Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

No, I did: I think it's a valid question, as you seem to be considered quite toxic over there.

Speaking of toxic, the Wiz just posted a math puzzle involving ... wait for it ...

Outhouses.

No shit.

 

Mission146 said: ↑
You used to be a Member there.


Ah, now to the heart of the matter.


Bingo! The little snowflakes egos are bruised.

 

well now....yes after a year on this one thread I am "toxic"....when the gloves came off and uncensored words prevail


But 3 years ago......no so much. I was just outspoken, and often on the wrong side of politics , on the wrong side of the tin cup waving, on the wrong side of others being mistreated in my opinion......thats not toxic...if there is a back and forth with points and counterpoints...like Mission does here. Then it would be just a spirited debate

But over there there is no such type lengthy explanation of critique....there is instead hair trigger punishment...there is a "how dare you" culture.....

so instead of having the brains and skills to respond to someone on the wrong side of the issue.........the how dare you way of viewing things prevailed ...along with suspensions and nukes.......hence....due to this sense of entitlement that a mod cannot be poked or prodded with hard questions and comments........THIS thread lives a long life....
Because of the culture that the mods can have a "how dare you" attitude toward the customers......the number of member visits per day has gone down 30 percent or more

Dont you think it would be nice if the mods engaged in exchanges and gave detailed explanations regarding critiques....like Mission does here...on a site that he has no real affiliation for. Heck he doesnt even do that on WOV....because its not the culture to do so over there.
Its easier to call someone a troll and toss them off........and its more fun for certain mods to do so.

However over here....see how detailed well thought out back and forths can occur with me and mission....and mission and others......when there is no fucking chance anyone can be suspended. So people are forced to talk. There is no fall back on punishment if you start to lose an argument.
Mission cannot rely on BBB to insert herself or MS to insert himself and punish. He either had a choice to leave or man up and have an exchange.
WHY.....because we dont have a "how dare you" culture here. Everyone has to man up and take the hits of being proven wrong, or fight to be proven right.
If you are on the wrong side of an issue over there at wov....it takes about 3 posts on the wrong side of an issue to get you the troll moniker.
Over here...its not till the third post that things start getting good in a lively debate.

 

Honestly. what would happen on wov if there were pages of a back and forth questioning a behavior or action of a mod....and then after the lively debate( a debate similar to the one between me and Mission or me and Face on this site)...and in the end the mod gives in and seems to lose the debate. What would happen..would there be riots? If the mod acquitted himself well and engaged in a fair debate no one would lose respect.
And life would go on.
This isnt a fucking prison where you have to present the culture that authority rules to prevent riots. On a fucking message board, its ok for a mod to lose a debate and even apologize.
Its ok to thank a poster for a comment and say you will take it into consideration. Its ok to tell posters that they are valued and you would like their opinion.
A debate like I have with mission or face could never take place in the culture of wov...because the authority figure in charge over there seems to be repulsed from such behavior.
But if god forbid manboy or BBB had a debate and lost the debate.....the site would still be there tomorrow...and they might even have gained more respect for participating in the battle.

 

count the footprints leading to a porto potty........amazing

 

More "Piercings" from an unfair and unbalanced WOV mod.

1/27/14: "You are the weakest link, goodbye". 12/10/15: Esposito is the weakest link. goodbye". 11/22/15 "You are the weakest link, goodbye". 4/14/14 "You are the weakest link. goodbye". 5/15/16 "You are the weakest link. goodbye". 11/26/14: "You are the weakest link, goodbye". 12/11/15: "Kentry is the weakest link, goodby."

We all know who wrote these. A guy so successful in his own life that he has no problem disparaging others. No problem kicking people when they're down...when they can't respond. Brave guy....whining if he should get a restraining order against someone on a forum because that someone refuses to drink the Kool Aid. I'll repeat...grow up.

By the way, Kentry says hi.

 

The guy's obsessed. He started a similar thread on his Diversity Tomorrow site - "Which Stall Do You Use?" That was only last October. I wonder how much "research" he puts into that. Does it cut into his prostitute research or does he combine the two? I don't think I want to know.

The boring eating contests at the WOV meetups have run their course. People fly in from all over the countries, from other countries, and all they get is a lousy hour. Swallow the nuggets...puke up the nuggets...go home. They deserve more.

In keeping with the latest WOV proclivity, I have a suggestion for a new competition...one that all can get involved in. Betcha you can't guess what it is.

 

The footprints near the potty could be misleading. What if onenickelmiracle found another poop "the size of a coke can"? Naturally he'd want to share his good fortune with the others. All those people looking at that "treasure" would certainly leave a lot of footprints. Did manboy not think this through?

 

It's so obvious I wonder why no one hasn't thought of it. That's right folks. For the feces aficionados, the connoisseurs of crap, the excrement enthusiasts...I give you the WOV Shitting Contest. This will need a more private venue so I will suggest "Mike's house".

The possibilities are endless. There can be individual as well as team competition. Cheer on your favorite team whether it be the Denver Dumpers, the Pennsylvania Poopers or the Bronx Bowel Movers.

Make it an all week event from the preliminary poop to the fecal finale.

This event will require the services of the finest "models" Vegas has to offer. Get into those tunnels early, get em cleaned up and get em to manboy's house.

 

To your first three paragraphs as to, 'What people at WoV do,' nobody at WoV even remotely suggested I should be suspended for that link, to the best of my knowledge. Had they done it privately to another Admin, I should assume that I would have been informed, but I suppose there is the possibility that I may not have.

I don't care whether or not anyone feels any shame as a result of being on the Suspension List. Speaking only for myself, I put people on there simply because it is a quick place to go to see when people are scheduled to be Unsuspended. Other than that, nuked Members with any meaningful number of posts because it seems that they should be on there. I do (generally) link to the post that got an individual Suspended, but not always. My purpose for that is not to shame, but so that if anyone wants to take it to Discussion About..., then they can do that. Suspensions have, in fact, been overturned before, so the discussion occasionally benefits both sides.

Once again, I cannot speak for other Admins. I believe that I have literally never banned someone for hijacking in and of itself, I'm almost 100% sure they would have had to also have been doing something else. I also consider hijacking a very deliberate action rather than just the course of a conversation drifting somewhere else, onto another topic. I sometimes split threads if I think a conversation has seriously drifted, but generally speaking, I usually like to just let discussions run their course.

You can deem as suspect whatever you like, but I can say that I am pretty much at the point where I do not have to ask permission to do anything I want with respect to Administration. I might get reprimanded later (not even in a serious way) but I think that has happened three times, ever. I think, if there is a clear violation of the rules AND it is a serious one, I have occasionally put the matter of the length of a ban up for PM discussion among the other Admins. The point is that I Admin according to my own standards and my own interpretation of the Rules.

To your second-to-last paragraph, anybody is free to question whatever they like with or without justification for doing so.

 

Have you read your own posts? I'm going to say this with as much respect as such a statement could possibly be delivered with but, based on many of the posts you have made here (which is all I have to work with) you don't have the moral agency, or agency of any other kind, to suggest that someone needs to grow up. I have two kids, both under the age of ten, you don't have the agency to tell them to grow up.

Who the hell viciously attacks a fifty-something year old woman on her personal appearance repeatedly? It has already been explained to you that whatever merit your other points may have, if any at all, is diminished by your penchant for immaturely attacking someone based on personal appearance. My kids, both under ten, know better than to ever do something like that.

I'm not going to suggest you grow up, though. If you haven't done it by now, you won't. You could even be a perfectly reasonable and civil person IRL, good chance you are, how would I know? However, can you really separate your persona (assuming that is what this is) from yourself as a person? Maybe a person can, but only to a small extent. Certainly not enough that your sort of behavior would be up to the personal standards I hold for myself, even online.

Mission146 is aware of where it is. Mission146 appreciates your Admin here. Mission146 E-Mailed his request to have Mission146's name removed from that page yesterday. Mission146 would inform you that the Wiz would not be the one to do that, so that's not where my request went. Mission146 is going to stop referring to himself in the third person, now.

I was being facetious, let me clear a few things up really quick:

The first thing that I want to clear up is that I don't believe that I would have any need for a restraining order because that would require you to actually have the sack to engage someone on a face-to-face basis. I'm not saying that you don't have the sack, but I am saying that there have been several people like you on the Internet, and if there is one thing they like to avoid, it's engaging people IRL. You could look at some of the stories of major Internet trolls, as opposed to message board amateurs such as yourself, and you will see that they go running and hiding from a single camera or reporter when confronted...for the most part.

Based on your posts, I find it hard to believe that you are well-adjusted, but I am sure you can play the part. Most trolls can play the part rather well when they need to, you could take a look at that ViolentAcrez guy, (I may have spelled that wrong) steady job, family, all of those things. However, when you do have someone who is not actually well-adjusted, but can play the part, the anonymity that provides often causes the person's true self to come out. Again, maybe this is your persona, or maybe you go around incessantly insulting the physical appearance of women past middle-aged if you feel they have wronged you...how would I know?

Either way, no, I don't actually think I need a restraining order because I don't think you'd have the sack to talk to me face to face. I could be wrong, maybe one day you'll prove me wrong. I'm not even really saying you don't, I'm saying that people like you (in my view) and who I am aware of would not have the sack.

I'm not even talking about a physically violent confrontation. I'm saying that I don't think you have the sack to even engage someone in a face-to-face conversation, and that if you did, your verbiage would be much different. If your verbiage would be different, then you are nothing but an actor on the Forums, a creative writer of sorts. My conclusion is that this is the real you and you would not have the sack to engage someone in person, even in a non-violent setting, or you're an actor. I conclude that there is a 99% chance that it is one or the other. I'm leaving you that 1% out on the chance that you would have the sack and you're just a fundamentally immature piece of work.

Either way, for you to suggest to me that I should grow up is laughable.

That's also why I have respect for LarryS and not for you. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate you, I don't dislike you, I just have no respect for you. You annoy me. I find it difficult to take you seriously.

I can take LarryS seriously. I think LarryS is the sort of person where, if it was convenient for both of us to have a face-to-face conversation, that he would have the sack to do that. I would suggest that if LarryS turned such an offer down, were I in his neck of the woods, it wouldn't be because he lacks the scrotum, but rather because he genuinely would just have no interest in meeting me. If you turned down such an offer from me, I would conclude it is because you don't have the scrotum. My conclusion could be wrong, maybe you would just have no interest, either, but that would be my conclusion all the same.

 

In the Discussion About the Suspension List it was suggested by someone other than Wizard that you may have been nuked for something that you said (presumably about WoV or the Wizard himself) at a different Forum, which I assume would have been GG based on the time in question. To the best of your knowledge, could there be any truth to that?

 

If you're serious, then good, I hope he is doing well.

 

All this scrotum and sack talk seems to be getting you excited. For the record, I checked the law in all 50 states and it's illegal to jerk off while driving next to a truck with a woman looking down. Keep that in mind the next time you decide to "air out" your genitals. You're welcome.

You are the weakest dink.

 

Since black hole can't figure out how it is done then he knows it is impossible to do. The hubris of it all.

 

In my opinion it is best not to let the real world intrude on what we post on these boards: the results are rarely palatable.

Some years ago a poster on another board went after another poster and his adult daughter with great vehemence; it was brutal.

Rather than just ignore the troll, the targets sued for defamation, with predictable results.

The only winners were the attorneys: any "victory" was most definitely not sweet, and certainly not worth the large legal fees expended in getting there.

Then again, if (like Trump) a person is very wealthy, then the above analysis does not apply: they can use litigation to club their adversaries into silence, as "litigation is a game best played by the wealthy."

 

There was a disclaimer on that, I reiterate, and the post specifically said I wasn't doing that when the non-existent truck passed me. Your off-topic response to me that makes no attempt at defending the accusations I made with respect to your character is noted. I'd be hard-pressed to defend that were I in your position, so I do not harbor any ill will towards you for taking the easy way out. In any event, it proves what I suspected the entire time, I really have zero reason to address you.

 

Follow up: a word to the wise "from the horse's mouth:"

http://www.njlawblog.com/2011/09/articles/litigation/jurisdiction-in-internet-defamation-cases/

 

By the way Mission/Pavlov/Pierce/weak link, to answer your question "Who the hell viciously attacks a fifty - something year old woman on her personal appearance repeatedly? Not freddy. I call her by the name that SOMEONE ELSE gave her. That's it. I don't even know who gave it to her. Learn how to use the forum and see who attacks her. It's not me. Or continue your lies just like you always do.

Beached Whale has a good ring to it. Beached Whale - BW. Barbara W. She's twice the man you'll ever be. Now tell us for the thousandth time how tough you are and how you can handle yourself. Very impressive....for a little kid.

 

For me, the real world has, 'Intruded,' on the boards regularly, but in a positive way. I have worked both for and with multiple people that I have met on these boards and such occasions have generally been lucrative for all parties involved. Furthermore, I have also met other like-minded gamblers in my area, and while we may not work together on direct, we share information about a good many things. I've talked to other hustlers/vultures, and occasionally if we are looking at the same places, we'll coordinate things so we are not stepping on one another's toes.

I've met people from the Forums with whom I have not done any sort of AP. Anyone who attended the Nuggets challenge or the first WoVEast would be an example. I've also met RudeBoiOi (who I include because we weren't meaningfully APing, probably overall a -EV day) Boz, BBB and a few others.

I can say that I've not met anyone from WoV in person and had a negative experience as a result, outside of AP engagements that didn't go well (for any parties involved) but that's just the nature of that beast, of course.

People may come to their own conclusions, but I am a genuinely nice guy and I like almost everybody. I haven't met anyone from WoV that I have not liked. If I were to meet Freddy, without knowing who it was I was meeting (and maybe even then) I would probably like him. For me to actually dislike someone takes a lot, they'd have to seriously piss me off, I'm much more likely just to ignore someone completely before it gets to that point.

I tend not to be the litigious type, but would probably represent myself in a case such as that, which I would never instigate anyway. Anyway, I'm ready to close the book on Freddy provided he doesn't do anymore public mentioning of real names, locations, contact info, or anything like that. I also don't know anything about that posted E-Mail address that he spoke of other than it was my first ever E-Mail address and I haven't even looked at the thing in probably fifteen years or more.