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Red you're so lost on this. Other than myself, no one in my family gambles at or in casinos or has the slightest interest in doing so. They're all into different things in their lives. You're assuming any of them care about if I give them something if I win using their info, or if I pay them for the assist if I lose. It means nothing to them either way. They just care that I'm enjoying myself.

This confusion on your part is probably a result of not knowing what it's like to have a family. With decent people, it isn't the cutthroat business you're guessing it is. I've done a lot for them over the years and they know that. And it all revolves around something called trust.

Please wise up.

 

Just for the record if anyone is interested about the Billy Walters and Phil Mickelson stock issue i referenced in my last post , here is a part of what happened with them.

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"In his closing argument for Walters, Barry Berke mocked the idea that someone as wealthy as Mickelson needed a stock tip from Billy Walters to pay off a gambling debt. Berke said that Walters and Mickelson often shared stock tips, and they shared a connection at Barclays, which was one of Mickelson's sponsors. "What you have is that in July of 2012, Mr. Walters had a high, high conviction that it was a good time to invest in Dean Foods. It was a free roll, it was beaten down, and WhiteWave may happen. ... Some notion that it was because of a gambling debt," Berke told the jury. "You see from the stipulation Mr. Mickelson always paid off, he didn't need any tips, given he made $48 million in one year alone. ... The prosecution's theory is based on lies, speculation and innuendo." The jury disagreed and found Walters guilty of all 10 counts against him. Speaking to reporters after the verdict, Walters said, "I just did lose the biggest bet of my life." Like Davis, Walters faces the possibility of more than 100 years in prison.

In the view of prosecutors, Walters gave Mickelson inside information so he could generate cash to repay the golfer's debt to him.

Mickelson did not escape totally free from his dealings with the insider-trading ring. Walters never cooperated with the authorities, so investigators never learned what, if anything, he told Mickelson about his sources of information about Dean Foods. The government had no proof that Mickelson intended to violate the laws against insider trading. But the SEC named Mickelson as a "relief defendant" in a civil case, meaning that the agency believed that he profited from insider trading in Dean Foods, even if he didn't engage in it himself. Mickelson settled this civil case by agreeing to surrender his trading profits of $931,738 plus interest of $105,291. In doing so, Mickelson neither admitted nor denied the allegations in the SEC's complaint."

And for the record 12 of the 13 felonies I was charged with from the SEC were all trading and tax felonies. After lying to them during their investigation they assumed I was part of all that and threw the book at me. After uncovering I had no involvement in the actual trading schemes, all charges were dropped except for that one which was a fact. My lawyers made a deal to rid that one felony.

 

You're right, I'm lost. I don't understand how somebody could be such a degenerate that they take 85% of their family members' profits from sports bonuses. But, it's as blackhole says, once you're hooked on degeneracy, you'll rip off anybody.

What I love, Rob, is that it's your own words. You're such a self-absorbed exploiter of family that you didn't even realize how off kilter what you were writing really was -- making 28K and tipping 2K or whatever it was -- how exploitative that was. You were bragging about it.

It would be funny if it weren't sad.

And you always bitch about degenerate APs. Is anything worse than tipping your family for the privilege of keeping their money? Yowza, what a scam.

 

Mickelson got taken for a ride; he was in over his head.

Mr. Walters is charming, but even before I talked to him, people warned me of his being a shark to end all sharks. No surprise there.

 

You're the only one around who thinks as warped as this red. Tips? If I won $10mil they wouldn't have expected anything other than my being available to congratulate. I've gifted them houses in the past and my son was paid $50k for carrying a bag of money in and out of a casino.

Again, your words are those of an angry old man that was too selfish and engulfed in your own gambling addiction to have a family.

And you're paying for that mistake right now, as you've been reduced to posting on anemic and irrelevant forums trying to convince a bunch of anonymous posters you're a big deal and you know what you're doing. Psst....you've failed at that also.

 

LOL. I'm not the dude who bragged on making 28K in their family's names and tipping them 2K. Your words, Rob. I didn't write 'em. I just read 'em.

C'mon, dude. Your kids deserve at least a 20% tip, don't you think? I tip a higher percentage for takeout than you tip your family.

 

And kewlJ, regarding the Trump International Hotel questions, you can still get rooms there like a normal hotel. I was checking rates the other day. My filmmaker friend might get a kick out of one night there, so I checked on the pricing, and it's about $170 for a midweek, all fees and taxes included. The base rate is about $120. We'll do four nights at the GN and then one night at either Trump, the Flamingo (for history's sake), or the Tuscany.

 

Weird. Just plain weird.

 

You said you don't teach your family and friends anything about sports betting because it can be an addictive behavior. But now you are saying you do teach your family and friends.

Were you lying when you said you don't teach family? Or are you lying now when you say you DO teach family? Can't have it both ways.

PS: I still have your PM on the 5K free bet. But I also found information from others on working the free bets. I remember thinking their advice was much better than yours. But I'll have to go back and read it again to jog my memory.

What I would really like to see is how James Grosjean (the world's greatest AP) would work the sportsbook free bets.

 

So let's get this straight -- some people think it's alright for Singer to have suckered his family into giving up 90% of the sports bonus money available to them for the honor of him executing a couple of wagers for them?

That's quite an AP move.

 

What a dumbass. Only kew is dumber.

In your flailing attempt to deflect away from mickey's point, you're now claiming I "made bets for my family".

That might be the way the "redietz family" would have operated, had they had the unfortunate reality of existing within a redietz universe. But THANKFULLY, such a group of misfits never had the bad luck of existing. Imagine such a pathetic scenario.

God bless America!

 

You seem to think that getting fucked by a gambler is some sort of news flash.

 

Rob, I think Ditz was telling the truth when he first stated he don't teach his family and friends how to work sports betting promotions. And now he is back peddling to save face. He hasn't taught them a damn thing.

He tried to pile on you by saying he wouldn't have taken a dime for teaching them. If we take him for telling the truth on that then it means he cost his family and friends a hell of a lot of money by not teaching them.

 

Billy Walters believes that had Mickelson agreed to testify he would have been acquitted:

 

The title of this thread is incorrect; KJ has not exited and is not disgraced.

He continues to fight for truth, justice, and the American Way.

 

I agree with MrV, The title of this thread is inaccurate as KJ has not departed nor faced disgrace. He perseveres in his pursuit of truth, justice, and the principles that define the American Way.

 

Not sure what point Mickey is trying to make with this comment. NOT getting fucked by a hard gambler would no doubt be a News Flash.

You no doubt are a hard gambler. I would trust you as far as I could spit. That’s about a yard.

 

Here is a case of Mickey taking the word of another hard gambler about his prediction if something else took place 15 years ago, the outcome might have been different. No kidding.

You must wonder why Walters needs to sell a book now. Did he end up like 99.9% of hard gamblers?

 

Mr. Walters doesn't need to sell a book. He wrote a book because, like for many of us, he feels the clock ticking and wants to leave some kind of recorded legacy. And, oh yeah, film rights figure to make his heirs a bundle. Because there has really been only one of him.

In later life, Mr. Walters' non-gambling enterprises dwarfed his gambling, believe it or not. So while it's correct that he likely never duplicated or maintained his early gambling successes, gambling was not what actually defined his finances.

I say these things not because Mr. Walters was some noble sweetheart. He was not and is not. He's more of a JR Ewing robber baron kind of figure. Probably wore many of JR's hats, come to think of it.

 

What I've noticed from the gambling "APs" is that it's all stories and narratives with minimal corroboration. I don't follow mickey's twitter feed. I guess you could check there and see if he talks actual money results with corroboration or if it's all EV-speak and so on.

Sports handicapping is different. The majority of what you have to say has witnesses -- monitors, predictions in print, television records, clients who can publicly shoot you down in the wink of an eye if you're bullshitting.

Now there are and have been some monster scams -- for example, one "monitor" who published alleged survey results from clients had a beautiful con set-up. They distributed (free of charge, of course) a slick publication highlighting the alleged survey results of a handful of handicappers, some of whom were real, but of course the top two were not.

Overall, however, if someone has predictions in national newsletters on newsstands across the country or has games publicly available to thousands of people before kickoff, it's hard to argue with that as evidence of handicapping skill or lack thereof. Compare that to "professional gamblers," which by the way is a phrase meaning nothing unless you include tax returns, who get on YouTube and post clips from betting a couple thousand here and there. You never have any real idea if they are competent or losing their asses. There's no way to tell.

Just like it's really hard to tell if somebody tooling all over the country playing this and that is actually winning or having a swell time pretending.