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I don't doubt you. However, that doesn't represent most legitimate advantage players. Anyone claiming to be the top or smartest AP definitely isn't. NVM ADVANTAGE PLAY your dealing with gambling, It attracks all kinds of people from the brokest drags of humanity to the richest most honest people.

Even a legitimate AP would have second thoughts about meeting up with a friendly person who's pro AP. It certainly wouldn't be beneficial for someone to meet someone who seems to mostly reject AP.

I avoid meeting up with many people for various reasons, some have even been really nice.

There's been some "Advantage Players" who have a significant online presence, however, I couldn't ever find anyone that has actually meet them, yet they toss out names as associates(didnt KJ say someone kinda indicateed KJ would vouch for him or something, yet KJ said not really?) and leading comments and claim they know many AP etc etc.
People assume stuff, but they never actually talk to multiple people who can verify anything.

I have meet up with people who have posted up jackpot/ chip pictures ect, claiming they know this or that, yet they suddenly have no money.

 

Ah, it is one thing to avoid meeting people, i.e. to ignore them; it is quite another thing entirely to prearrange to meet someone, then blow them off and not meet them, without prior notice.

Damned rude.

 

that also goes for a brain damaged antisemite know nothing, gambling wanna-be...

 

Hun? You lost me with this one. Remember that line from the movie "Philadelphia" where in the court room, Denzel Washington says "explain it to me like I am a 6 year old". Well....do that.

You are right, this scenario is damn rude. As is the one Blackhole referenced. I am sorry blackhole had a bad meetup experience, but it is kinda of lame that he would judge others based on that experience.

I usually almost always immediately shoot down the meeting, except in very rare circumstances that I feel meeting another AP is in my best interest. Although I try to be polite, often the other AP or party is offended and I am sorry about that. I mean lets look at the facts here. AP's whether blackjack players like myself or machine players like Mickey/Axelwolf carry cash on them, more than the average citizen. Why on earth would we arrange a meting with someone we don't know in a strange place after basically telling them we carry large sums of cash? I have been through one armed robbery as an AP (several more as a retail employee), so I don't go setting up meetings with people from the internet that I don't know.

Second, I differ from Mickey and Axel in that as a blackjack card counter AP, my whole existence is based on being allowed to play. There is an army of folks, pit personnel, surveillance, data base groups like OSN, who's primary objective is to stop or limit my play. So again, I am going to arrange a meeting with someone I don't know from the internet? How do I know Blackhole (or whoever) doesn't work for OSN? I mean what is the upside for me? That I can prove to someone I am who I say I am? I don't think so. I don't have the need to prove to anyone. As I said before, "it doesn't take much to figure out who knows what they are talking about and who is just talking". If there is someone that can't figure that out and needs (and thinks they are entitled to) proof....well I don't know what to tell them. They are barking up the wrong tree with this guy.

From being an AP, one of the things that I have learned to do that carries over into most aspects of life, is weigh the pros and cons of every decision. The benefit or reward vs the risk of everything....from certain plays at the BJ table to meeting up with a stranger from the internet. This one (meeting a stranger) just isn't even close.

One final thing in regards to Blackhole's incident of being stood up. As I said, I agree with MrV....Damn rude. However, if I had agreed to meet someone, if for some reason I thought it beneficial to do so, and I show up at the designated spot to find he has brought backup and there are now 3 or 4 people lurking around that I don't know.....Danger! Danger Will Robinson! Hell yeah...I am not showing either.

 

The only reason I hang around here is for the entertainment of observing idiots like you. AP is not that hard to learn. It is really funny to me how dense assholes like you just can't get a grasp. Thats some funny shit. BH, tell Mendelsen my offer still stands.

And while I'm at it. Axel and Kewlj have an open invitation to visit with me if they ever take a Montana vacation. Out of professional courtesy I will be glad to show them the games I work. I know Axel, being a machine pro himself, would have a great appreciation for these games I work that are unique to my location and not in other parts of the country. I can show him video poker, video keno and video lines games I exploit.

Kewlj would make a very good machine pro although it would take away from his blackjack AP.

Given a little time Axel would figure everything out in Montana anyway. But I can save him a lot of time. In any case, I can show both him and Kewlj how to easily show a profit on their Montana vacation.

Exoter is shit out of luck. I will cost him $10,000 for me to show him what I know.

 

First of all, what do you mean I judged others based on a bad meet up experience? I didn't mention anything about that meeting in the past.

We were meeting inside the casino at a very high traffic area. Trust me when I tell you I was the nervous one after reading what AP’s expect people to believe on the internet.

The class of people I was with and the amount of money stuffed in our pockets would have with no doubt had your funds look like a welfare check. Kewlj, I read your posts about your play. You’re not carrying that much money around with you, and trust me when I say you’re in the minor leagues. Stop acting like a big shot.

In addition, the AP pm’ed me and wanted to meet me, which means he initiated the meeting, not me.

Also, if you’re dumb enough to meet someone anonymously from the internet where money is involved, and you don’t have friends with you or agree to meet in a parking garage, you fucking deserve to be robbed. If I’m meeting anyone for the first time, it’s going to be where bells are ringing, people everywhere, security guards and cameras everywhere, along with friend’s I trust being close by.

Stop trying to make me sound like an idiot regardless what I say. You're starting to look bad.

 

Blackhole

Do you wonder why anyone who claims to be a successful AP would offer to meet with a stranger just to get satisfaction from showing them what they do. Or telling them face to face what they do. Anyone can have a lucky day or a bad day.. so hanging with them for a few hours and drawing conclusions one way or the other would be useless. You would reallt need to hang with them for weeks or even months to get a fair cross section of what type of winning and losing they do.

I dont think its as easy as turning on a light switch for an AP to extract money from a casino. So the day you show up ..if they lose....it can be explained as just normal variance. If they win they can claim...look at this and now extrapolate this to 365 days a year and you can see how successful I am which would be an insane extrapolation to believe.

So either way...showing up for a few hours and witnessing good or bad....cannot be extrapolted beyond the results of that one day.

Its an exercise in futility to meet up and observe

 

Black hole, I'm highly suspicious that the dude you were supposed to meet was any kind of real AP. Calling yourself a pro and actually being one is two different stories. Ask Larry about it. And in that light I'm starting to understand Larry better.

Yes, I think Larry is right about so many of those who might think they are professionals at what I do.

Time is the real test. Try to make it in my occupation and I guarantee that 99% of you don't have what it takes. I could call all the losers a variety of derogatory names. But I'm at the bar downing shots of Tito's Vodka in your loser ass name.

Black hole, go piss whine and bitch.

 

Does this mean I'm the new number one enemy, and should expect a vulgar rant when you finally pull that bottle of Vodka out of your ass?

 

I am not trying to make you sound like an idiot or look bad. You are doing that yourself.

Ahhh....here we go. Same thing on all these site. I have more money stuffed in my pockets than you. I make more than you. My house is bigger than yours. My dick is bigger than yours. You are in the minor leagues. Everything is a big pissing match. I don't give a fuck about any of that shit. I am not competing with you or anyone else. I only care that I am meeting my goals and expectations and I am. I am very happy and satisfied with where I am in life. I don't know where you get off with these "acting like a big shot" comments. That is not me and just proves you really don't know me at all. I am a low/mid level blackjack card counter grinder. That is all I ever claimed to be. We are considered the low end of the AP totem pole.

But whatever. I am done talking with you now and am blocking you. Twice now in the past couple days you have attempted to put me down referencing welfare checks and food stamps. You apparently have the need to try to put others down as a way of making yourself feel better or bigger. I just am not going to waste my time with people who's only agenda is to be argumentative and combative. That is not my purpose.

 

I believe you were the first person talking about large sums of cash. I was just trying to point out that what you consider large sums of cash is likely different from opinions from everyone else on this forum.

 

LOL @ black hole saying KJ acts like a big shot.

Next he's gonna tell Axel to quit being a grammar Nazi. Or maybe he'll tell Mickey to quit being so politically correct and to actually speak his mind.


Although, I did get a few laughs reading BH & Larrys's posts about hiring chimpanzees and whatnot, particularly the part of sumo wrestlers snapping chairs.

 

This is true however if someone actually does it and shows you how and why there's an advantage they can factor out variance as the reason.

I thought someone on WOV was saying they knew you and you would verify them or something like that. I can't remember what exactly went down.

 

What was the point of the meet? Clearly nothing pro or con regarding the existence or efficacy of advantage play was going to be decided in an hour, a day, a weekend, a month. So the conclusion you drew was what? That because someone did not want to meet you, advantage play doesn't exist? Or is that advantage players have bad manners? Or was it something else?

What exactly was the significance of this "fact?' I don't get your point or your logic here.

 

Yes, I had the same "aha" moment. Some people with big bankrolls who lose (as 99.99% of people do) just can't get their heads or egos around the idea that people with smaller bankrolls have better skills and better judgement when it comes to gambling, and actually have the capability to win. It defies their self perception to acknowledge that they lose while others win for years or decades.

You hit the nail on the head KJ.

 

What I suggest is that the admin start a category called "advantage play discussion" and another called "advantage play myths" and let the alleged advantage players discuss their topics without being constantly criticized for being advantage players. The "advantage play myths" section could be for non-advantage players or failed advantage players to discuss why it doesn't exist.

Basically, one problem here is that LarryS, with 3000 posts, is the dominant poster on this forum and and has a hard time believing that the people claiming to win here do win. It is probably not a percentage situation to have a gambling forum with threads regarding how to win at gambling when the dominant poster then criticizes the people who are explaining that they win and how they win. I don't understand why posters would have issues with the advantage players posting and feel the need to repetitively say, "I don't believe you" while not doing the same for roulette systems posts or forex posts.

 

Wow, you’re a bigger fucking idiot then I thought.

The reason for meeting up was his decision, and what was discussed between us via pm prior to setting a meeting time and place was and is none of your fucking business.

Who said anything about trying to come to any type of a conclusion? When did I ever say because he didn’t show up advantage play doesn’t exist? I guess you read Kewlj’s post that pulled that comment out of his ass, since I never said that even once.

The only fact I ever stated was I had a meeting with a known AP and he didn’t show up. Actually, I totally excepted his explanation for not showing up knowing prior to our meeting he had a commitment the afternoon of the same day. As a matter of fact, he was perfectly normal and cordial during all our conversations. I was actually looking forward to our meeting and more in depth conversation.

Weren’t you the asshole that recently asked me to show up in Las Vegas to show me your sports betting success from online casino records?

Every word of your post is complete fiction, and proof of you just looking to attack with absolutely no logic or reason. This alone is enough proof for me to conclude that you are a complete hands down fucking idiot.

 

No one is saying AP skills don’t exist. It appears this accusation you accuse doubters for is all you morons have to fall back on.

Let me make it clear,

IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST! IT DOES EXIST!

Maybe some here are making millions, good for you. But, because you come on a forum and type about your success doing it, doesn’t mean anyone believes that simply because you could type that you do, that you actually do.

Maybe you missed my posts of my own AP experiences. Scroll back a few pages if you’re interested. In addition, don’t forget Larry’s posted tips. (they may come handy)

 

BH, you and Larry are extraordinarily stupid pissants without a clue. Just dumber than a rock.