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Latest kew lie: "After this case, I'm done with forums"!

He then ads in a caveat, because he KNOWS how easy it is for me to reel him back in like a mindless, soulless, sickly little trout. Lacking-in-self-confidence, incompetency at its finest.....And this is the benchmark for being a "pro BJ player"?

 

I wonder....how many times after putting up cutting, stinging, cringe-worthy posts that burn through kew's lying ass right to the core, are we gonna keep being treated to his desperate defensive whining about how "you guys might think I'm tossing & turning in my sleep over this", I'm crying and sweating all the time", and that I'm on the verge of hurting myself" (yeah that's a good one ....) along with him babbling inconsistent conjurings to the administration?

The true sign of a lying slug being caught in his own traps is in the wimpiness of his constant denials. Kew wants to believe "all his AP friends" are reading along with a myriad of whatever readers goes thru his seriously damaged mind. So he keeps trying to talk all these phantoms into seeing things his way.

Like, based wholly upon EVERYONE'S testimonials as we've seen, he's failed to succeed at for years ....

 

Funny how you mention Axelwolf, JBJB, Redietz, as other forum AP targets to go after as if they are confirmed successful AP’s living large on the casinos dime.

All un-confirmed forum AP’s are nothing but hot air balloons bigger than the Chinese one shot down going over the USA recently.

The only proof ever posted of any of these forum AP’s being successful were (wait for it……………) other un-confirmed gambling forum AP’s vouching for each other.

We all know of many people who took advantage of casinos at certain times. Hell, we know most of their real names and what they did and some still doing. Daniel Negreanu would be one good example. Another would be Bob Dancer from GWAE. Keep in mind these known and other present successful AP’s still must invest and save money making it to old age with plenty of money to eventually rest in peace.

HOPEFULLY NOT TO PISS IT ALL AWAY while they are slowly losing their sharpness, mind, and memory. Billy Walters would be a good confirmed example of investing winnings in other ways for his future.

Take Axelwolf for example. One of the top posters and alleged successful AP’s at the WOV forum. He is truly just a balloon filled with hot air. His reputation is based on other un-confirmed forum people who claimed to have worked with him or mingle together at WOV. Strange, as far as I know none of these people are even still around. Most of these people must have chosen a different career. Axelwolf will tell you they were too stupid to catch on.

No doubt based on what he says on forums for over 10 years, he knows his way around machine play, shuffling other people’s casino cards around for free play, taking advantage of the occasional casino stupid offers, etc. But not a single confirmation of anything except from other un-confirmed anonymous forum members.

I once was in Vegas for a week and tried to hook up with the famous Axelwolf though the forums. He dodged me like a hot potato. He claimed there was nothing to gain from meeting me. I was hoping to make a friend in Vegas, and interested in his gambling lifestyle. Afterall, he plays himself off on forums like the know it all, king of AP. I was also looking forward to showing off a little bit of my lifestyle.

He no doubt was out-classed by me, and I think embarrassed to make an appearance. Of course, I had nothing to offer other than friendship and a good time. I am not or ever was a casino AP. Axelwolf will tell you he feared me exposing him. This comment by him tells me he truly doesn’t understand anything about being a professional.

Ten plus years of nothing but hot air coming from his posts is all you need to know about him. Only to be out posted on forums by Kewlj for 20 plus years. Thes two guys are nothing but hot air trying to convince anyone that reads these forums of otherwise. Anyone spending this much time on forums without confirmation you know have serious mental problems, and more than likely are broken down shoes.

Let us not forget the gambling math genius Mike from WOV. If it wasn’t for the sale of his forum to alleged interesting people, who wanted to hustle online idiots to illegal online casinos in third world countries at the time, he would still be pan-handling with his tin-cup like he did on his own forum. He was asking for donations trying to put his daughter through college and pay his bills. It’s all in the math right Kewlj?

Just the fact that Kewlj mentions these 3 anonymous alleged gambling forum AP’s as being successful is another confirmation he knows nothing about them. Just like himself, he and most everyone else don’t know their real names, ever meet them, or know a single fucking fact about them. Let alone knowing a single thing about their present financial status.

Then again if Kewlj says their professional AP’s simply because he could tell who is real and who is not based on what he reads on gambling forums, who are we to doubt him?

 

Do you honestly think those listed above give a flying fuck what YOU or anyone else thinks of them? They DON’T need yours or anyone else's "confirmation" for anything you stupid motherfucker.

 

if its not obvious to you after 20 years of posting they care what we think of them, then its even more obvious you're the STUPID MOTHERFUCKER.

 

The long post by Blackhole a couple posts above is exactly like Rob Singer's post. No one that reads that will come to any conclusion other than Blackhole has some strong bias / hatred towards AP's. I don't know exactly what it is. I get the feeling it is some sort of connection to the casino industry. But it could just be the now pretty common anti-AP bias prevalent on these forums now. Or maybe it is something like because he has been successful outside of gambling (as he tells us), that he doesn't like the thought of people making good money from the casinos. Like maybe he doesn't think they work for it or earn it or something. I have no idea what he is thinking or what the basis of his bias is, but there is very obviously a bias there.

Blackhole talks about Axelwolf being unwilling to meet him. Is that the source of this bias? He feels slighted that an AP wouldn't want to risk meeting a stranger from a forum? Especially one that has repeatedly demonstrated an AP bias?

It has been my position forever that I would not meet strangers from an internet forum. And I think some of the off forum incidents and people doxxing me incidents, pretty much confirms I was right all along. I mean my initial concern was casino employees, or database people looking to out me. But now there just seems to be all kinds of crazy's hell bend on harming AP's.

 

Your whole concept of thinking things out is all based on assumptions of others, not fact. You have no idea the conversations I had privately with Axelwolf via pm in the past prior to my trip.

Just because I need confirmed facts to go along with what anyone wants to tell me does not make me bias. Of course, there are certain people and conditions where that doesn’t come into play, but on a gambling forum I can’t think of one condition that doesn’t come into play.

Like that saying goes, “believe nothing of what you hear, and only half of what you see”

Just the fact that you think everyone who don’t buy into your bullshit is out to get you is a serious indication of mental issues.

News Update !!!! No one gives a fuck about you or how many cocks you suck. We just are convinced after 20 years you’re full of shit. Like you always say, you could just tell who is telling the truth and who isn’t.

The survey confirms your so full of shit, you can’t stop throwing it up on gambling forums.

 

Dude, you just proved my point. Just look at the hostility in your post. There is no need for such hostility. The fact that this is where you immediately go exposes your bias

And you are absolutely free to believe whatever you like. Everyone is.

Admittedly, it is a fault of mine that because I am not a good communicator, I immediately think I didn't explain something well, so I try again and harder to be clear. But I have now come to realize that isn't the problem. The problem is that there are certain people that don't want to hear what they don't want to hear. You are one of those people.

If I say the grass is green and the sky bkue, I literally have people that don't want to hear it and will argue with me. And usually it has nothing to do with gambling as you just demonstrated.

 

I think the documentary Inside the Edge (2019) provides reasonable angles as to whether what kewlJ has reported can be done (at least in 2019). It's an unadorned film, featuring a card counter who has grown up with a father who was expert, and who has family backing financially to power through any rough spots, which are two enormous advantages that, say, kewlJ never had. So you can watch the film and decide how likely or honest the reporting has been. The counter operates at a higher level than kewlJ, which has its plusses and minuses.

As to whether, roughly five years after filming, it can still be done, is debatable, but most of the experts in the film come down on the side that it's not dead yet.

'Inside The Edge' Humanizes The Romanticized World of Professional Gambling (decider.com)

 

OPTX unveils AI feature called "game changer" for casinos — CDC Gaming Reports

Jean Scott gave the heads up to this article in her blog. The AI tracking of players is simply more comprehensive than what has occurred in the past.

Player cards are great for "multi-carding," but how many years are we away from simple retinal scans? Five? Ten? Then what, you borrow other folks' eyes?

The Avengers - Loki in Germany (HIGH QUALITY) - YouTube

 

Finally, it's worth noting that the LVA seems to have few illusions about the current state of Las Vegas and American gambling. If being an"AP" were as easy as forum folk say, everyone on the LVA payroll would be rolling in it. They have the education, they have access to history and experts, they have the social opportunities for team play for any endeavor. But that is not what's happening there.

Same with Shackleford. Every opportunity, both in knowledge and social networking, to whiz bang through AP play, if it could be done.

There are reasons GWAE shut down. Those reasons weren't that things got easier and there were more and more expert "APs."

 

So, how is Tahoe treating you, Rob? Why don't you post a scenic pic of Lake Tahoe?

LOL.

Speaking of lying slugs, not that there's anything wrong with that.

 

I don't think GWAE is ending because of anything to do with advantage play opportunities. There clearly are more AP opportunities than ever before. Dancer is getting into his late 70's now. I don't know how old Munchkin is, but he has been doing the show for a while now. Hosting GWAE isn't something that is a major source of income for these guys. I think the show has just run its course.

And you seem to be implying that Shackleford isn't a successful AP. What is your source for that. It is my understanding from some that know him personally that he does pretty well. And he does a little bit of everything, although not much card counting anymore unless there is some lucrative side bet he can exploit or maybe a promotion. He is just not a guy that shares what he makes publicly.

I hope you are not going by these guys and comments about Mike "putting out the tin cup" prior to selling his sites. That is non-sence. It doesn't take much to keep a forum running. Mike certainly could have afforded that small monthly amount. But he wanted his sites to be self-sufficient. Back then there were two ways to do that. One is to accept a lot of advertising and banners and the other is where you charge a monthly subscription fee to access the forum or site. Did you ever visit BJ21? That was a subscription format. There was a free section, but all the action was on the green chip subscription section. I think that is what Mike was considering and before he went to that, he wanted to see if members would voluntarily pay for the upkeep. Of course then LCB came along and made an offer he couldn't refuse. That "tin cup" deal was not because Mike couldn't afford to pay for the site to keep going.

Now here is the thing about being an AP for a living and I am going to lean on my card counting experiences for examples. It isn't about the knowledge so much. Stanford Wong used to say a monkey could be taught to count cards. In addition to the knowledge you have to have the bankroll and you have to have the mental strength and ability to be willing to part with that money. This is where a lot of card counters and APs in general fail. Especially early on in their careers. It is all honky dory when you are winning. What happens when you start losing for fairly long periods? Is that player still willing to put out the money necessary or does he tighten up afraid to be what is necessary, afraid to make the aggressive plays, double downs and splits when necessary. We call that playing with scared money. A lot of players just can't get through that.

Here is an example about the guy that posts as ZenKing. I know you know the story, he moved to Vegas with a 50k bankroll. So at some point fairly early on, he lost 10, 12k, and started to panic. He was talking about quitting and going back home. So he was never really playing to a 50k bankroll. He was playing to maybe 15k, maybe 20k, whatever he was actually willing to lose before he threw in the towel. And since he was basing his bets on a 50k bankroll, he was over betting. That is fatal. Luckily Zenking had a pretty good support group of AP's here and I think they helped talk him through it. He took some time off, regrouped, complained alot on forums and started winning.

So the people you speak of at LVA, I don't know any of them. Did they really have everything necessary to succeed, or just some knowledge? Did they panic the first time they hit a rough spot and start over betting or play scared, shortening up their bet spread? I know.... they weren't all card counting, but it is the same principal with all AP. It isn't just about the knowledge.

And I hate to say this but it is good that the majority of players don't have everything it takes. If they did, this town would be overrun with winning players and casinos wouldn't be able to offer ANY beatable games.

This is actually what I have done on the forums. I decided early on that I wasn't some top math guy that had anything new to offer. I decided what I was going to do was share my journey as I went through it. The ups and down, the good the bad, for as long as it lasted to show just what being a card counter/AP was really all about. All the variance, and massive swings and long losing streaks or periods. Most of that was before I joined VCT and met you, so you may not know. But I shared one year early in my career that my bankroll was about 100k, maybe a little under. I started the year on a major losing streak. I think I was down 32K or 34k, in the beginning of April. How many people would have continued on having lost 1/3 of their bankroll, which was my entire net worth at the time? I think most would have quit, found a job, ect. I pressed on. So, it isn't just the knowledge, you have to have that ability to not quit, when it gets tough. To not panic, believe in the math. That is a special kind of mentality, I think. You go through it a few times and all is confirmed and becomes easier. But some players, many players never make it through the first time or two. THAT may very well be your players that now work at LVA. Maybe they just didn't have that mental ability needed. They may have had the knowledge. But that is only a part of what it takes.

Again, I have been speaking of blackjack card counting, but it is ALL advantage play. Sometimes you run good and sometimes you run bad, even when playing with an advantage. And if you are living off that money most people just aren't mentally equipped to press on through the bad periods.

 

By the way, if you ever talk to some dealers, half of them, especially the middle aged and older ones are card counters that couldn't cut it. Some pit folks too.

It isn't surprising that AP's that couldn't cut it (or failed APs) find something to do like dealer or even work at LVA that keeps them around the game. A lot of sports guys that didn't make it do that too.

 

A couple of comments:

1) I sincerely doubt that there are more advantage plays than ever. I just do not know where you come up with this. Not in blackjack. Not in poker. Not in video poker. Not in promos. Not in comps and comp selling.

2) "A lot of sports guys that didn't make it do that too." To repeat, I really do not know where or how you come up with this stuff. There are a hundred million people in this country trying to beat sports. The number of people "beating it" long-term is likely in the low hundreds. You're about as likely to beat sports long term as to be struck by lightning.

I believe it was Betfair that was forced around 15 years ago to publish their number of winners because of a lawsuit. They had hundreds of thousands of accounts. The number of six-digit winners was shockingly low, less than two dozen.

 

The increase in advantage plays that I speak of are 1) slot machine. The kind of stuff mickeycrimm specializes in. A decade or 15 years ago there were no or few slot machine advantage play. With a whole bunch of new machine, many Working off a meter that can trigger +EV play, there are enormous opportunity. 2) similarly with new table games and all the side bets. 20 years ago there was blackjack, roulette and craps. Now there are dozens of table games and new ones all the time and they have side bets that can be beaten at certain times.

Plus there are opportunities with all the online casinos and Sports betting because if promos. I know you refuse to admit that but it is true.

 

And there you have it folks. Another wash rinse and dry of Kewlj’s career as a Las Vegas blackjack hustler.

Sadly, there were several assumptions he made throughout his post as usual.

Complete assumptions why GWAE is coming to an end. He has no fucking idea why it happened or any confirmed facts. Just assumptions. He also showed no confirmed facts and I quote him, “There clearly are more AP opportunities than ever before.” Of course, being a blackjack player, he would know all about them since it is clear. Yet again, just another misguided assumption.

Then he said quote, “And you seem to be implying that Shackleford isn't a successful AP. What is your source for that. It is my understanding from some that know him personally that he does pretty well.” Once again you heard from some others that know him, say he is doing well. Are these the same people or alleged AP’s that post on his forum. Regardless who told you that, at this point it’s just another assumption.

Quote, “I hope you are not going by these guys and comments about Mike "putting out the tin cup" prior to selling his sites. That is non-sence. It doesn't take much to keep a forum running. Mike certainly could have afforded that small monthly amount.”

He did put out the tin cup on his site and specifically said for his daughter’s college and to pay bills. This came soon after he lost that one online casino that dumped his advertising. Soon after he sold the site for alleged big bucks, he deleted all tin cup pleas from the forum. I assume his new bosses wanted it that way to keep the myth alive about his success. After several forum members made donations to him, they had to request several times to get their monies back after selling the site. Not sure if they ever did get their money back. What I found surprising is how all of these self-proclaimed successful AP’s on his site couldn’t hook him up with a play or two or three to help him out.

Since you claim there are endless new casino plays that exist and are coming out every day, why would you stick to blackjack? You should be able to join the AP multi-millionaire club soon.

 

I have done more AP stuff than you know about Blackhole. I have done some hole-carding, some big 6 wheel play, I played the video poker - mailer game for 8-9 years. Done some promotions. Played some side bets. Took advantage of continuous shuffle machines. Worked with an AP friend and his team on both some non-bj table game play and machine play.

But through it all, blackjack card counting has been my bread and butter. It has been a method of AP play that I actually enjoyed.

That may be coming to and end or at least my opportunities may be reduced. Time will tell. If that is the case I will expand and incorporate some other opportunities. That is what APs do.

The rest of your post is just more if the same. You clearly trashing APs. I don't know or care what your agenda is, but it is clear to see that you have one.

 

Blackhole, why have you been on gambling forums all these years, just hating on players that have found different ways to play with an advantage and win? What is that about? You clearly have some kind of agenda

 

I'm not trashing anyone. Just calling a spade a spade.

You have no idea why I always had and still have an interest in gambling. I also could tell you when I go anywhere 90% of the time they offer some type of gambling.

I believe many AP moves did and do exist. I'm not into grinding for petty profits. I'd rather have a good time pissing it away and counting on luck to be ahead when the day or night is over. Regardless the outcome nothing changes for me and my family. I don't worry about the math or the long term small advantage. You spend most of your time trying to make a living grinding in casinos all year. I spend an occasional day or a weekend in a casino.