Misc The VCT Thread!

I suppose, if offers are amazing, then you would have to be wrong 1 in 20 or 1 in 10 for you to lose money, so that's better than 1 in 50. But it's still asking a lot to pull this off without hitches or marketing awareness catching you.

At some point, the question becomes why are you doing this? If you love it and you love demonstrating your expertise, great. If you're trying to sell that it's a great way to make a living....

 

I would love to know the honest true odds of retiring successfully after gambling in any form ones whole life for a living. Also, would this include a family with children, health care, owning a home, college tuition for kids, vehicles, just to mention a few of life's necessities.

I'm thinking if we were to be honest, you might have a better chance playing lotto. There is nothing honest about 99% of anything being posted on gambling forums. As far as honesty and gambling forums goes I'm thinking Lotto again. Just look at Kewlj and what he had to say over the years. Bullshit is hitting you in the face every sentence you read of his.

 

Actually only a few hours playing $5 video poker with a theoretical loss of less than $500. And "hoping you fooled the casinos?" WTF LOL. It's been a tried and true strategy for decades. Admittedly it's slowed down. Some casinos caught on quickly. Others it took a while. But some still haven't learned. Everything the casinos know about this type of stuff they learned from AP's beating the shit out of them.

You know, you idiots have bound to have seen a lot of scuttlebutt in the forums about multi-carding. What technique do you think they are using. Running the initial action is called building the card. So run about 40K then wait on the mail. But you don't stop with one card. Build your wife's card. Build your kids cards. Build your grandkids card. That's what multi-carding is. It's done just like I explained to you.

 

1. Card Building has been a tried and true technique for 30 years. Druff was probably intentionally not giving up a lot of information. Why? My guess is he doesn't want others to know about it. Why would he not want anyone else to know about it? Maybe because he doesn't want others to torch it?

2. Sure, it's poke and hope. That is, if you are not privy to any information. It's not the big risk you think it is. Ask Darkoz or Seedvalue.

3. Could this noted AP you allude to be Bob Dancer or Richard Munchkin? I know Bob's theory is EV can't be applied to sports betting. If there was a vote among noted sports bettors your faction would lose, ditz. The point spread itself is applied probability.

4. The problem with your theory about getting kneecapped by marketing is AP's have already made off with all the money, using the technique already described. When a play ends you move on to something else.

5. It's not 1 in 50. A $500 investment can turn into millions. Ask Darkoz or Seedvalue.

6. I have a friend multi-carding in Atlantic City. He's invited me out. But I'm already set. He's running off thousands of dollars a day in freeplay using the technique I described to you. Atlantic City is the hot bed for multi-carding. The casinos there will send out hundreds of dollars a day in freeplay loads for 5 out of the 7 days in a week. And do it for 3 months. Then you start the cycle over again.

7. If you don't believe me about freeplay then ask around the forums for other opinions.

8. And finally....Ditz, you've made a lot of derogatory talk about AP's moving into Sportsbetting. You've made it clear that you don't like AP's chiming in about professional sports betting. You have told us to stay in our own lane, that we don't have a chance, that our opinions are ignorant. Well, here YOU are chiming in, pontificating, speculating about something you don't know a fucking thing about. Should I return the favor and belittle you for doing it?

 

Your question can be applied to any occupation. Restaurants have an 80% failure rate. So what are the true odds of a restauranteur retiring successfully.

No one gets free benefits. You either earn it with your labor or pay for it if you are the business owner.

 

Not speculating, mickey. You're the one speculating. Todd laid out the parameters. Club operating at multiple locations. New promotion for new players. No history from which to draw conclusions. No way to ascertain if the two locations share information going forward, whether they have or not in the past.

I don't assume anything but what was laid out. I'm not in the business of fantasy speculation regarding a players' club allegedly NOT sharing information with, hold your breath, itself.

 

Your narcissism is glaringly apparent. You did a ton of speculating on the veracity of a tried and true play that's old as the hills. And you came to all the wrong conclusions. I suggest you stay in your own lane. You're not cut out for advantage play at anything other than sports betting.

 

Ditz, why are you doing this to yourself. I'm embarrassed for you at your inability to see the soundness of the play. Hopefully, you are not really that stupid and are just trolling.

 

Once again you've shown your ineptitude in math. The dude did not "lay out 35K or 40K." He ran a wager of that amount. He probably played $5 video poker betting $25 a hand. Do you think he lost every hand. The theoretical on double double is about a $440 upfront loss that in the past has turned into millions of dollars of cumulative profit. Do you remember all the complaining in the forums about the casinos cutting back on freeplay? What do you think caused that? It was caused by AP's using the very technique you are criticizing. The casino's got hammered to their knee's.

Willie Allison and Darren Hoke of World Game Protection just did a podcast on the technique. They are well aware of it now. But they didn't always know. They went into the cat and mouse game of trying to shut the multi-carders down.

Here's the thing you don't get, ditz. Every card a multi-carder builds has to be built the same way. Running a wager with a small up front cost. While you pooh-pooh the whole idea the casinos have been pulling their hair out trying to stop it.

So while you are at it why don't you tell card counters that they are futily playing a negative game hoping, speculating, they can get a positive count.

 

I almost hate to jump in refuting your anti-AP rhetoric Redeitz. Mickeycrimm is already doing a fine job of it. But this caught my eye.

What guarantee are you looking for? What guarantees are there on anything in life? A working man can go the job that he has worked for the last 20 years tomorrow and receive a pink slip. You can visit the doctor tomorrow and be told you have little time left. Or as happened to my late partner, visit the doctor's office complaining of an earache/headache and die right there in the doctors office. There are no guarantees in life.

But you make it sound as though a player (AP) that runs some coin-in, looking for the future bounce back type mailers are doing so blindly. There is a track record involved. A track record of decades in some case, of what they can expect from different casinos. And the player is going by his own history of doing this play and/or the history of other players that he has communicated with. Could the casino switch up and not send out that expected bounce back mailers. Absolutely! There is no guarantees. Just as there isn't that your next breath won't be your last. But there is a track record. And expectation based on that track record or history.

 

The idea is to keep that

corralled to just one forum, or better yet, one thread.

 

I agree with you that 80% of restaurant owners fail. The whole world knows that. Usually, the type of people taking that risk think they have or know something special. It is a very difficult field to even consider.

Yet, when you compare that to gambling your whole life for a living it may not look that bad. Gamblers becoming a successful life long career to a happy retirement is more like 99.7% failure. It even makes owning a restaurant not looking so bad.

I am not talking about an AP that pops in and out picking off a few bucks here and there. I am talking about gambling for a career to retirement.

Guys like you, axelwolf, Dumbo Dan, and a few others are not that special. There are many, many more people out there smarter than you and me. Most of all AP’s today never even finished high school. I am talking back in the day when education meant you learned something. Not like today when all you learn is how to suck a dick.

If you, axel, and Dumbo Dan, could figure something out, so good many more people if they wanted to. My impression and opinion for the lack of people getting involved is they figured it is not worth the risk. If it was, the games would be long gone by now or very much more different.

Maybe you are that rare .3 % person that gets it done. If so, good for you.

 

You're being dishonest here, kewlJ. The degrees of faith required to think your corporate job is here tomorrow versus your promotional AP introductory play is here tomorrow are two entirely different things. Two completely different mathematical estimates. Two different bell curves. Frame it anyway you want.

It's interesting. By lumping together the fact that neither is 100% guaranteed, even though they are wildly disparate in likelihood, you are pulling the classic coach belly move. Because something is possible (a corporate failure tomorrow, the next day, next week, etc.), you are giving it equal footing with promotional gambling intro plays, which are quite often ended within 24 hours of being offered. You have copied the coach belly playbook. You realize you just copied him? People in glass houses and all that.

 

Then why are you now dishing out advice on video poker plays?

 

Funny how you injected the word "corporate" trying to change the meaning of what I said. Doesn't really matter. Nothing is guaranteed. For nobody is tomorrow guaranteed. And that goes for employment, advantage play, offers, life.

The rest of you babbling is a guy who is clueless towards advantage play. You are correct that there is no guarantee that if a player puts through xxx coin-in that he will receive xx bounce back or mailer offers. BUT there is a track record. And based on that track record a reasonable amount of expectation.

And if something changes, ABC casino has a change in marketing or policy, or even management or ownership and something suddenly changes, advantage players will figure it out and if not that, then something else. THAT is what advantage play is.

Red, invest in and wear a hat. I am concerned that with your lack of hair, your brain is freezing and brain cells dying.

 

Such a good read--so much ignorance in so few posts!

Mickey is right in that no benefits are free in Corporate America. They are all earned through labor. My wife & I receive $11k/mo. in SS and Pensions (which we really don't even need, thanks to Aerospace generous 401k's and company matching 401k contributions over the years) and we had to work our asses off to get any and all of it.

Is any of it "guranteed"? You bet your ass it is, and compared to gaming industry crap shoots, it's stratospherically better.

Not to put a damper on any of kew's concocted forum life's lies, or red's dithering about AP etc., but I WANT TO SEE MORE BLATHER!!

 

Wrong Ron. Your Social Security isn't guaranteed. As it stands right now, if you live another 8 years, your benefits will be cut. I suspect some deal will be made one way or another to avoid that, but it isn't guaranteed.

And that is my point to Red. Nothing is guaranteed. Not even guaranteed that you will make it to dinner time Ron.

 

Funny how all these alleged pros disregard any post with facts...

 

Hey Blackhole, I had an idea yesterday. Maxpen was taking shots at me because I pay my real estate taxes late each year, usually in November. I thought, hmmm, I post under my real name and people can look up tardy taxes easily enough. Yet none of the "APs" ever offer any verifiable financial statements.

Well, the most obvious financial clue to how someone has done in terms of paying bills is your credit rating. So wouldn't it be great if all the "APs" had to provide a credit report to, say, Todd at VCT so they could post. And their credit rating could be their tagline. They could stay anonymous, but people would know how their bill-paying has been. Cuts through all the BS. You know, see the credit ratings of mickey crimm and Axelwolf and Maxpen and Seedvalue and all the other "AP" luminaries.

Todd is a financial stickler. He likes precision and details and micro-managing. Maybe he'd go for it.

 

Sure, and maybe Dan can require Singer and Seedvalue to submit cock pics to verify their claims of being hung like plow horses.

*Wilbur..."