional. But whether "victim" is Qfit or not we know for a fact that he is reading very word said.