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He said it does happen if the guy counting is a bad counter.

Coach may be going for the theory that MDawg pretended to be a bad counter so he could get those rules, then played with those rules until shut down. Then, MDawg undoubtedly did the same up and down the strip at each locale. That would be quite a theory.

Or maybe coach is going for the theory that MDawg is indeed a bad counter, but he got lucky over and over and the casino decided to offer him the spread rules anyway because they recognized him as a bad counter. The appeal of this theory is that MDawg has been winning all this time while being a bad counter and being tolerated by casinos based on theoretical. Of course, this is even wilder than the first theory since a bunch of people would have been fired because of MDawg's winning, but they probably still love The Dawg anyway.

Just like I love coach. He should start his own gambling podcast.

 

This has evolved into a bunch of BS, deflections, changing what was said, challenges and wagers that have nothing to do with what was originally being discussed and challenged. Same as these things always do on every gambling forum.

What is at issue is that Mdawg made a post back in July claiming that he played double deck on the strip for 10 straight hours using a $100-$5000 bet spread, and won $60K. He also talked about winning every single $500 chip in the rack or that being his goal.

This is what a number of people at WoV and myself and now Wizard are challenging. Not that he can count like rainman. Not when a casino will or won't issue a check instead of cash. these are all deflections introduced by Mdawg so he didn't have to answer Wizards concerns.

The things being challenged are 1) $100-$5000 spread. 2) any reasonable spread for 10 consectutive hours playing double deck. And 3) both the above resulting in a $60k win. This is all fantasy nonsense. Pit people would be fired for allowing this crap. Not have to answer for it, but fired right on the spot.

I guess Mike introduced or used the term "bad counter". He shouldn't have. all he did was give another chance for Mdawg and his co-horts to deflect from the real issues and concerns. Mike was trying to say if an evaluation which would have been ordered almost immediately showed the player not playing a winning game, he might be allowed to continue.

Card counting just isn't hard. Pretty hard to make mistakes counting, enough to make you a "bad counter". Generally, a bd counter will be someone who counts and when it is time to put out their bigger bets, hesitates and balks....is afraid to put out the big money. This could result in a counter not placing big enough wagers in the advantageous situations to overcome all the negative hands. So he still might be playing a negative game or maybe break even. That is a bad counter. But that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking a 1-50 spread. Pretty hard to be a bad counter with that kind of spread.

It is deflection after deflection here so Mdawg doesn't have to answer Mikes concerns about the 3 things mentioned above that are ridiculous and unbeleiveable (mike's words).

 

Sounds like this Pac Islander we know.

 

I hadn't considered any theories about MDawg's $60K trip report, Blackjack players go on heaters all the time.

Making occasional $5K bets at a $100 table, then dropping back down, is not unusual.

The Wizard says that it does happen...of course it happens.

Casinos don't panic over 10-hour sessions or $60K wins in their high limit rooms...the big joints have all taken much worse hits than that.

I've seen players announce that they intend to empty chip racks of certain denoms, and I've even seen some do it.

This may seem like a big deal to some people, but I don't understand all the fuss.

 

Coach belly cut the trolling rhetoric. Let me share my blackjack history with you.

I started in Atlantic City playing red chip level for 4 years. The first 3 years my max bet was under $100, my 4th year my max bet was barely over $100 at $125-$150. So none of those years count. My 5th and half of another year I was spreading $25-$300 and quickly wore out my welcome at just that level. Players that I talk to that still play AC tell me it has only gotten worse.

So I now live in Vegas where for my first decade I spread $25-$400. This was well tolerated as long as you kept your sessions short, which would in turn result in smaller wins (and losses). Post covid, I have been forced to play differently. Busier times on the strip. I generally spread $100-$800. Occasionally during very crowded times with bigger betters I can go as high as spreading $100-$1200. But my current spreads are only tolerated for a short time. Short sessions. A player just can't sit there playing even these limits I am mentioning for 10 straight hours. I don't think a player can get 1 straight hours at such a spread, but maybe it everything falls right, meaning crowded condition, with bigger bettors that surveillance has their eye on. Maybe for an hour!

But $100-$5000...come on man.

Now you seem to be saying that you see this kind of thing ($100-$5000 spreads and $60K wins) all the time. Not that unusual. So can you fill us in on your blackjack card counting experiences? Where do you see this routinely? AC that you live near? If so they must have changed a hell of a lot from the time they ran me out playing $25-$300 and everyone I talk to say the only changes in AC are for the worse not better....that they are less tolerant.

Perhaps you have extensive experience and knowledge playing Vegas at these limits. Can you tell us about it? Or are you just trolling and making up on the fly for the sake of trolling?

 

Oh , you’re back from Hawaii surfing. You obviously got the vip rescue from the island inferno as I’m sure they didn’t want a lawsuit filed by the bj gloryhole forum,cum founder and ceo.
Oh how’s that arm injury coming along, the super payoff injury from casinoverse loser vagarsevillage?
Oh can you re explain the maphjizz formula you use to earn plus$1:5 million playing barebackblack Jack at 10 hours per week with an average spread of $180 ish for 20 years?
Oh and while you’re at it can you explain how you calculate earnings while you were dead for a few months.
Welcome back kewlj ,,,,,I for one am glad you are back as you are the perfect benchmark to use as a barometer of loathing when it comes to the crap blackwhole copy and pastes about.
He like you periodically discredits the rare useful pieces of great information you both on occasion have submitted to be nullified by your own personality and your obvious mental health issues.
Oh is that sunburn or wildfire damage to your back ? Don’t let it get weepy with pus, you will have a devilish time keeping the house rats away.
Welcome back can hardly wait for you next tall tales to begin.

 

They can if they are a VIP guest from out of state, staying in the hotel, drawing markers, and playing rated.

You obviously do not know everything about how Vegas works.

A 10-hour session and $60K win is not unusual under these conditions.

Try it and report back.

 

Las Vegas doesn't have VIP guests that are long-term winning or advantage players!

Las Vegas Strip casinos have the top notch surveillance using the latest and top technology.

The kind of VIP "winning" player isn't tolerated for long.

This is NOT 'owning mahoney' movie that MDawg keeps eluding to.

 

The reason UNKewlJ rehashes his ENTIRE own fictitious blackjack story, worn SMOOTH through years of use, again and again (and again) with so many of his posts is because he is so desperate for someone to believe it, and he knows no one does.


RobSinger on the UNKewl one: #1 with this guy is how you can almost SEE & FEEL the puny little twit jumping up and down, screaming like a toddler who just got his baba taken away by a big bad bully. Bonus #2? He posts long-winded, rambling drama-laced "I NEED TO set the record straight or I'll go OUT OF MY MIND!" paragraphs that never seem to satisfy, as he then repeats the same things over and over again.

Ozzy: Rob, you certainly have the UNKOOL1 number though, you have him pegged !

 

Let's talk about something less controversial and even more obvious than that UNKewlJ is a compulsive liar...the fact that AxelWolf has never in his life gotten a casino cage check for a table game win, and yet is going on and on blah blah blah KewlJ style, implying that he could get a check after buying in for cash, and playing at a Las Vegas table game without a verified win.

https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gam...47-the-adventures-of-mdawg-ii/360/#post896038

Now, that's the sort of rank stupidity that reigns supreme at some of these forums.

 

That doesn't mean that they won't tolerate 10-hour playing sessions and $60K wins in their high-limit room, for players who don't try to conceal their identity.

You can play breakeven +/- for many hours at a $100 table, then go on a heater, press your bets up to $5K a hand, win $60K and leave.

That doesn't mean you were spreading up to 50x for 10 hours, that's not what MDawg reported that he did.

The casino won't panic, they'll try to get you back playing again...not cut you off and fire employees.

 

Belly, YOU are playing your usual coach belly games. Mdawg said none of what you are now supposing with your maybe he did this. Maybe he did that.

Double deck in Las Vegas is very closely watched. Players that dare play double deck refer to it as a "counter trap" because it is so closely hawked. Do you seriously think in the high limit room it is watched any less? I can guarantee there are at least 3 sets of eyes on a player playing the stakes Mdawg claims. And as soon as he spreads 1-6 or 1-8, a computer software evaluation will be underway. At double deck that evaluation doesn't take long. 10-15 minutes. And that is spreading 1-8, maybe even 1-6. At 1-50, it is just fantasy stuff. It really is. It isn't real.

Spreading $100-$5000 at double deck on the las vegas strip for 10 hours is just not real. It is twilight zone stuff.

Add it to his other fantasy claims: 50 wins in a row. 100 winning sessions out of 104. Well over a 1000 (more like 1200 now) comped suites over a 4 year period while winning millions (plural) of dollars. And all the while pit bosses who would lose their jobs allowing this kind of shit, pat him on the back and tell him how great he is. These things are just not real. They are not the way Las Vegas or the casino industry works.

Anybody claiming these things as well as anybody defending these claims is either just trolling and playing games, or flat out doesn't know how the casino industry works.

If people want to claim this fantasy shit like Evenbob and his roulette or even Singer's many claims, that is fine. Anyone believing it and getting hurt probably deserves it for being so gullible. I will still call it out because it is important to me. But no one should really be getting hurt. Mdawg is a different catagory. He is very good at being convincing even though the math doesn't work. He wows people with his pictures of cash, chips, casino checks, all of which proves one thing and one thing only....that he plays higher limits. He should be called out by real players and people like Wizard and Dan Druff, because he is so convincing and anyone who tries to emulate will end up banned and in the databases.

Quite simply, Mdawg is a at least somewhat wealthy guy who likes to gamble, plays higher limit, wins some, losses some, loses long-term and is comped accordingly, maybe even better than normal because he plays the comp game well. Everything else....all the winning is just some kind of weird, fantasy nonsense. It isn't the way Las Vegas or the real-world works. If players could play a 1-50 spread unmolested, I would have been able to retire about 6 months after I moved to Las Vegas. And there would be about a million card counters playing this city instead of the dozen to 2 dozen that remain. Everything else is just make believe.

 

Let me describe to you a world where players could spread 1-40 (let alone 1-50) unmolested for as long as they like.

Double deck spread $25-$1000 (that is 1-40). A player would earn between $400 and $500 an hour depending on his exact betting ramp and penetration. The bankroll required to play a small fraction of Kelly would be $40-$50k. That would result in basically a zero % RoR. If a player didn't have $40-50k, and only had 30k, he would still be playing fractional kelly, with a very small risk of ruin.

At those levels there would be a million players playing Vegas. Lower bankrolled players would combine BR's until they built it up which wouldn't take long. Or they would borrow money from friends and family. Take out credit card debts and loans. Because essentially that kind of spread unmolested, like Mdawg claims would be casinos giving away money.

But that is not close to how things really work. It is in fact a fantasy world.

 

Now contrast that to the way things really work in Las Vegas.

Most players won't play double deck because it is so closely hawked. Those that do play a 1-6, 1-8 at the most spread. And they probably play some cover like spreading both ways. That means you start with a $200 or $300 bet and drop down when the count goes negative and go up to $800 when the count goes positive. And the play a max bet that is at least somewhat tolerated. And they play short sessions to avoid any software evaluations.

This is the real world vs Mdawgs claims of fantasy world 1-50 spreads at double deck for 10 straight hours.

 

Why does Kewlj keep speaking as if he is an authority on the inner workings of billion-dollar companies? Why does he insist on posting post after post repeating himself over and over and over again? His posts are at the point where you could read just the first few words in any paragraph and already know what he is going to say. You could speed read his posts in seconds avoiding wasting all the time it would take to read his rambling on essays.

He must be a low-end BJ card counter (like MaxPad another alleged Las Vegas AP said he saw) if he for past decades and still claims to be making enough money to support himself gambling out of all places Las Vegas no less.

So, lets talk about how Las Vegas or any other multi-billion-dollar casinos operate.

For decades and still counting Kewlj has been telling BJ stories about his success and how he outsmarted whatever it is these billion-dollar companies could throw at him. Camaras along with crazy modern surveillance techniques, some unknown to us, that could watch every person, every table, every dealer, aware of every card and count being dealt, every where anyone goes, when they come and when they leave, and who knows what else.

For him to get away with any money in these alleged sneaky short sessions being done daily, weekly, and annually for decades, he must be considered lunch money to them. Do not forget he gets no comps for food since he is always flying below the radar.

He keeps trashing Mdawg and anyone else that makes outlandish claims. What is more believable? A well-known whale who plays with crazy money and crazy bets in private pits in front of everyone? Or Kewlj’s stories beating several casinos for decades all while being un-noticed on average for 2K to 3K a week.

Well, there is one thing we now learned and know for sure, Kewlj is a confirmed compulsive liar. He has been exposed trying to fool everyone with confirmed lies after lies.

Regardless who and what anyone believes or not on these forums, when someone is a confirmed compulsive liar, we know for fact never to believe that person.

Definition….

Kewlj :

Noun
1 Making false statements with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth.
2 Something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture:

The Kewlj case is officially closed and has been sealed.

 

You either not have read the rest of the thread, or blocked it out of your mind since it doesn't fit your narrative.

 

This is nonsense...most players (by far) don't know or care if the game is closely hawked.

You're confusing most players with most of the 2 dozen counters you say are left in Vegas.

If you lived out-of-state, stayed in the hotel, drew markers, wagered as expected to justify the comps, or offered your identification when asked, then they would have tolerated your play.

Try it and report back.

But until you do try it, then you are relying on your imagination, not your experience.

 

Why waste any time trying to have obvious logical discussions with a compulsive liar?

The lies will never end.

 

MaxPen on UNKewLyingJ’s ways: You can't get to the truth with a fraud.

 

Look from the beginning, many of us almost immediately pegged Mdawg as a higher limit recreational type (meaning -EV or longterm losing player) by his stories, beginning with the fact that he was playing and claiming all this winning at baccarat.

As time went on, unable to explain how he kept winning at a -EV game over the long-run, Mdawg switched over to blackjack play. He figured everyone knew that blackjack can be beaten so all the questions would stop. He never actually said he was counting cards but alluded to it many times.

But there were several problems with this new blackjack claims of winning. One is that While Mdawg seems to have a basic understanding how card counting works (doesn't everybody by now), he doesn't seem to have a clue how it works in regard to the casino industry and what they allow and put up with and what they don't and what a player has to do to actually get some play in.

Mdawg also doesn't seem to understand that while a small advantage can be realized via card counting over the long run, that this will not result in or account for the things he has claimed like winning 50 hands in a row, and winning 100 sessions out of 104. These things just are not how blackjack card counting works. Card counting is a grind, with a tiny advantage and a tremendous amount of back and forth, (winning and losing) including long losing periods of weeks and even months. You haven't read any of that in Mdawgs accounts....just winning, winning, winning.

Casinos can fairly easily recognize card counters now. To be able to play, players need to really work at it, starting with playing unrated and playing short sessions, resulting in smaller wins (and losses) that no one has to answer for. A guy claiming to play rated spreading 1-50 for 10 hours just is not reality.

So along comes someone like coach belly, I guess speaking for Mdawg who adds elements to his claims. Saying things like casinos allow Mdawg's play because he is a recreational (-EV or losing) higher limit player.

Well which is it? Is the guy a reacreational type albeit higher limit player who can play rated because he loses (although he only mentions his wins on forums), or is the guy a winning player doing something like card counting that gives him an advantage, but the casinos won't tolerate out in the open. He can't have it both ways. That is not the way the real world works.

Trying to have it both ways is what has always identified the Mdawg adventure as a fiction, fantasy type story.