Roulette Scams WARNING: The owner of the Top Roulette Forums, Steven George Hourmouzis, is a Convicted Scammer

Firstly, IHeatRoulette is not likely Mark Howe. It's more likely Angelo Attoni (who uses various fake names like Kavouras). He owns the roulette 30 and few other sites to promote his roulette system (the Kavouras bet). He's attacking me mostly because I removed his spam promoting his roulette system at my forums. Unfortunately, he couldn't care less for truth. He only intends to discredit me.

His post is full of complete nonsense - mostly recited blatant lies from Mark Howe. Unfortunately anyone can post utter crap about anyone, and it's easier to believe it without doing research. If you are interested in the facts about his rubbish allegations, read this site: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] - read it thoroughly.

But for convenience, I'll respond to the rubbish below. MY RESPONSE IS IN BLUE.

Actually I was convicted of recklessly disseminating inaccurate information about a public company. In laymans terms, I said a company's stock would increase by about 900%. The regulatory authorities thought it was not a justified claim. But after my sentence, my prediction was correct. In fact, the stock price increased by over 1500%. Here's the stock chart:



More details: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

Wow all scams?

I pleaded "guilty" because my lawyer advised at the very least, a jury would consider my unintentional dissemination of inaccurate information to be "reckless". I did NOT plead guilty to defrauding anyone. Anyone who actually took my advice would have made money.

Fraud for what? For being right? Read the details of the case.

Yes and read [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] in detail. Every page.

Angelo, yes I know your real name isn't Ionnis Kavouras, you are a disgraceful character and liar. You have no interest in the truth and should be ashamed of yourself. Is this all about how you posted as Blue Angel on my forum and embarrassed yourself and had to leave? All I did was explain to you why your system eventually failed.

Anyone can see my roulette computers in person and do any testing they want. Anyone can get a free trial of my roulette computers and find out what liars people like you are. The truth is very easy to find. And if people don't care to research, its not my problem.

 

This subject and subsequent discussion confirms my suspicion why AP players and wheel watchers are deemed persons non grata to join certain discussions at RF cc . Unwelcome competition to the computer scam.


Nathan Detroit

 

Directly from the horse's mouth, ladies and gentlemen. Direct proof that nothing that comes out of this convicted scammer's mouth can be trusted. I rest my case.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

Mods can close this thread now. There is nothing left to say. My job here is done.

 

.. and if anyone wants to find the truth about my technology, its really simple:

1. Get a free trial at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] and [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

2. See a demonstration in person or via live webcam: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

3. See video rcordings of public demos on my websites, because thats what all scammers do.

There are plenty of other options to find simple truth. Alternatively, try the Kavouras bet, or Nathan Detroits systems. They totally work.

 

They really dont close any threads here (lol) and as far as your job being done, I still have no idea what the f**k you're talking about. The only person who seems to be pissed off....is you.

Ken

 

Yeah, I've been noticing.....I cant color too far outside the lines there. Thats the thing with the boards THESE DAYS (regardless of owner)....you have to gel properly with the proper people or your stay will be quite bumpy.

I know, I know, I know, if you dont like it Ken, there's the door. Its still bad business. Thats my opinion and I am allowed to have one.

Ken

 

Kav is just a sneaky casino promoter and system seller, with many fake IDs. He copies content from my sites to look like he's an expert, then claims Im the inexperienced one. I was fooled once too and thought he had good intentions. I removed years worth of his spam links. Thats what started his problem with me.

 

So on top of admitting you are a convicted scammer, you freely admit you censor your competition so that you can spam your own scam systems all over your Forums without competition. Like if Coca-Cola ran the country and banned Pepsi. Then you have your minions like mr j and Turbogenius generating activity for you on your Forums so that you can attract new suckers everyday while continuing to censor your competition and spam your scam freely. mr j even openly admits to having to "gel properly with the proper people" to have a smooth stay, that's why he and Turbogenius won't dare acknowledge you are a convicted scammer (even though you freely admit it) because they don't want to lose favor with the emperor and then lose their seat at the table.

This is corruption of the highest order and quite literally the perfect scam with a unique North Korean flavor:

1. Invent a fake money-making system to scam unsuspecting customers.
   
   
2. Buy all the Forums discussing such money-making systems.
   
   
3. Eliminate the competition on said Forums so you can tout your scam without pesky competitors.
   
   
4. Eliminate criticism of your fake money-making scam on said Forums through direct censorship.
   
   
5. Ensure your minions are loyal to you and do not criticize you or your systems by threatening to ban them from your Forums if they don't toe the line.
   
   
6. Unsuspecting customers then flock to your Forums, see your scam systems spammed everywhere, see no negative reviews related to those scams (because you removed them), see no competition (because you removed them), and then have their hard-earned money scammed from under them with the only recourse being a lawsuit which they will win, but how many will have the money and fortitude to go through with one?

You are the most clever scammer I have ever witnessed. The Kim Jong-un of the roulette world. Your minions are even afraid to acknowledge the truth on a supposedly "uncensored" forum you don't even own (at least not yet) because they know what they say here will impact them on your Forums. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

All roulette system sellers are scammers, you just happen to be the granddaddy of them all.

 

I know I'm wasting my time even discussing this with system sellers but if you could beat roulette you would be doing it, not selling a system. Oh wait, let me guess, you are banned for casinos for winning too much.
But if you find suckers willing to pay you, more power to you. Seeing scammers call each other crooks is priceless! Keep it up guys, pure fools good.

 

Although I'm not big on sales..Kav = sell your stuff at your board(s). Steve = sell your stuff at your board(s).

What is the big issue?

Ken

 

What a strange thread.
I put that guy on ignore but I'll just assume he's still going at it. Laughs.
If he ever gets into posting something about roulette - someone let me know and I'll think about
taking the ignore option off. Thanks.

 

Drat, I was hoping it was Mark. Laughs.
I can (could) always go head to head with him and have a good time.

 

I highly doubt anyone could get banned from all casinos in the USA let alone other countries. It's not often casinos toss out people who win playing roulette. If people like KJ can get away with counting cards in the same town and casinos for years then certainly one could get away with playing roulette throughout the WORLD.

IF by some chance someone had a legitimate way to beat roulette and they got tossed out of all casinos in their comfortable travelling range, they could easily hire someone to play their system for a % of the profits.

 

Whomever is selling this device do you have a list of places where it's NOT illegal to use now?

What's the cost?

Would you be willing to supply one to a notable public gambling figure for independent testing? If it works as well as you claim and someone like that verifies it, that would certainly add credibility to your device. I would think you would actually be willing to pay for someone like that to verify it in fact works.

 

Normally yes, I'd agree with you. WHY I sell some of my technology is explained as FAQ #1:

Why would you sell a system that works?
I sell it because I use my roulette computers which are more accurate and quicker to use. So I don’t need the system, but that doesn’t mean I’ll let it sit un-used. Learn more about my roulette computers at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.].

So why sell my computers? Well the better ones sell for between US$15,000 and US$80,000, which makes it more worth my time. I don't sell the best version to just anyone though. But I'm actually more liberal in accepting players for the Hybrid because they have a "pay as you go" arrangement, instead of a full $80,000 outright purchase. I much prefer "pay as you go" options for serious players because I earn more.

Do I use the computers myself? Absolutely, but most of my time is spent managing my profit split teams. These are people who mostly paid me NOTHING up-front, and just pay part of their winnings (being the big scammer I am). It's explained at [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.] but one option to get the $80,000 computer for $0 (except a small cable) is below:

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OPTION 4: $0.00 up-front (access fee), plus “any payment you feel is justified” per 24/hr period of use

You pay nothing to get started except $500 per player (usually 3 players per team), plus US$200 for a custom cable from us. So your startup costs are about US$1,700. Then you pay literally whatever you want each time you use the Hybrid. It sounds like the best option but the catches are:

• We have a strict selection criteria. We don’t allow just anyone. You need to assess your casino’s wheels to ensure they’re suitable.

• We give preferential access to the “highest paying teams”: Basically the highest bidders get access to the servers, because we have limited servers and operators who oversee users. So if you only pay $100 when other teams pay us $10,000, we’ll of course only work with the higher paying team.

The Hybrid computer can be seen here:
[Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own commercial videos which violated our rules.]

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The hybrid roulette computer (the $80,000 computer) enables me to watch live streamed video from inside the casino, while I'm sitting in front of my TV at home. Literally it's what I do. I can see everything including how much players win, the accuracy of predictions etc.

Well that's exactly what I do.

We know exactly where it's legal but it's not something I'll disclose here. But one of the best known jurisdictions is the UK. That's why the Ritz team who won around US$2.4M in 3 days weren't charged, and kept their winnings. The computers are legal in about half of casinos. It's all explained on my sites.

Actually I already did that. See [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

And I've done many public demonstrations. See this:
[Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own commercial videos which violated our rules.]

Plus the free trial at: [Admin Edit (Nov 3, 2016): Removed URL to members' own site which violated our rules.]

There's plenty of very clear proof, for anyone who actually looks for it. As for people who believe people like Angelo and Mark Howe, too bad.

And finally Angelo (IHeartRoulette), you've run out of things to say. It happens when your arguments don't hold water. You can keep going in circles.

If anyone wants to discuss any of this, please do so at my forum or email me directly. Also fully read my websites - it's all there. Do not expect me to keep responding here.

 

btw, admin here is not approving links and posts of mine here, so I'll post responses at my forum. He approves Angelos links and posts though. It's a bit hard to make my point when the forum admin isnt upholding the slogan of the forum: independent, comprehensive, uncensored.

Actually from what I've seen far it's pretty damn censored and biased.

 

Only biased against spammers and scammers. Hopefully you keep your word and stop responding here. This forum will never grow if it is filled with scammers like yourself......or you could do what Axel proposed and allow a respected person to test your computer.

 

Admin, you have allowed links to other commercial sites. For example, Angelo's roulette30 site.

Furthermore, you have hundreds of posts from my forums posted on your forum. I understand you did this to give life to a new forum, but every one of those posts already link to the source.

Probably beating a dead horse here. But by allowing some links to commercial sites, but not others, it is bias.

 

Boz grow up. Did you even read what I wrote?

I've already sent me computer to independent testers. I've already done many public demos. Anyone can test them for free. Read what I wrote.