Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

for a year people have been here talking about the inconsistencies that are bad for business. And for years on that threat on wov. The numerically observed loss of member visits per day compared to 2 years ago. And even EB who you say you admire, has posted maybe 2 months ago, that the board is not longer interesting or lively, and alot of the interesting people are gone, and he posts alot less than he used to and spends less time on the site.

Sometimes when you find that less and less people show up to your barbecue....... you have to stop serving the fucking cowbrains. No matter how much YOU love cowbrains.

People are giving wov a message withtheir feet and with their voices. Their voices on the site....ie Ron and EB......and voices here.

Some changes have occured. It can be better....but like I said before.....I am happy how most have exhibited better more customer friendly behavior...except one woman. I wont say who she is.....to protect her feelings.

 

OK, when I post, I am aware that I'm in green. There are perhaps topics I won't enter or phrases I won't use because i don't want be inflammatory when that's the very thing I want others to avoid. However, there are times when I am fiercely passionate and fire off a real ripper, ones that are sure to ignite passion on both sides of the issue. Usually about guns, liberty, etc. I know, by that alone, I alienated an entire class, maybe even a majority. Anyone anti-gun or even neutral would likely be turned off by my fervor over such a hot button issue.

Is that wrong to do? I certainly did not do it with the AIM to troll or flame, but I did know my honest words WOULD inflame. Are we to prohibit ourselves from participating in threads we may highly enjoy?

I'll tell you this much. I do not involve myself with EB from a green standpoint. I've told everyone else the same. I am too biased towards him, feel I understand him too well, to ever levy any sort of punishment on him or in his defense, barring an obvious tirade of profanity. I also recused myself, privately among management, from dealing with many if not most Ahigh threads. Just as Babs did with the HB challenge, to which many of you criticized harshly, I recused myself from the entire deal.

Is it wrong of me to "shirk my duty", or is it the proper action to "maintain objectivity"? I know I can point out many reasons why I should remain on the sidelines, and examples galore of why I should have been there to do something. Because, after all, aren't EB and Ahigh two of the biggest lightning rods of the site? Is there not a fuck ton of drama hitched beneath both their belts? And where was "super mod Face"? On the bench, watching it all go down, not lifting a finger.

I dunno, man. Fucked either way, it seems. I don't know the right call for that one.

 

sometimes the right call is to just step back and fry up some cowbrains when u are alone

 

To hell with frying cowbrains.

Fire up some good bud and fry your own brain.

Ahh ...

 

Good morning all

https://imgur.com/a/gywRQ

 

So much for kissing beached whale's ample pock marked ass. Poor Wiz Jr. He finally got the attention that he was so desperately seeking over there and it didn't go well.

The whale has spoken. "WoN, you need to stop badgering people you have suspicions about. It's tiresome for the rest of us, off putting to members you target and at least borderline trolling." Word has it that there were too many complaints for her to ignore....so not sure who is really calling the shots on this one.

She ended with this: "Further crap postings of this type will result in a suspension for trolling". Yep. She said "crap postings".

Go beached whale! Go Kentry!!!

 

Word has it from who? Is this just more shit out of your ass

 

What was that thread? Is there a link? I want to see this.

 

Never mind I found it. It was great.

 

And this is where I get off YOUR ride.

In fact, I'd like to zero in on it because it doesn't fit the hole I've pigeoned you into. I feel you and I are similar in a lot of ways, and I think you've stated that, as well. A few core beliefs, a standard of behavior, things like that (which make a man, IMO) I feel we're pretty much in agreement on. But it's this last where I certainly take a hard right leaving us both walking alone.

I mean, I hate sushi. Tried it, didn't like it. I don't see the point in paying $10-$15 for something I taste on my fingers every week, or that I can just go do myself after 10min at the crick, or through $4 at the bait shop. It makes no sense to me, and I am further bothered by those who hold it in such high regard. But my reaction to this is... I don't go to Fuji Grill. I mean, I did, just 4 days ago for my little cousins bday party. Had chicken and beef and some wonderful fried rice, but I certainly didn't touch the sushi and the chicken was slightly ruined by the soy, which I also sort of detest. But it never occurred to me to confront the owner and say he's fucking it all up, or hop on Yelp! and tear the place down. I don't even come here to rage against bait for dinner. I just, you know, live and let live.

That's what I don't get about all of this. You don't like cowbrains. OK. You point to numbers and say "And no one else does, either!" OK. But... if you really think Wiz offers a shit product, and is committing financial homicide by running his ship into the ground... ain't it his right as a free man to do just that? Certainly there are some, and it might be a minority and that minority's numbers may even be declining, who like cowbrains just fine. So why do you feel the need to end the acceptance of cowbrains? Or, if you really just do not like the man and think he's a total fuck up, why not just sit back and watch him self destruct?

You know how you'll call me out, like you just did yesterday, when you see a contradiction or something that just doesn't seem to fit the story line? That's where I'm at with you. This part just doesn't make sense to me. It doesn't fit. Am I missing something obvious?

 

Still a great day

Just wanted to say hello Larry
https://imgur.com/a/ct6ia

 

Is that young boy a relative of yours. It's creepy that you keep posting it. Not a relative? Even more creepy.

 

It's someone's relative - maybe someone else on this thread will chime in and say who it is- I'm sure they are proud of him

 

wouldnt it have been great to have this conversation, all fleshed out on wov 2 years ago before I was banned after 4 short posts on the topic over a 3 day period. Although I have the ability /leeway here to do what wizardofnothing does....and tell you that you fuck your father....I dont...because I can put sentences together and come up with cogent comments...and have a back and forth. And although the term "manboy" has slipped through.....you know if this was on wov.....I know enough to refrain from that. I am happy to have a worthy debater because for me THIS is what boards are all about.The free and open exchange.....and the challenge to think things through and form a paragraph to respond.
That "challenge" at wov is dampened by overzealous mods where if you happen to be on the wrong side of the debate....you are scrutinized more deeply and held to a lower threshold of tolerance before punishment is doled out.(see RONs post). You say you like that "uncertainty".
And I dont. And I contend that your" like" is not a "like" of the masses. Just as someone else may like cowbrains..and fuck everyone else if it turns their stomach sitting in the center of the table.
Whether I go to a restaurant and every dish has a mandatory side helping of cowbrains....or I go to Wov and every moment there is a serving of uncertainty and uneasiness... its not for me. And that is what is addressed on this thread.(as I contend its not for alot of others)
And although I cant prove it....I can suppose that the reduction in numbers of member visits has something to do with the uneasy and uncertain
environment. Its not for everyone.
I am willing to listen to another theory why EB feels that the site isnt as interesting as it used to be, and that alot of interesting people have gone. and he doesnt post as much as he used to.

The numbers dont lie, and I dont think EB lied.

Like I said before...without the provable numbers of decreased attendance.....this thread has no basis in reality. I could contend that people dont like when they and others are treated unevenly...but if member attendance was increasing....I have nothing to hang my hat on.

So if you have thanksgiving dinner and in the center of the table is a big turkey on a plate....and a large cowbrain on a plate.....then dont be surprised if year after year people stop showing up because the large plate of cowbrains is distasteful to them. They have other choices where to go. But you the host, love the "variety" love the "uneasiness" it causes people,....well there is a price to be paid as far as attendance.

I personally dont like the uneasiness at wov, seeing people punished for no real reason in my eyes. I dont like the walking on eggshells(or seeing others do so) in case someone is in a "bad mood". And that uneasiness comes from the "diversity" in all the mod's administering punishment unevenly. Its frustrating for the person who gets punished for a mild infraction while seeing someone on a different side of an issue get a pass. And its frustrating for people who happen to look forward to communicating with the suspended party.Whether they agree with the person or not...they dont have that back and forth for days or weeks.

So people leave. I contend that when EB complains that the board isnt as interesting as it used to be, as people have left the board either via ban or on their own.....is a byproduct of people feeling that "uneasiness". Its not fun to go to a board and feel uneasy that you or a fellow poster you like might get punished. based on who is on duty that night or who comes on after you, just when you think the coast is clear.

Maybe the cowbrains analogy isnt the best. Dont get hung up on that.specifically. I dont want to get into restaurant menu argument.

 

Joined April1 posted twice that day Just a quick question. Does anybody know if FISK is a BIGOT ?

 

Hey Buzz, is that fat tub of shit known as BeachedWhale still trying to get you to fuck her?

All she does is eat and mod. No man will ever fuck her.

 

What is it the kid is proudly displaying?

Can't read it, the image is too blurry and out of focus.

 

Whatever happened to the Hot Blonde weight loss challenge? Nary a post since Aug 24th. Fat blonde hasn't posted since Aug 22nd at which time she graced the forum with the following: "So you can all go fuck yourselves". A mere 3 days off for that one.

I still think a wrestling match between Beached whale and Fat blonde would be a...um...better fit. It could be billed as the battle of the blubber...the fight of the fatties...The possibilities are endless.

"Let's get ready to rumble".

 

"It's not about me-me-me, Larry I cannot grow balls for someone, cannot impart critical thinking, cannot form intelligent debate. The position I hold means I have to do what it entails, even when it means doing something I dislike"--a fuller quote that i left out above

so, I perceive that duplicate screen names is a "high crime" on wov. Considered far more egregious than something like an insult. The penalty being "death"/nuking. So lets say for whatever reason, someone made a sock for a one time hit and run post.If you are on duty all is well.l..if BBB is on duty a nuking of both IPs could very well occur (she says she is a fanatic(not her word) about discovering and punishing duplicate IPs......unless its Buzz.)
a prime example of both uneven punishment based on the mod on duty, and special treatment for a former member who was suspended by a big boss. All,in all uneven, preferential ,..and honestly Face, an uneven philosophy of yours that I cant wrap my mind around. ON THE ONE HAND///its not about me me me..........and then...... Socking is not a mortal sin to me

ALERT---i boldend the partial quote by fisk myself*************

 

I can understand the confusion. You've touched on one of the hard parts about modding.

You can find times when I was very black and white, perhaps a few months after I went green. Like you said, it's about the rules. Clear, consistent rules. And even then people bitched, and I still engaged in dialog about it, but in the end, rules was rules.

But then just as now, there's conversation. Your observations about this, or RonC's obs about that, aren't a new phenomenon or even a new topic. It really is in a constant state of flux.

I don't know what other option is as I can't seem to think three steps ahead. I do the black and white, and murmurs turn into a mob, and people want less interference. We back off, things cool, and then the line begins to be leaned on. People complain about free for all insults. We tighten up. Interference! Back off. He said mean things! Tighten up.

Bit of a paradox. An unflinching, easy to recognize line keeps things even, sure. But it creates an air of oppression in times it's not really needed and a time of want that can't be accounted for. But if we try and flex with the will of the people (or at least our interpretation of it), if we "Treat as they", then a line that once was is no longer there.

Which do you pick? I know I consider this in every decision. Some are easy. Things are edging toward out of hand, someone clearly crosses the line, it's a "good bust". But other time someone toes the line, and during a period of tension, perhaps frustration that there's already overmoderation going on, what do you do? Me, I'll sack the rules and just have a talk. Reason it out man to man. It's against "do what I'm tasked with doing", against "Clear, well defined rules", against "even treatment". But I STILL think it's the right play. I feel like I've done it so often, and I can't remember anything ever resulting in less than neutral. It just works, it's just what's BETTER. For the forum, for me, for YOU.

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And on the puppets, as this might get long...

Your comparison of Me vs Babs is a bit unfair. I don't accuse you of this, I think it's just a product of you being unaware of every goings on.

I say "I don't mind socks" because I don't, MOSTLY. Take Buzz, for instance. He was banished for being a stubborn old man, by the owner who should not have been confronted in such a manner. What is Buzz besides that incident? He talked gaming, he talked his history, he talked family, he talked service, was a stubborn old man, but also a genuine good guy who sparked a number of conversations. Every one of his socks was pretty obvious, but not one railed on about shitting in one's hat. He's not disrupting, there's a certain thread of disdain for moderation, it just feels like leaving him alone is the smart play. I totally see why it's wrong. I won't even quote "wrong" as if it's "quote, unquote" wrong. It's just wrong. Still seems the right play.

And in addition to Axel's reasons for needing to identify and oust socks, I have had reasons of my own and they do seem important. WoV is very much like a club, and plenty of folks meet up, plenty make wagers amongst each other in RL., plenty get personal. There are things said and statements made that could lead some folks into danger, even if said danger consist of losing $20. It seems important, not only as a mod but just as a decent person, to identify these socks for the betterment of the folks around you.

Where I think it's especially unfair is the haranguing of the time Babs has spent on certain issues. I will absolutely admit that I spent weeks, literally day after day, searching for and compiling all sorts of information to oust one specific sock. There are incidents that get personal, ones that, possibly, could result in legal action. Incidents that put one in fear of damage, whether physical, financial, or emotional. Again, it seems prudent if not demanded that one with knowledge and ability act in another's interest.

In these cases, I don't think it's petty, sad, or degrading in any way. I don't regret a single second of the time I've spent on these types of issues. I'd feel shame if I DIDN'T. It's not as if we're spending 12hrs in a day EXPOSING FREDDY'S FRAUDULENT ACCOUNT!!1! There are things that reach that level of importance.

The rest? Pfft, who cares? I would bet that you, Larry, are there and currently posting. And while I'd say that particular bet would be little more than 50/50 or worse, I am over 95% certain I could at least supply enough evidence to convince a strong majority, even if it was false. But who cares? This person I assume you are does nothing but provide stimulating conversation. Post after post after post and there's simply nothing there you'd not want on a forum. In those cases, no. Don't care if it's you, Buzz, 1BB, freddy, johno, Garnabby...