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Slots The Tiles Breaker Games (Wild Mermaid)

Discussion in 'Slots Forum' started by Mickey Crimm, Dec 5, 2016.

  1. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    Wild Mermaid, Jungle Riches, there are a couple of other variants. The game comes in two different configurations. In the first, during free game mode the nudging wilds come out on the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th reels. In the second version the nudging wilds only come out on the 2nd and 4th reels. I'll be writing about the 2nd version. Here is a video of jungle riches. It starts out with just two tiles left to be broken and they are both in the 5th column.



    There are three components to the game.

    1. The main game. Its a fifty line game with a mixture of regular and wild symbols. The pays are from left to right. You can make 3 in a row, 4 in a row, 5 in a row. It's possible to make multi-line hits. The main game has a big drop to it. In a sample space of 5000 spins I got a return of only 2862 betting units, or a 57.24% return. That's a drop of 42.76%. That's a huge drop for a game that has somewhere around a 90% overall return.

    2. The Tiles. There are 4 rows and 5 columns in the game, so a total of 20 tiles to be broken. There are three ways to break the tiles.

    A. The random trigger. This feature will break tiles randomly as you are playing. I have a low sample space at this point on the random trigger. But it appears to activate about every 80 games so far.

    B. Scatter Pays. My sample space is still low on this feature to. But when I'm down to one tile to go in the 5th column I'm averaging breaking it with a scatter pay every 104 games.

    C. Line Pays. When you make 3 in a row it will break any unbroken tiles on that line. When you make 4 in a row it will break any unbroken tiles in that line. When you make 5 in a row it will break any unbroken tiles in that line.

    The very best play you could find would be 1 unbroken tile in one of the first three columns because it is so easy to make a 3 in a row. The 4 in a rows are a little harder to make. And the 5 in a rows are by far the hardest to make.
    So the probability of breaking the tiles is not equal. The tiles in the 5th row are the crux of the mattter.

    3. The third component of the game is free game mode. When you break all the tiles you go to free game mode. You start out with 5 free games. And you get an extra free game for every nudging wild you catch. The line pays representing 57% of the payback tells me that free game mode would represent 33% of the payback on a game that has an overall return of around 90%.

    Through 261 plays I've gotten a return of 7,741 betting units in free game mode. That's an average of 29.66 units. But that number needs a slight adjustment. When you complete free game mode then 20 icons will appear. You get to pick on of them. One of the twenty picks is a retrigger where you go back into free game mode. That brings the return of free game mode up to 31 units.

    There is one thing I know. In order for this game to make a profit it has to payback less units in free game mode than you lose in the main game. This means to me that if you were playing this game straight through you would average losing something like 34 bets to get to free game mode.

    31/34 = 91%

    Another one of the twenty picks is "remove column 5 tiles." I play all these off when I find them. The sample space is small, just 38 plays, but the average cost to get to free game mode is just 13 units. That's a healthy profit considering the average return in free game mode is 31 bets.

    So the crux of the game comes down to the 5th column. Just one unbroken tile in the 5th column will show a very healthy profit. My average cost is just 12 betting units to get to free game mode.

    When there are 2 unbroken tiles in the 5th column my average cost is 21 betting units to get to free game mode. I'm making a good profit here too. If you only take plays where there is just one unbroken tile in the fifth column then you are costing yourself profit.

    But this game is somewhat of a bankroll play. You have to be willing to take losing plays. This is what your stats can look like through a series of 20 plays in free game mode. This comes right out of my notebook. It's the number of bets I won in free game mode through 20 plays:

    0, 42, 9, 219, 50, 10, 8, 2, 1, 0, 1, 39, 83, 260, 2, 73, 55, 4, 14, 78

    It's nothing to go 7 or eight plays and not win more than 10 bets in free game mode. But through the long haul of it you will get the money.
     
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  2. Mickey Crimm

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    It looks like the video isn't working. I'll try again.

     
  3. Exoter175

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    Go figure you'd jump off of Wild Mermaid to include "all" trigger tile games like JR which you've never personally seen, as well as the two other variants that don't actually work the same way as you've described here.

    Also, for further relevance, unless you live in Montana, all games throughout the country will follow the rules of the first game, the one not written about here by Mickey. The game that has the 3rd, 4th, and 5th reel wild segments of 4, with the 2nd reel consistent of two singles 4 spaces apart.

    Taking a tile game with 2 in the back row is futile, and will lose over time on the first game, and very likely the second game of which mickey is referring to. Further, Mickey hasn't even touched the part where the 6 important tiles, the top and bottom of the 4th and 5th columns, as well as the middle two on the 5th column, all count towards the difficulty of reaching the bonus.

    Speaking specifically from the "first" game's data, of which I have years of experience on and Mickey does not, the "random" break is not random, and can, in fact, be triggered intentionally if you know how. The ratio in which the "random" courtesy break pops up, is also inaccurate for the first game, as is the "Scatter" pay.

    Basically, Mickey's whole write up, which is actually a rehash of his first musings about Wild Mermaid, was made to sound "smart" in an attempt to "Prove" his wits about the game.

    Unfortunately Mickey has failed in that department, both due to lack of experience, as well as overall knowledge of the game throughout the country.

    This whole write up is meaningless if you're outside the state of Montana.
     
  4. Mickey Crimm

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    I agree that the stats on the game I've collected here would not apply to the other version of the game....and may not apply to other jurisdictions. But I showed how to stat the game. Any person playing this game should collect their own stats. The stats are the guide on this play. You, exoter, on the other hand, have shown no way to track the game. You have not put up any empirical data to support your assertions. As a matter of fact, you have just learned how to stat a video line game from me here. And now you are casting aspersions to save face.

    You are a low level AP working simple video line games. Someone else taught you the play. No one can learn anything from the gibberish you just wrote here.
     
  5. Mickey Crimm

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    The first part of your sentence here might be true in your jurisdiction. The second part of your sentence is patently false. I'm averaging a cost of 21 bets to spin it off when there are just two unbroken tiles in the 5th column. And my return in the free games is 31 bets. Thats a healthy profit.

    On every play I record the number of spins I have to make to get to the free games. I record the cost to get to the free games. I record how many bets I won in the free games. And I use running totals. I'm at 261 plays so far. The results are pretty consistent when broken down into 20 play segments. Not much fluctuation at all. However, my sample size is currently 261 plays. I will continue to stat the game to 500 plays.

    Did you record and use stats to determine if two unbroken tiles in the 5th column is a loser in your jurisdiction? What's the cost in your jurisdiction? What is the average return in free game mode in your jurisdiction?
     
  6. Exoter175

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    If I'm a low level AP and I know more about this game than you, what does that say for you?

    Also, if my simple breakdown of your inferior abilities to digest this game accurately didn't leave people with a knowledgeable takeaway from my posting, its because they might be mentally handicapped. I was very clear about this game.

    Are you kidding me Mickey? What's your total number of plays on this thing since you JUST NOW found it? 5? 10? Maybe 20? I'm not talking about button presses, or how many times you've sat down to gamble it like your 261 suggests, but I'm talking ACTUAL plays, plays where someone left you a single tile or less in the 5th column, and you went in to make money.

    261 is a fucking joke, you aren't getting that kind of action Mickey, not in Montana, you're a fucking phony.

    I've got almost 3 fucking years on you Mickey, and while you're running around pretending like you know the payback, I know the hard numbers on the machines I play because I've been around long enough to find out.

    Matter of fact, on this specific game in the middle of nowhere, I know the exact dollars wagered, dollars won, # of handpays, and number of cancelled credits on it.
     
  7. Mickey Crimm

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    Its just what I thought. You don't have any empirical evidence to put up. But you call yourself the best. Pathetic.
     

  8. Exoter175

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    What I have on this game would blow your mind, Mickey.

    You've got peanuts, and your analysis is chump change. More importantly, the game you're analyzing, isn't the relevant game to anyone who would read this.

    You could have just written my analysis off as me being "tight" as you have countless times before, but you haven't. Largely, its because you still think you've found something new and great, and you haven't.

    Your game is different Mickey, but it plays a very specific way, a way exactly similar to a specific game from the same manufacturer available in all other states, it just doesn't go by the Wild Mermaid theme, and error you made earlier trying to include all variants, though some play incredibly different from this one.

    Having said that, though, I have way better information on mine than you could guess at with yours, and I'm sure as shit not posting it here to validate your belief in the fact that I know it, when my analysis alone shows it and you still refute it.

    Why give you the goose that laid the golden egg when I've already given you a bakers dozen? Read between the lines on what I wrote, Mickey, there's a great bit of knowledge there, if you'd simply put down the bottle and attempt to read the hidden references I'm trying to throw your way.

    Richie picked them up in the AP thread, why haven't you?
     
  9. Mickey Crimm

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    How would I know anything about games I've never seen before. But guess what. All I have to do is drive to the midwest to see what you are playing. And I won't need any help figuring those games out. There is not a machine game in a legal jurisdiction anywhere in the world I can't analyze. That's my profession.

    So go ahead and keep bragging about plays you know that I don't. That's a two-way street. I know many plays you have never seen before.

    Oh, and I'm not afraid of cold weather like you are. So you won't be back to Minnesota until march, eh?
     
  10. Mickey Crimm

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    No, you weren't clear at all about the game. If you wanted to be clear about the game you would have stated your average cost to spin a play off and your average return in free game mode. You obviously don't have those stats. But I'm sure you can make it up based on what I posted about the game, phonyexoter175.
     
  11. Exoter175

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    That's my whole damned point, you don't know anything about the games you've never seen before, and until you step outside of your box, you know nothing, and everything is "ancient" to us, that is new to you lol.

    I'm not afraid of Minnesota, Mickey, its just not a great destination to be at in the wintertime, nor is it a logical place to risk a "snow-in".

    Some things you'll never understand, Mickey. All of your life you've been a lowlife tramp who has only had to depend on himself, stealing money from machines to make is way across the desert, where he learned to hustle. Whereas I've managed people all of my life. My tale is much different than yours, Mickey. Lets not assume to be one in the same, shall we? You couldn't comprehend the decisions I make because you only think of yourself.

    I was very clear when I said that there's a correlation between 6 tiles, the 5th column, the upper and lower 4th column; As well as the fact that a simple play on it would be 1 tile in the 5th column only, as there is no +EV for a double 5th column alignment.

    I don't NEED to break it down to an exact science on this forum, Mickey. Lord knows you haven't, and you can't. You don't even know the total possible reel combinations for this game, but you're talking about payback % over a phony 261 plays like you actually know lol. It wouldn't do anybody a bit of service to break down the specifics and post them here on this forum. The more you try to break it down, the more likely you'll shut down a currently active game. You could, like me, just tell people to play with 1 tile in the 5th column, and leave it like that. No concrete evidence to support it, though you can't disagree with it because you know it to be true, but my way, the game developers and casino snoops never find out the exact details about it, so it can be tweaked.

    What a joke you are, Mickey.
     
  12. Mickey Crimm

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    And that's my whole damn point, you don't know anything about the games I play that you have never seen before....and everything is ancient to me that will be new to you, that is, if you know what your are looking at when you get to Montana.

    Now, I know to you that I'm just some dumass hillbilly in Montana that don't know jackall. That's fine. I don't care what you think of me. Would I know what to look for back in the midwest? I think I would want to take a look at these games for starters.

    Cash Eruption
    Falling Stars
    Egyptian Dreams
    Blood Life
    Mystic Manta
    Rescue Spins
    Alice in Wonderland
    Sinbad
    Top Star
    Spy Versus Spy
    Suite Success

    I can't say that all these games are exploitable or even current. I suspect that most are exploitable. This is just a short list I've developed so far if I ever want to take a trip to the midwest and check it out. I will keep researching and adding to the list.
     
  13. Mickey Crimm

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    P.S. Trust me, I will analyze every game in the midwest that I have never seen before.
     
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    Holy shit, a list of old games, and I fucking died when you listed Top Star lol.

    And this makes you different from anyone, how?
     

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    i played a variant of this called "Wild Nymph" - that one gives an option of a credit reward vs free games - better to take the credit reward or the free games?

    also I've noticed the same title Jungle Riches appearing under both a SPIELO brand and an IGT brand did IGT buy out Spielo at some point?
     
  16. Mickey Crimm

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    Hi, RP. I think IGT owns Spielo now. I've never seen or played Wild Nymph. My first question would be how many credits do you get if you take the credit reward instead of the free games?
     
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    We have online casino games platform with multiple game like Orion star, Juwa, Moolah, Firekirin, Panda Master and Milkyway aslo good cash out rules and many bonuses. If any one try than let me know
     

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