Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

For a play you and others have already "burned". There are youtube videos about them for Christs sake. Its the least burnable game to write about to give an example and defend US Mickey. Yeah, that's right, even though you and I butt heads, I'm defending your position as well as my own right now, but showing, simply, how "knowledge" of playing a game is more important than getting to it, sometimes.

Hell, I didn't even name the thing, quit looking for a fight when I'm trying to help you out.

 

When an exploitable game first comes out I get to make a lot of money fast on that particular game because of the ploppy action. But after several months the action slows down on that game and it is just one of about a dozen and a half plays I look for in a slot parlour. Its the totality of all these plays that sets my bottom line.

Before the recent reset my average hourly rate was about $140. That's the sea time. I spent about as much time looking for the plays as sitting on them. So my real average for time invested was about $70 an hour.

BTW, that $134,400 hourly rate you are talking about was not your theoretical hourly rate.

 

Again, I really appreciate the very kind words. I am not a math geek (term of endearment) type, so I can't figure out and don't engage in all the advanced forms of AP that many here and elsewhere do. I am a blackjack guy (still love the game) and have managed to grind out a living playing probably the most elementary form of AP, card counting. Nothing I do is original. Everything I do is taken from other players that came before me or current players that have shared their methods and tricks. All I have done is taken these ideas, methods and "tricks" to formulate my own approach. And all I ever wanted to do was share my experiences, the good, the bad and the ugly. And believe me, there have been plenty of each.

I have taken so much heat over the last 15 months and had my reputation smeared so often, that I sometimes really wonder why I even bother. So, I appreciate hearing that my sharing my experiences has been beneficial to, and appreciated by, others. So again, thank you.

On publishing my memoirs....I should probably update because I mentioned this a few months back. I contracted earlier this year to publish a book of my experiences with an respected gambling book publisher here in Vegas. But I have recently pulled out of the deal. I actually paid a penalty to do so, so my book publishing career is already in the hole. Maybe someday if there is still interest, some day towards the end of my career. But I am planning on that being a ways off, so I don't want to write anything that could be harmful to my longevity and future success and earnings.

I agreed to this deal earlier this year for all the wrong reasons. Mostly I wanted to have my platform to tell my side of the feud, banning from BJTF and how Shackleford unnecessarily injected himself into the situation and banned me from WoV. I continue to be disappointed in both Norm and Shackleford for their roles in this "debacle". I have lost respect for both of them. Neither is the person I thought them to be, and looked up to earlier in my career. But while I continue to be disappointed in both, I have moved on.

 

Though I have recommended that no one deal with exoter in exchanges of information, I'm about to break my own policy. I can't help myself, I guess. I just love teaching the shit.

Exoter, I had to learn keno math years ago because there was no software to run things on. But that has changed. The Jackpot Rocket game is dead in the water to me right now. It's one of the games where the meters got reset. It's been painfully slow on them building back up. But if you find the game back east I can tell you what to do.

The good news, is that you don't really have to bone up on keno math. Just use the Wizard of Odds Keno Calculator. You seen how I broke the game down in the play I posted. For that play, all you have to do is take the payscale and punch it into the keno calculator with the regular pays first. Then run it again with the 5 out of 7 paying 462. Then average it together.

There are keno calculators that you can put on your phone.

 

BTW, Axel, guess who invented the Jackpot Rocket game. You are not going to believe this. It was Crystalmath. He works for a company that has machines in Montana. He once PM'd me telling me he would be glad to send me the frequencies and paybacks of the games on those machines. I told him the problem was every game except one was always negative expection. And the one game that was exploitable, Jackpot Rocket, was a keno game so I could easily analyze it myself. I explained to him how I was exploiting the game.

He PM'd me back telling me he was the designer of the game. He was surprised that his game was being exploited.

 

And, as always, I hate to let people down on their opinion of me. exoter said it best. I'm a frickin' drunk. So off to the bar we go. I'll be back to bitch you guys out at 2 AM. That is, if I don't get lucky with some road lizard chick.

 

Math is so not my forte, as well as gambling, but is that .50 per game times 463 games in 12 minutes? So that would be over 230. to make 184.?
thanks.

 

Are you sitting at the bar with Mick? Not exactly your normal concise stuff.

 

That shouldn't stop you.

Bed the bawd, pop your nut, give her a parting shot of Wild Turkey and throw her ass out.

Ah, the single life!

 

I knew mr v would comment on that because i am a professional psychic.....I became professioanl when I sent away for the kit on the back of the comic book.

 

Unfortunately no... I was riding shotgun and it wasn't a exactly a smooth ride.

 

FDEAD3709/Buzzard is finally in red at WOV. Not a word was mentioned...not on the suspension list. Another huge embarrassment to Zuga and the other owners....showing the world that they can't control their mods. After numerous members pointed it out, the mighty mods deliberately and defiantly ignored it. By ignore, they knowingly allowed Buzzard to make 94 posts and start 2 threads over a period of 45 days. And they knew it was him from day one.

Transparency? Honesty? Integrity? Credibility? None of the above as they make manboy and the owners look like complete fools. Hypocrites in every sense of the word. If buzzard were selling kitchens I wonder if they'd overlook that too.

 

Perhaps it's a quasi-political protest?

MLM: "Mod's lives matter?"

Time for Zuga / Chan to break out the rubber bullets, tear gas and stun grenades.

 

The expectation is to play 463 games at 50 cents per game. That would be $231.50 in action. I analyzed the game as a 79.4% advantage. On paper a $184 earn.

184/231.5 = 79.4%

 

When the exploitable games first come out, don't be obvious about the exploits and they last longer, and certainly don't post about them on the forums for all to see, that surely wouldn't help, would it? But go ahead, Mickey, you're so good at burning your own plays, you just want to burn all of them for the rest of us.

And Mickey, if you didn't get the point I was making about the $134,400/hr rate, you aren't going to understand the sarcasm attached to it.

I really appreciate the honesty KJ, especially about the "Debacle" since I had zero access on the road for a while. I tend to not respond to anything unless my backside is parked in my office chair, so sometimes I"ll go 3-9 months without posting if I haven't had that luxury, and I have to play catch up. I had read a few posts over at BJTF, and noticed your lack of posting, tried to dig into it a little without drawing attention and didn't find much. What I did find, was a snippet about an argument over at WoV where inappropriate and disrespectful things were said against you by someone who I had thought much higher of, and from what I gather, I don't have access to read any longer. Your experiences that you have shared with us are a tremendous insight into the real, every day trials and tribulations of what we do KJ, and you've got so much more experience on it than I do, that I really hope you find a conduit to get it all out there. You've influenced so many of us in so many different ways, KJ, that you probably won't ever truly know the real extent of it. As I've always said, you're far too humble sometimes, but it kind of fits who you are as a human being. If you don't have a memoir done by the time you retire, I'll do the interview myself and get something going for you, there's far too many great stories out there in the AP/Hustler world, for people not to have heard!

Mickey, nobody looks to your recommendations. If they like what they read from what I post, they will make their own conclusions for themselves, quit trying to have a "problem" with me.

Remember, this started with you calling me a Phony, and now I've proven myself to be anything but, drop your beef and let it go already. I didn't come here to shit on your parade, I came here to shit on TurboGenius' parade and let you know I'd be up your way within the next year, genuinely looking forward to the idea of running into you, not because I think you'll give me plays, but because I'll be up that way anyways, and I'd like to sit down with a "legend" and have a conversation. Even if I don't like you, even if I hate that you give away my plays and hurt my bottom line, I still respect you as a human being, for what you've been through, and for what you know. That will never change. But you are certainly a hard man to like, and perhaps I'm the same way to an extent.

Having said that, if you think these things can be found out here, I'll be more than happy looking for them, lord knows I probably hit more casinos in a month than anyone else here. I'm pretty sure I already know how to work it, but if I have questions I'll let you know. If you answer me back, awesome, I'll give you a cut out of it for the information. You can ask guys like Mark and Marvin out of Rhode Island/Wisconsin, Jimmy down in Vegas, and Mike out in STL, I'm more than willing to share mutually beneficial information, as well as split plays with others. The way I see it, there's no point in Hustlers fighting over scraps when they can eat at the table together. That's the whole basis for my team of guys and girls, I didn't exactly develop them from clay, these guys were already hustlers to begin with, I just gave them a better opportunity to make money, together.

Aren't you supposed to get buried by a Blizzard right about now?

In my state, to cut hair and to do a tattoo, you must go to school and become state certified and licensed.

I feel like you're really cherry picking what is and what is not a profession, simply because you CHOOSE not to believe someone is or is not a professional on the grounds of liking or distaste alone. Not all professionals are as "white collared" as you make them out to be, Larry.

Lets look at something real quick, specifically section 2 under adjective.

As we can see here, Axel and I are both right about being "Professional" in that the adjective (a word or phrase naming an attribute, added to or grammatically related to a noun to modify or describe it) describes what we do. Especially the part "(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.". That's exactly what Axel and I do.

Nothing, anywhere, has made a case for "Professional" only accounting for those who have to adhere to a structured set forth by some type of committee, board, or oversight.

What it sounds like, to me, though, is that you are indeed a "professional" Larry, and you detest the fact that we CAN use the world, justifiably, and you feel like you and all other white collar workers have some kind of monopoly on this.

Am I close? I Feel like I'm close here.

Judges ruling? Nailed it.

Your personal opinion doesn't take away from the fact that Axel and I might, in fact, be considered professionals at what we do, even claim that we are, in fact, professionals at what we do. Hell, even Mickey can make that claim because he is, in fact, a professional based on those guidelines laid forth by the definition. Which actually gets back to the "consummate" part of the argument with MrV, because even that, as defined by the following.

Specifically #2.

Looks like not only are Axel, Mickey, and I professionals by definition, but Axel and myself could even claim to be consummate professionals simply by our level of skill and knowledge.

I rest my case, gentlemen, I'm sure you'll have interesting arguments to make after I've posted this. Give me some leniency however, I leave tonight and don't expect to return until Monday/Tuesday.

 

I think the issue was that you didn't show them the payback% in raw dollars and cents.

There's actually more to this than meets the eye.

Lets say Mickey has to have $1,000.00 in action. His cost, now, is $1,000.00. Lets say he gets 70% payback on the machine, prior to his jackpot. That's $700.00 in return, total cost down to $300.00. Now lets say Mickey hits the jackpot for $800.00. He's now recovered the $300 he was down, and made $500 in profit. The play, however, was worth $500, despite the $1,000.00 in action. An advantage of 50%.

 

AP's talk about "the cost." What is the cost to play off the Jackpot Rocket play that I posted up here. I gave the figure of 81.9% payback on the way to getting the money in the meter. That means you are taking an 18.1% drop. The expectation is 463 games at 50 cents per game. That's $231.50 in action.

231.5 X 18.1% means the average cost on this play is $42.

However, that is the long term cost. In the short term, playing just an average of 463 games, you only have about a 1% chance of hitting the solid 7. And you only have about a 30% chance of hitting a 6 out of 7. Those two hits represent about 11% of the payback. So in the short term we are looking at a 29% drop. Which would put the cost at about $67.

 

Exoter, until yesterday you had no clue that there were exploitable video keno games out there. And by your own words you shy away from video poker. That means that video line games are your forte. I work video line games too. But they are just one facet of what I do. I cover all of it.

Re: The Weather. We've had the most incredible fall. Last night I was standing outside the bar talking with friends and didn't even have a coat on. But snow is predicted here soon.

Re: disguising your AP play. Exoter, we don't have WM here. We have JR. And it is a very recent arrival, just a few months ago. Would you care to guess the first thing I do when I sit down on a JR play?

 

the same [removed, pay to advertise] crap. Yes its a slap in theface of their boss. But all along we recognize they dont acknowledge that zuga is a boss. Even after zuga personally showed his power by banning buzz. Zuga made a statement back then that he was a boss....and that his decision was final.
He saw that buzz was allowed to mock him, and was forced to take matters in his own hands because beached whale and husband of the year wouldnt lift a finger.

However beached whale and husband of the year have made it clear that its "mikes place"..and under the manboy they had free reign to act in a manner where member visits kept decreasing....and even though under zuga now...they continue to act in a manner to lose members.
In any business.....continual inconsistencies in customer service leads to business decline. Fuck....they dont even recognize that the posters are customers....customers that can and do go elsewhere.

So they can keep fuckingzuga in the ass. Maybe he likes it.

 

I take it that keno pay table isn't static, I mean something triggers it or something special comes up or i'm missing something from just a picture, because if you only have to bet .50 the EV would be through the roof.

That all makes sense because if that paytable was a static progressive (is that an oxymoron?) I mean without some count down feature the percentage would be through the roof. especially considering a pay on 3 out of 7 on keno is generally unheard of. What's the paytable for 1 coin .25? I assume its in the mid to high 70% payback? 800 for the 7 spot would be tough for sure since it takes over 40k spins, normally you should get 4k or something like that. I realize that's not what you're going for.
Obviously because $800 is the max jackpot they added good meeters and bonus progressive features to make up for that. (I assume everything caps out at $800?)

With that $800 it seems they have to get creative thus creating an opportunity for others to exploit them.