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Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by LovePotion9, Sep 5, 2015.

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  1. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the EV is through the roof because it's a $42 cost to take off a $231 meter. But take a look at this screenshot. The countdown of the 4 out of 7 meter is on 3. The frequency of 4 out of 7 is 19.16. So the expectation is to play 57.48 games at 50 cents with an 18.1% drop. So the cost here is $5 to take off a $130 meter.. Super, Super, Super strong.

    Jackpot Rocket 4.jpg
     
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  2. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    There is always 5% worth of meters running in this game. The 7 out of 7 resets to $700 and runs at 2%. The lower meters run at 1% each. When the 7 out of 7 caps at $800 then the 6 out of 7 starts running at 3%. The lower meters continue to run at 1% each. But when the 6 out of 7 meter caps at $800 the 5 out of 7 meter starts running at 4% while the 4 out of 7 meters continues to run at 1%.

    In this game the 7 out of 7 countdown is always on 1. The 6 out of 7 countdown starts at 25, the 5 out of 7 countdown starts at 100, and the 4 out of 7 countdown starts at 250.

    You can bet up to $2 on this game....but the optimal bet is just 50 cents which qualifies you for the meter. What I like about the bet spread is the ploppies betting $2 drive the meters way up. Here is a screenshot where everything is at reset.

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  3. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    If an AP, never talked to another AP and shared info........where would one get all that info you just posted.

    I am not asking for peoples names. there isnt a published book I imagine.....

    I realize you can put money in, and watch the meter and figure somethings out via that method

    but knowing reset values for all levels of bonus isnt something you would know unless you hit all those levels and watched it reset.

    is it as simple as that?
     
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  4. nate

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    No wonder I don't understand you AP guys. I always thought paying out 231 bucks and making back 184 bucks was a loss of 47 bucks.
    I'm never going to get this. But thanks for the time.
     
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  5. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    The $231 figure is not the amount of money you are paying out. It is the amount you are wagering.
    463 games at 50 cents per game wagered.
    Every time you hit a 3 out of 7 you get payed 2 for 1
    Every time you hit 4 out of 7 you get payed 5 for 1
    etc. etc.

    Because of the payback of the payscale the theoretical is to lose $42 on $231 wagered. But then you collect a $231 meter.
     
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  6. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    All the info I put up on the game came from my own analyzation of the game. The game came out about 7 years ago. There
    was nothing written about it online by other AP's. I knew the game wasn't in the Nevada market. I was the first to find, analyze, and exploit the game.

    Clocking a meter is pretty easy. If you make a $1 wager and the meter goes up 1 penny then its a 1% meter, if it goes up 2 cents then it is a 2% meter, etc.

    I don't really get your question about reset values. But they are easy to figure out too.
     
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  7. nate

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    Thanks. But I see where I'm tripping up on and it's your jargon. I don't know it and I'll just keep reading until I figure it out before asking any more obvious stupid questions. Thanks.
     
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  8. Mickey Crimm

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    Axel is lightyears ahead of exoter. Exoter's niche is video lines games. He may very well be one of the best in that field but an overall machine pro has many more weapons in his arsenal. An overall machine pro will have things like this on his list of accomplishments:

    VIDEO POKER:
    Full Pay Deuces Wild (100.76%) with cashback and promotions.
    Kings of Better Joker Poker (100.64%) with cashback and promotions.
    9/6 Jacks Progressives with 1%, 1.5%, 2% meters and cashback, promotions
    Bonus Poker Quad Triple Meter Progressives running at 1%
    Draw Till U Win* (103.2%)
    Flush Attack (101.8%) both linked and unlinked
    House A' Rockin' both linked and unlinked
    The Maxx unlinked
    10/7 Double Bonus with cashback and promotions
    NSUD triple meter progressives
    Bonus Playoff

    Although I use the software when applicable I'm able to calculate video poker strategy with nothing but a calculator and scratch paper, which is the case for Draw Till U Win listed here. The game was never written about by anyone by the time I found it. I had to write the strategy myself. I wrote about the game on vpFREE after it went extinct and was praised by those who played the game for my analyzation of the game.

    I was the first to find and exploit video poker games like Jackpot Aces and Joker's Jackpot. I'm still the only machine pro in the world to exploit these games.

    VIDEO KENO:
    i've posted up plays here and on others forums about games like Jackpot Rockets and Chambers of Gold which I was the first in the world to find, analyze and exploit for profiitability. I have other video keno games like these in which I'm the first and only person in the world to find, analyze, and exploit. these include keno progressives, keno banking games, keno progressive/banking games.

    VIDEO BLACKJACK
    Williams Full Pay Video Blackjack (100.4%) with cashback and promotions
    IGT Full Pay Video Blackjack (100.03%) with cashback and promotions.

    You can ask axel how strong these blackjack plays were. He worked them himself.

    THREE REEL ACCUMULATOR SLOTS

    This is a list of accumulator slots that I've found, analyzed and exploited at one time or another:

    Double Diamond Mine
    Triple Diamond Mine
    Fishing for Cash
    Baseball
    Slot Bingo
    Money Factory
    Wild Cherry Pie
    Wild Cherry Bonus Pie
    Diamond Thief
    Jewel In the Crown
    Good Times
    Racing 7's
    Balloon Bars
    Mystery Bonus
    Times Pay
    Five Card Instand Bingo
    Kool Kat
    S&H Green Stamps
    Temperature's Rising
    Red Hot Jackpots
    Piggy Bankin'
    Shopping Spree
    X-Factor
    Safecracker
    Vacation U.S.A.
    Fort Knox
    Lady of Fortune
    Riddle of the Sphinx
    Buccaneer Gold

    VIDEO LINE GAMES
    Mystery Progressives
    Uncapped Progressives
    Banking Games
    Progressive Banking Games

    The mystery progessives (must hit's) first appeared in the US at the Mandalay Bay opening. I was there and was one of the first in the world to exploit them. There are progressive/banking video line games out there today that I'm the first one in the world to find, analyze and exploit.

    I'm an overall machine pro. I don't play follow the leader. I blaze my own trail.
     
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  9. nate

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    What strikes me sadly, this all seems like hollering out loud about your hole in one and there were no witnesses and you did it on company time in a state you weren't supposed to be in and can't tell anyone anyways.
     
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  10. Mickey Crimm

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    Not at all, Nate. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Exoter claimed to be a consummate machine pro. I'm pointing out that he has little on his resume to make that claim. If he wants to claim being the best video line game advantage player out there then that's fine with me. He may very well be. But he is nothing close to being an all around machine pro. He doesn't have video poker, video keno, video blackjack, and I suspect very little three reel accumulator slot knowledge and experience.

    If everyone recalls, he slammed me as an outrageous liar when I told of my $572 average daily earn (8 hour day) which I maintained for years. In hindsight I know why he thinks its an outrageous claim. He posted his overall hourly rate on WoV at $33. That would be about $260 a day. I will give him credit for being the best advantage video line game player in the midwest. That tells me that the upper limit of earn in the midwest for an advantage video line player is $260 a day. (one thing exoter hasn't written about is travel, meals and lodging expenses).

    So exoter knows what the upper limits of advantage video line game play is in his midwest market. He figured that there was no way, in such a small market as Montana, could someone be outperforming him for daily earn. The thing is, that would be very true if I were JUST playing video line games. I'm not. A big chunk of my earn has come from other areas of machine play than video line games. Games that he knows nothing about.

    Video line games are his one and only mindset. He has no clue about other areas of machine advantage play. So since that is his mindset I can understand why he would think my claims are outrageous. But his opinion is based in ignorance. When I put up the Jackpot Rocket play he said he had no idea there were exploitable keno games out there but would have to start looking for them. In other words, he walked through the casinos for nine years not knowing that there were exploitable video keno progressives out there. In that sense I've taught him something.
     
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  11. Petey Macdouche

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    HowMany, that is no way to talk about your wife...what kind of man are you?
     
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  12. appistappis

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    they all look so happy.
     
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  13. LarryS

    LarryS Compulsive Liar Compulsive Liar

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    maybe no man will ever "fuck her"

    But I bet a man like you would make love to her. Slowly undress her. Caress her. enjoy her. Tell her you love her. think of her daily. Become her soulmate.

    I am thinking thats what you want to do
    But maybe you already have

    good going.
     
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  14. MrV

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    That's their AP face.
     
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  15. Ozzy

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    Is that a WILDEBEEST in the middle there?
     
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  16. nate

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    I don't know, but how long has Bill Murray been hanging with them?
     
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  17. freddy

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    The cultists at WOV call it spam...I call it entertainment. The site is inundated daily by people from the UK selling cheap kitchens. Hundreds of posts...10 already today. What's entertaining about it? Watching the loyal subjects plead with the mods to "please make it stop". So funny.

    I hate to break it to you, cult members. The spam could be stopped in a heartbeat if the owners cared about the forum. They don't. They don't care about you, they don't care about "the house that Mike built", Mike's self proclaimed integrity or anything other than making money from the Odds site. That's why they've allowed WOV to become the laughingstock that it is today.

    They don't care that the bitter loser, Beached Whale, lies awake all night with a laptop in each of her folds. Desperately seeking a solution, desperately trying to please manboy as she lies naked with her Buzz. No, not that Buzz. Buzz is what she affectionately calls the "power tool" that she keeps handy as she fantasizes about RS's "morning wood".

    If you can't beat 'em join 'em. Josh wants manboy to do more interviews so send him to the UK to interview the kitchen guys. He of course will have to bring Angela, aka Princess Laughing One, to introduce him. Don't forget the red 'cleavage' dress. Hope it still fits. And he could kill two birds with one stone by checking out the hooker scene. Isn't that what Joshey wants?
     
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  18. Mickey Crimm

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    Freddy, have you read the blog post by pinhole8burns called "Bovada and the Wizard?" In this blog pinhole pointed out the lack of representation by Zuga and the Wizard in dealings with Bovada. He was absolutely right. With the Bovada software scandel where people were playing for progressive jackpots that couldn't be hit, Zuga and the Wizard did absolutely nothing to try and make those players whole. BBB banned pinhole for the blog.
     
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  19. freddy

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    I did read the blog and saw no insults against anyone. The guy had concerns and brought them to the Wizard. Isn't that what Shackleford has said all along...that he would look into things on behalf of those who feel they were wronged? Another ban by an incompetent mod who jumps the gun, over reacts and acts hysterically.

    This helps no one. In fact this was a perfect opportunity for Shackleford to address this, to step up and answer the concerns of this new member. To KEEP HIS WORD. Instead, in his typical, predictable fashion, the coward Shackleford has someone else do his dirty work and silence this member.

    More of the same. Rinse and repeat. Disgusting!
     
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  20. LarryS

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    He actually gave Bovada his "seal of approval". He has promised to go to bat for folks with complaints.
    Maybe he has and Bovada told him to fuck off.........he is a nobody to them in the grand scheme of things.
    But how can a reasonable person give any online casino a seal of approval if they have no access to inspection of the programs.
    Obviously he couldnt in reality since Bovada was fucking around with the programs to prevent wins.

    http://wizardofodds.com/games/sports-betting/parlay-calculator/

    look at all the sites that he "approves" andf has given the seal of approval.

    what does he do with those sites to ensure that they dont fuck the public???? My guess is either nothing or not enough to make a difference
     
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