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One of the nice things about my anonymity is that when I flame idiots like dox-dawg they have little info about me to craft rebuttal flames.

What, the worst they come up with is that I smoke pot?

Bwa ha ha so do many millions of others.

Dunno if dox-dawg has an ownership interest at WoV, given the prior sale to the LCB folks in Europe; I suspect he intimidates the Wiz into being his vassel.

 

People only know (and bust) about weed, because you have told them V. Nothing wrong with smoking weed. It is no different than having a few drinks if done responsibly. I was a big weed smoker in HS and my time in Philly. Never when playing blackjack of course. I gave it up when I had my first heart surgery. Doctor didn't suggest it....just seemed like the thing to do. I also gave up drinking at that time, but after my brother moved to Vegas, have resumed drinking just a few beers here and there on weekends. Nothing big.

I use a handle or screenname because AP's have to...especially blackjack and table game AP's and it is now all AP's as we have an industry (casino) and side industries (casino surveillance & database) that want to identify us and stop us. I never in a million years thought I would be dealing with other forum members, fellow gamblers showing up at my home and hiring people to find information and doxing me. Just never thought that. What a world we live in. So even a member of a forum that isn't an AP, needs to be anonymous. What a shame.

As for Mdog and WoV: It is Mike, not WoV that he has a hold on. I don't know what it is. Just speculation, but based of Shacklefords propensity for money, I would not be shocked if it isn't just a straight financial arrangement. If that turns out to be the case, and we will probably never know, that is the ultimate in "selling out". Everything that Shackleford stood for and made a name for based on math, down the drain by allowing and protecting a guy claiming math defying BS and nonsense.

 

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Poor [removed, pay to advertise] dietz, he’ll be mortified by you above post about using a “handle”

And this from Veeeeeeee

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Just think of all that potential FAIME we are all missing out on.

Awwwww shucks, heck dietz guess you can have the 5000 plus members here that use nom de plume, you can have their FAIME all to yourself.
Lap it up home boy.

 

You are correct this hasn’t happened here.
I don’t give a fuck about what happened elsewhere as I clearly stated.
So why do you FEEL THE NEED to bring that shit from other places HERE . So you can carry on with your song and dance routine here NOW you are airing your dirty laundry here. As the humorous admin guy said you bringing it all on yourself.

Most members, possibly 99.9% don’t give a flying fuck if you’re doxed or not . Some other forum on the interverse far far far far fucking away with zero relevance to here and now until you keep coughing it up like some fur ball trying to make it “A THING” here. You have obviously burned yourself on all the other forums, you do mention you are banned, you no longer, cough, volunteer not to post at forums and you don’t mind making up sock puppet using throw away burner and vpn. So can we conclude that at least one if not more attacks on your account name various forums has been committed by YOU using one of the methods mentioned, to perpetuate your victimisation theme?
Who are you?
Your relevance is what?
War and peace was a better read than your quote here. For fucks sake if you claim mdawge is scam then your credibility is no shining star either .

And this

My edit once again.

So now you continue to threaten members here?
So we are to be in dreadful fear of kewlj da marphia and accept everything you post as gospel because of da marphia will git yar. Crying out fucking loud you fruit cake.

There huge holes in much of what you post.
And before you accuse me of bullying or telling you to leave this forum as you posted on another thread here is a screenshot of what you have posted previously your words or they not in context also

I am assuming it’s not because of the “miscontex” administration post addressed earlier? But this is because your being outed here?
I will take this opportunity to state that I don’t shred your bj posts as I find them informative at the very least. My comments on SOME of your bj posts as being outdated, irrelevant and rote. Because it probably did work in the decade before now, in loser vagas. I can categorically state that the outdated information you are currently posting was a definite bonafide bj approach here in skipptophia up until about 1999ish give or take a few years , and you wanted a medal for 20 years lol . Since then, here ,no it’s a dodo AP move. Other techniques are required but you maphfizz won’t let you see it. No big deal more money for us, more faIme for dietz, more weed for veee, alls good on the planape urth

I suspect from some of your posts you already know the shrinkage in your pond there, even if you don’t want to fully admit it. Denial is a funny thing, just ask any convict.

Anywho , I won’t drag it out I have too much respect James a mitchener lol.
Cheers nice post if only you had left it on the other interverse shallow pond forum it all originated in.
I will say this
Yes I don’t have to read or reply to your outlandish outbursts and I could just be like the rest of the silent majority here and just ignore you. Note, ignore YOU, not put your account on ignore as technically that’s impossible as your account knows. But when is that ever satisfactory really? Lol lol

 

Punkcity, you are either mis-informed or intentionally not being truthful.

I never posted using a sock puppet on this forum. If you think I have ask the administrator. You are wrong.

I have never used a burner phone. I post from my home computer or my singular phone.

I have never used a VPN that was added to hide IP or location. I do believe my internet provider, Cox, here in Vegas has a VPN attached, but I have no control over that. If there is a way to dis-engage from that, I am not familiar with it.

And the Doxing situation is very relevant on this forum. While the post with all the information in one short paragraph occurred on another forum, some of the information was re-posted here by Mdawg and another member, usually one piece at a time. THAT is what I requested the administrator take a look at, at the time.

And the initial threat of hiring an investigator was made right here on this forum.

As for blackjack conditions where you are located, I have no clue. Never claimed to. I share my experiences where I live and play. In Las Vegas the techniques and things I do are still very relevant. I played 18 hours last weekend.

I am willing to engage with you or anyone, even detractors, but I can't and won't if you are just going to make stuff up and be untruthful.

 

Where are you located Punkcity? Australia? Never been there. Don't know blackjack conditions. I think I read there is exclusive use of continuous shuffling machines (CSM) or at least a high concentration, which all but eliminates traditional card counting. There is another way to beat them, which I won't get into on open forum.

Here in Vegas, CSM are not all that prevalent. Places that use them mostly use them at the lower limit games. And they are actually on the decline here. Every once in a while I see a casino that used to employ CSM (at lower limits) that have stopped due to high maintenance and rental cost of the machines.

 

Astounding
The casinoverse here has row after row of bj tables here ( lots of rental on csm) no one plays except the Friday Saturday nite ploppy. The tables are usually closed days maybe one or two open ( main floor) . The casino rather pay rent than open a table, the rent must be very low , as the casinoverse here is tighter than a fish’s arse.

I’m not surprised in the least “you won’t go into how to beat them” nothing new there as per usual. That has been my complaint of your outdated posts here this forum . NOTE the sentence, THIS FORUM not some other forum this forum, got it ? You talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Thanks for the post on the decline of csm in loser vagas I find that astonishing. They are possibly saying the loss of revenue to card counters is less than the outlay on rent and maintenance of csm . Possibly indicating that they have card counters under their control.

Quick question
If you are in the Oregon book isn’t that a life long notation? Meaning you are on a lifetime ban/ potential ban if discovered on casinoverse floor? I assume that’s also referred to as the black book? Or is it as it reads in one of your recent posts a temporary thing for a few months, I can quote it if you need, just in case you didn’t write that paragraph, I assume in good faith it’s your post, that’s what posting from an account name implies, it’s my correspondence not someone else.
So after a few months working an AP team you are now no Longer in the Oregano book? How did you know you were in the book? How did you know you are now free from the book? Did someone from the casinoverse contact you ? And you now are free to pursue you card count ways unrestricted? Good for you. I’m interested in learning from the experience you have just had re the oragano book. Cheers

 

Oh yes sozz, location is skipptophia, it’s a shit hole and no one wants to travel here. You wouldn’t like it , so don’t bother , you’re best living in your own shithole loser vagasville.We have near zero gun crime , beautiful beaches, lots of deadly critters, great lifestyle, first world economy, the managers at MacDonald earn upwards of $75 k a year plus holidays, sick leave, maternity leave, yes even if they’re gay , nice. Uniform and meal allowances nice and not even a 40 hour week.
Yeah it’s a shithole nothing to rave about really, plenty of open roads to drive /ride our shitboxs around without being shot at , send the kids to school and they don’t get killed by someone lowlife. You can leave a casinoverse with shitloads of cash on you and not get mugged, killed or solicited for a hand out by grifters, actually same in Macau, and other Asian countries casinoverse. Yeah it’s a shithole here.
You won’t last a day here in such a shithole guess that’s one less shithole you need to visit, I mean with the shithole you live and work in why indeed would you want to leave such a wonderful shithole as loser vagasville. Nice , enjoy and good luck. Cheers

 

I replied to this post on the feedback post thread .

Do you want me to post the quote here also to just keep all the ducks in a straight line?
Happy to do so.

 

So let me get this straight. You trash me and lie about me and then expect me to answer questions as if nothing has happened?

But I will be the bigger man and answer your questions as best I can based on my experience and knowledge so maybe someone can benefit.

A person can be banned from a casino for doing something illegal. At that point returning to the casino can result in trespassing. Players cannot really be banned from a casino for card counting or any other legal form of play. Casino want players to think they can, but that is make beleive....like a unicorn. It is a form of intimidation. The laws here in Nevada states that yes they do have the right to ask a player to leave. But the mis-information is the arrest for trespassing part. If the player returns the next day, next week, next month, they have to again tell the player to leave and give that opportunity before any trespassing occurs. The casinos just don't want people to know this, because they want to intimidate. If you don't believe me, ask any attorney familiar with the Nevada law. So there is no banning for life.

Now the databases: The original database was called the Griffin Book. This was a book, a physical book of pictures and information of casino cheats and advantage players that are players that play legally but play with an advantage. (The Griffin book and casinos didn't distinguish between the two). So this was "the book" or database from the mob days up until 2005. It was that not distinguishing between cheaters and players that won legally that lead to Griffin Bankruptcy as James Grosjean and Michael Russo sued Griffin for labeling them cheats when their play was completely legal, won and forced Griffin into bankruptcy. Griffin left Vegas, re-organized in smaller new markets in the Midwest U.S. and has now returned to Vegas, a shell of what it used to be and no longer the dominate database or "book".

The void when Griffin left Vegas was filled by several companies, Biometrics and Oregon Surveillance Network the bigger two, who did things differently than Griffin. Everything was more modernized and electronic. No real "book", but rather an electronic database that casinos subscribe to. Oregon Surveillance (OSN) actually started as a service only for Indian casinos, but quickly expanded to fill the void when Griffin left Vegas.

So the current electronic databases like OSN, are not a book, but rather an electronic database accessed on a computer in the gaming pit. There are new entries all the time, maybe every day, maybe several a week. So the danger for any player is a fresh entry, that shows when the database is opened. As new entries are added and your entry starts to get buried, meaning pit folks have to scroll down and on to second and third pages the danger subsides. Few pit people look at more than the first page or maybe two of fresh newer entries.

Usually several months is more than sufficient for your new entry to be pushed down to where it is safe to play again, but my entry last year was so devastating, with much detailed info, I wanted to give it 6 really good solid months.

There are a lot of advantage players doing a lot of amazing things to beat casinos now a day. Particularly machine play stuff. But that is not where card counting is. Successful card counting today is about knowing all this kind of stuff that I just shared that few people know, so that you can play and win, the game within the game. THAT is where consider myself an expert and have been able to do what I do, with minimal issues.

 

The above post probably would be better served and more beneficial to more players if it were moved to the blackjack section. I am not going to do that. The administrators may want to consider doing so.

 

Lie about you?
I only posted what is available on this forum, posts by you about yourself. I don’t make “stuff” up about you.
You post you use sock puppet , I post you use sock puppet . You try and defend a sock puppet as not harmful because “you” are not trying to deceive people.
Wtf are you serious? You use a sock because you the real you is banned or suspended , you are deceiving people by using another named account. I’m quite sure you don’t create a sock then the very first sentence is hi everyone it’s me kewlj I’m just using a sock but I’m letting you know it’s me because I don’t want to be thought of as deceiving anyone but I am because I can’t post under my banned account name , I’m special so it’s all ok.
Wtf , you really think everyone is as stupid to swallow that.
So

I’m not really gay IF I only put the tip in your anus. I can confidently go home to my wife and say , honey I’m not gay , I only put the tip in that man’s arsehole. Yes that really works kewlj thanks.

I will create a thread to admin and enquire if I can run multiple accounts because I’m a really special person and you and everyone else will have to take my word that I’m not going to deceive anyone, post negative comments to anyone, post likes to myself after 300 posts, maintain an argument of support for myself if anyone dares to make a disparaging statement about me. Because it would not be a sock puppet because of whatever crap you posted about it. Thanks kewlj great advice.
Trash you ?
I only post your inconsistencies, backflips, hypocrisy, etc etc. don’t post your crap you get no feedback from me . I believe you claim it’s your right to call people out , I can get the post if needed, SO I also have claimed that very same and exact right , is that fair? I too have well over 20 plus years experience, I too have AP experience and beyond when the AP opportunities have ceased to exist I have changed and still maintain an income.

You be the better man, that’s all I ask post after post this forum. Nothing personal when I bring your attention to you inconsistent posts, I do conduct myself amicably to you on numerous occasions as well as support of your posts with likes and re quotes when they are of value and not the dross you often spew out.

As for your response to the question thanks very informative I appreciate your reply. Although you never mentioned how you found out about you being listed in the book. Is there a general accessibility to that data base or is it subscription based for casinoverse only?
Also are you saying that the memory of the average pit boss or dealer is basically terrible that they never recognise your face, style of play or any other traits even after all these years of visiting the same location over and over. You live a block off the strip , your words so not doxing , no dealer pit boss has never bumped into you , shopping, walking, at a local bar ? Astounding.
Thanks for the reply.

 

Of course the database isn't available to the general public. But most professional level players that play table games will find a way to have access to this info, at least from time to time. This is what it means to play for a living.

As for visiting the same casino over and over. I don't know what your perception is of Las Vegas, so I will just tell you. Between Las Vegas, North Las Vegas and Henderson, there are over 100 casinos within a 15 mile radius of my home. 76 of them have table games and offer blackjack. I usually have upwards of 30 in my rotation at any given time. And some of the bigger casinos on the strip and even some of the off strip resorts have multiple pits which is almost like a second casino under the same roof. Some of the really big ones have 3 or 4 pits open on weekends. When I am playing my full rotation, I visit most casinos 2-3 times a month, the larger multi-pit casinos maybe 4. And I spread those visits out among different pits and different shift (when I can). I probably play with the same dealer and or pit 1-2 times a month at most. And there are things I do entering and exiting games that may allow me to not even interact with anyone in the pit at all that visit.

I play short sessions, anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 depending on which exit trigger I hit first. This generally keeps my wins somewhat smaller. This is by design. Bigger wins make a player more memorable and creates a situation that someone in the pit may have to answer for. Intentionally eliminating that makes me less memorable. If a situation does arise, like an infrequent backoff, and I am told no more blackjack, I say "Ok" and quietly exit. No arguing or anything that would make me more memorable.

My longevity hasn't happened by accident. I work hard at it. Every part of my game, everything I do and say, from entering the game to exiting is carefully planned based on my top priority of longevity. I rotate casinos in and out of my rotation when need be, like if some incident has occurred that I need to take a little break from that casino. Everything is planned out. I am not just wondering around playing randomly and seeing the same people every other day.

 

Now let me tell you a little something about the database itself. A good player will know which casinos subscribe and which don't. AND among those that subscribe a good player will know which casinos report to the database and which basically just read if they do anything at all.

Do you see how these different things would matter? Suppose you are backed off at a casino that doesn't subscribe to the database. There is a casino downtown Las Vegas, notoriously sweaty that I enjoy playing that fits that description. So if I am backed off, or even just perceive heat, for whatever reason, I know that incident isn't carrying over to anywhere. I can just take a break for a short time and upon returning maybe avoid the pit person for a couple extra months.

What about a casino that subscribes but isn't an active reporter to the database. Pretty much same situation. Even if some incident does occur, it won't affect play elsewhere because they aren't an active reporter, unless it is a very big issue. You just take a break from that one casino (remove from rotation) for a short period.

It is the casino that subscribes and actively reports that is a problem. You have to know which casino they are so avoid them or be very cautious. That can lead to temporary loss of other unrelated casinos and games. So a good player knows who subscribes and who is actively reports, and will avoid that problematic situation.

In the fall of 2021, I had two entries into the database. I think I have only had 4 total in 14 years in Vegas. So one of those two was the incident related to the doxing. That exact information showed up immediately. The other one, which actually occurred first, occurred after a backoff when I was in Reno for a weekend. That was a case of not knowing all I should about which casinos are active participants, especially reporting to the database, because I was out of town and not playing my regular rotation. Had I known that I would have avoided that casino.

Reno was actually the second out of town backoff that followed me back to Las Vegas. The first was years before when I was backed off in Pa. I played aggressively because I thought it wouldn't matter if I got backed off as I wouldn't be back for 6 months. 2 days later, I returned to Vegas and the first casino I played immediately backed me off.

Like I said, a good player learns these things. THAT is how you achieve longevity. Detractors that say, "ohh he couldn't play in Las Vegas for 14 years" just don't have a clue, of how it all works or what is involved. None of it happens by accident or randomly. You prepare, plan and execute the plan.

 

Now I am done with you for a while. Big holiday weekend coming up. Going to be busy.

 

It's inconceivable that this indecisive bum could be successful at anything, given his inability to stick to even the simple resolve to stay off a forum (he's - at different times - made uncounted declarations with or without a solemn oath to stay off this or that forum - even after banned he comes back in sock puppet guise over and over, like a bad cold in a weak body (which is what he is - weak).
Can you imagine this guy at the tables, indecisive as always, putting his hand up to his rigid doll like (well, more like aged and decayed nowadays, he's lost any semblance of youth) face and declaring in a high pitched voice, I just don't KNOWWWWW what to do here? Hit or Stand?

And the way he describes that he is fearful of raising his bet is further evidence of an indecisive loser - I probably raise the bet more without even worrying than he ever has in his entire indecisive life!

 

Awww, you seem upset Maddog.

Could it be because I share real information about how the gambling industry in Las Vegas really works and what real winning Advantage Players do to circumvent and win and be able to continue to play and win, while you share fantasy story stuff of I win, I win, I win and the pit bosses pat me on the back and tell me I am great?

It boils down to reality vs fantasy. You write a good story. I even enjoy reading some of it. But it is like Oceans 11. It isn't real! Or how things really work. And all your deflections, name calling, attacks, quotes, can't change that simple fact.

"Peace, peace, Mercutio, peace! Thou talk'st of nothing".

 

The ridiculous attacks on KJ continue: gotta wonder "Why>"

Survey says: they're jealous of the attention KJ gets, albeit the attention is negative.

Attention whores don't discriminate between positve and negative: just ask Trump.

 

It’s a credibility thing , same as your gripe re mdawge, pretty easy to understand don’t you think? You post claims dawg post lies and cannot substantiate his claims to your, plus kewlj etc satisfaction. You dip you toe into the pond often enough to be tarnished by the same brush you are painting everyone else with. Ergo foolish post by you, or should I say foolish post by that attention whore posting on your account.
Cheers.

 

Ah, so you're one of the few who actually believes dox-dawgs ridiculous claims of near-continuous wins and endless comps?

Let me guess: you probably believe Rob recently won $1.5M on on VP pull.

You need to readjust your bullshit meter.