Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

I have kept a low profile in the past few days, but I do have a few things to say when I saw KJ and Mickey start talking about Axel. I almost posted yesterday when I saw KJ suggest Axel was the kjisgay guy. I knew there was no way it was Axel and I am glad to see him post here. As I have said before he is a class act who has helped me and others multiple times with his information. He gains nothing by this. Those that degrade him and his skills are just plain wrong, he is the real deal with what he speaks about.....and doesn't speak about on machines. I also have said I have learned from Mickey and KJ, both have much to add to help others. Sure Axel is not going to be a regular here based on how the forum is still filled with a lot of negativity instead of actual gambling info. But that can change over time with more members without an agenda.

I hope KJ knows that a lot of people have defended him in public and private over at WOV. But it appears Mike and he just disagree and too much has gone on publicly and privately to go back. I'm sure Mike has a fear that he will look bad if KJ would ever come back and it would start again.

I did and do feel real strongly about trying to remove debate and discussion about KJ over there, which resulted in my recent suspension. I have said many times I get the rights of an owner to do what they legally want to ruin their business and by this I mean Chan. But I also get how some people feel they were treated unfairly by some people over there. I think it was a huge step for Mike to publicly admit he told me not to come back in the heat of anger. Obviously the KJ situation has been weighing on him. I appreciate him taking the step to welcome me back if I wanted. I have no hard feelings toward him and meant what I said in the post that got me suspended. Time has not changed my opinion on that.

I will continue to read posts over there, communicate with the people I know and consider friends. I do hope in time this site grows into something that can become an asset to the community but it seems there are some people who are honestly just here to cause trouble. And I am not taking about Larry, who makes some valid points. But I also see some of the same types at WOV, every forum has them.

People will never agree on everything but I can hope for a place where people disagree on anything without resorting to personal attacks and name calling that has nothing to do with the issues. I have been more than guilty of it many times. I only can speak for me, but I hope I can be a start.

 

It's funny last night when I made my 2 posts responding to Axelwolf, I was thinking that these were two of my better posts (and longer) in how I was able to express myself. One of my problems is that I often have trouble getting my points out just the way I like and the 5-minute edit rules doesn't help with that. Sometime when I read afterwards, I am not thrilled with the way it came out.

But these two post, I thought I made my points pretty well. So I was thinking too bad they are in the 'off-topic dumpster' where no one will see them. Then presto....they were moved back into 'prime time'. lol.

 

KJ

Allow me to paraphrase, as My cut and paste abilities on this phone suck.

I don't think what I'm doing is attacking you, but I promise I'll never let this go. I'll bring this up every chance I get. If I get a chance to go on radio, this is what I will choose to discuss. I'll write about in my book, everywhere I go, this is I want to be known for. I intend to haunt you the rest of your life. How dare you choose a lifelong friend over me.

Admittedly, not your words, but certainly the gist of your message. Just how did you expect him to react? How would you react to such threats?
In the short time I'm here, you've also taken issue with Elliot Jacobson, for calling you a small time player.
The strange thing is that's exactly what you claim to be. You've perfected the art of playing below the casinos radar.
Some friendly advice- don't let your ego get in your way. In my former business, hardly a day passed without somebody attacking me for something, almost always unjustified, in my eyes. I expended many hours trying to figure out who these attackers were so I could ban them from my club, and defending myself on the sites.
Eventually, I realized it just wasn't worth it.
Do your thing and don't worry about others. Just think how much money you could have made in the hours wasted fighting with Norm and the rest.

 

I respect your opinion, even as it is wrong....Mr Irish.

I acknowledge not everything I have said or done in the aftermath has been productive. Sometimes frustration has gotten the best of me.

In answer to your quote “How dare you choose a lifelong friend over me”.

In this instance...yes, absolutely, that is wrong. I am happy if Mike and Norm are friends. Hangout, go to a ball game, go camping, take a unicycle trip up the coast. Do what friends do. That's great. But for a guy that runs a website relating to AP, it is not acceptable to side with that friend, who isn't even a real member of the site, over someone that by Mike's own words, was one of the sites “most valued members”.

For those of us that give our time and effort, contributing for 4+ years, we expect a little more objectivity than that and Mike has a responsibility to be objective. And it isn't purely a case of “Mike's site, he can do as he wishes”. When his inappropriate cronyism actions reflect on someone's reputation and credibility, throughout the community, I think that person (in this case me) has a right to fight back. And this isn't just my perception that his actions in siding with and allowing Norm to attack me, have damaged my reputation. AxelWolf just confirmed what I have been saying.

I really didn't intend to make any sort of announcement of my upcoming book yet. But Axelwolf requesting that I release private communications, meant I had to. But, just to set the record straight, I am not writing a book about this incident. The book deal was signed quite a while ago and it is about my AP journey. But I have decided to include a chapter or two about the AP community and message boards, because it is such a dysfunctional part of this community. Everything is such a pissing contest and everyone trying to prove they are better than the next guy and cronyism. It's just insanely dysfunctional. Maybe that says something about all of us, concerning egos and personality traits. But yes, I will have something to say about these particular goings on.

 

KJ, congrats on the book deal. Never hurts to make a few extra bucks for your hard work. Anything you can tell us about the book? Is this is more of a "journey" book or a guide?

 

I know nothing about any of this. As an (older and wiser) outsider, I halfway agree with shad. However, it also looks as if Shackleford is used to doing things without repercussions. It's Las Vegas, folks. There are repercussions around every corner. So even though KJ's statement could be considered semi-adolescent, it sends a message, so good for KJ.

Personally, I would have simply gone about the business of sabotaging Shackleford without giving him a head's up. You don't get bonus points for warning people.

 

I tried.
Best of luck.

 

try learning the back story next time before you post an ignorant comment about something you know nothing about........
I highly doubt you tried to learn what Kewlj's beef is yet you come in here trying to act like some wise old man. didn't work bud

Mike Shackleford has mistreated people over & over & over & over & over...............
by the way your analogy is dumb. There's nothing wrong with a mistreated customer like Kewlj & the others sharing their story about a clueless business owner like Mike Shackleford


to Kewlj: I look forward to reading you're book!!

 

I spent about a dozen hours reading everything I could find on this situation, across several forums, because it involves three people I highly respect, two of whom I'd consider internet friends.
As I never made an anthology, I have no idea what you are talking about. Fairly sure you don't either.

 

Thanks for the support Boz. I'm sure it's too generous. I'm no saint, I'm not the richest, im not the best gambler (or close), I'm not the nicest, I'm not the most generous, I have my faults. But, I'm am who I am, I and do what I'm no slouch and I can get shit done If I can't do it myself Ill figure a way to get it done. I keep my word and I never screw over anyone. I don't go around making up shit. I'm sure I have changed a few details downplayed something told a small lie, to protect a play, myself or others when I felt it was necessary.

I don't claim to have the highest possible integrity. I'm taking that chip overpayment the dealer mistakenly gave me or the extra drawing tickets(unless I think someone is losing their job over it, but I'm returning a lost slot ticket or giving back an over payment from the cashier.


I dont volunteer in homeless shelters and whatnot (I have been thinking of volunteering at the college in the girls dorm, can I get credit for that? (-: )
But I try to help others the best I can, I'll help people in need and not just financially, I'm not greedy and friends, family, teammates are more important than money. I have taken a chance and helped a few people get started in AP.

I have even given people 2nd and 3rd chances. And no, I'm absolutely no pushover or candy ass.

I just told my niece I would pay for her to go go school help her get a car and whatever as long as she had a solid plan(shes a bit wishy washy probably because her BF) He father and mother should be helping her, but whatever.

I work with a great smart group of people who do much of the work and even pick up my slack, I wouldn't want to do it without them. They're all relatively "new" and motivated regarding AP, less than 5 years give or take Compared my 20+ years both solo and with others I prefer to amalgamate with others, I especially like the camaraderie.

I have meet many good people like yourself on WOV or connected with them though people at WOV and so I chose to hang my hat there. If people want to fault me for that that's on them I don't plan on leaving WOV anytime soon, but if I do, it will probably be on my own terms.

I'm not interested in posting much here I only came to set the record straight with KJ. Had it been most other people I would've let everyone believe it. I just didn't want KJ to think I was a gaycist gay bashing homophobic hater. I don't doubt our paths will cross sometime, AAMOF I'm certain I have played near his partner.
I won't stop telling gay jokes or making joking comments unless that person is truly offended.

I would perhaps participate more and encourage others to do so, but I can't in good continuous do that while people are constantly bashing many people I like. It's one thing to call them out foe supposed hypocrisy or whatever but what's up with the gay bashing, fat shaming, marital issues, saying crude stuff about significant others(Mickey shame on you) and getting extremely personal? IMO there are lines and they are being crossed.

 

Hey, Axel. Sorry for the insults but that's the way I am when I'm drinking. I'll try to do better. I seen you guys on the Riverside $5 progressive. I'm thinking it was 1997. But your backs were to me and I didn't get a good look at you.

The first time I played Draw Till U Win (103.2%) was 2002, I think. Everyone did a good job keeping the game a secret from me. Yeah, I know it was 2002 now. The first one I found was in the Las Vegas Club and it disappeared just a few days after I found it. The game was pretty much torched out of Vegas by then.

When I drug up on the Pioneer/Laughlin play in May 2002 Randy knew I got arround the state and asked me to keep an eye out for a game called Draw Till U Win. I asked him if he had the strategy. He told me to just call him if I found any, especially $1 denom.

What Randy didn't know was I could calculate video poker strategy with nothing but a pocket calculator and scratch paper. The game couldn't be analyzed with the software anyways.

So since the game was torched out of Vegas my idea was to search the I-80 corridor from Reno to Wendover. I knew some things about the corridor that other hustlers didn't. I found the game in casinos on the corridor but I also knew that tons of bars on that strip had Bally Gamemakers in the bartops.

But I did pay Randy back for tipping me off to the game. I gave him a $1 DTUW at Stockmen's in Elko.

 

Axel,

Your two posts here are the longest posts that I have read from you. I respect you and WoN, KJ, MC, and anyone else who have been able to make a living doing what you do. I only gamble on occasions and have a full slate with family and job commitments so I can only admire from a far. GL in your continuing quest against the casinos.

 

Ok I'm confused. This thread title is WOV forum is dying. Yet is all about kewlj. Shouldn't there be another off topic board titled "all about kewlj" ? And a comment about actively moving posts all of a sudden to another board was ...um moved to another board.
We have kj vs kjgy board, this board hasn't been about reasons wov is dying in months. Give kj his own board.

 

Actually the entire KJ situation is part of why some think WoV is dying. Not sure what you are looking for.

 

I disagree! This thread is all about the decline of WoV. Several of us have posted number from independent tracking sites that show a 30-33% decline in both daily and monthly visits at WoV. The reason for this decline is Shackleford's attitude towards and treatment of members that have lead to an exodus of once considered valuable members from the site for variety of reasons. And that is what has been discussed....right on topic.

It is true that my situation has been sort of a high profile part of that discussion of late, and with my coming to this site several weeks ago, that has created a lot of buzz, more views, and current/former members of WoV, popping in to join the discussion. I sort of view that as a positive development. I think not only the discussion here, but some cross discussion with some folks taking the topic back and forth have opened quite a few eyes to Shackleford's dishonesty and lack of integrity in the way he dealt with many of us former members and continues to deal with or in some cases not deal with but just ignore his own membership.

 

As a founding member of this thread, yes it has at times gone off topic as far as gay bashing goes. But in general KJ has stayed on topic and is not detrimental to the spirit of the thread.
All people can do is to complain about the methods I use to being out the truth. But the kj incident has reinforced my allegations and just added another layer of proof.
people cannot refute the facts. Maybe the way I present them....but the facts have always stood as solid.

 

If it was truly in the "heat of anger"....he would have immediately apologized. Instead he waited 7 days. Wow that "heat" lasted a full week.
More like it...people behind the scenes were telling him he is getting roasted on this site and he is looking real bad....so just before your suspension expired...he makes an apology.

Obviously way too late for someone who just acted in the heat of the moment.

If he was really sorry, he would have woken up the next morning and made good on his supposed heat of the moment behavior with an apology

He has told others not to let the door hit them in the ass....so why do you think you are so special to get an apology.

Obviously the heat from here now is too hot.....the heat scortched him for a fulll week until he broke and gave in

but the others who he told to go away if they didnt like it........well I guess they can still go fuck themselves.....no apology to them

 

And that's a shame. What he should care about is getting it right. Fixing the wrong that he privately admitted. And doing so wouldn't make him look bad it would raise his stock as far as integrity. (and it's pretty low right now)

Ya think???

Now months after I have been gone, every time someone raises the topic of KJ and/or Wizards handling of the situation on the "Discussion of the suspension list 2 thread" and you can just see Wizard's blood boil.

In mid-May, 3 months after I have been gone Bluechow posts a thread entitled "KewlJ" and Mikes immediate response is some sort of half baked threat "'ll be watching you". Bluechow responds that Mike's response was "snarkey", which it absolutely was, and boom....3 day suspension for bluechow. And No, I was/am not bluechow as some surely suspected. But he is a member here now...welcome bluechow.

So the "KewlJ" thread runs for 2 weeks, 28 pages. One of the very top threads day after day. Again, you can just sense Mike's blood boiling as he has to look at that title day after day, until finally he closes the thread. The most popular thread at the time. LOL! He says "I hate to do this on the grounds of free speech but..." What he should have said after the "but" is that he can't stand being reminded day after day, how unprofessional he was in his handling of the situation and that he can't stand being reminded that he is not big enough to fix the wrong that he knows he did.

So an hour after he closes the "KewlJ" thread, you (Boz), questions the closing of the thread with a thread entitled "Closing KJ thread, Really?" Boom....7 day suspension with the immature, hothead "feel free not to return" comment.

So, yeah....weighing heavy?? I'd say the man is having a breakdown.

 

he is feeling something that a dictator rarely feels.....................consequences

and he is finding that the consequences of being a uncaring dictator in a "for profit" business.....is unrelenting customer complaints.

he thought he was in hos insulated world where he had total control....but newsflash.....he has no control over the rest of the internet.

when you are the big fish in a small pond....sometimes you forget that there are other ponds out there

 

I might have believed you if you said yoou read up on this but you had to throw in that you spent a "dozen hours" reading up
yeah right..........like anyone here really believes that you spent 12 hourrs reading up on everything. bullshit

if you really did spend that long then please recap the whole Kewlj-Qfit saga for us to show that you know the story??
yeah I didn't think so....................

and the dumb analogy you made was when you said you were a business owner and you didn't waste time responding too people who attacked you and you said Kewlj should do the same
that was a very idiotic analogy because MIKE SHACKLEFORD is the business owner here not Kewlj!!

so you should be telling MIKE SHACKLEFORD to brush off the criticism.
but you won't because you're just trolling this thread so we all see right threw you..........