Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Hey no biggie Only a $1 for a VPN for a month. Always interesting see how long it takes to get nuked again. Actually am complimented when I am whacked for being just me. I am nothing if not a straight shooter. Still trying to use WOV pms for info on Stadium Blackjack. Always curious who nukes me. Not Babs darlin' NO WAY !

 

That makes sense to me.
Sure you have several times but its really none of my business and

I thought I responded to him after his explanation.

The compulsive liar is calling me a crazy man.

I don't have any reason to doubt what he said, it sounds very probable. It's not crazy talk because I think he does talk to someone who probably talks to someone. Im not suggesting it's some super private stuff or anything like that.

Freddy
There has been many things that caught my eye for a while, but I'm going to keep my mouth shut because it's really NOMB and no good can come of it.

 

I think you are putting so much more into it than is there. He may have another account at WOV but he certainly doesn't post much if at all. He is, was and always will be 1BB. And he will never be able to get over his obsession about how that forum is run. He would never meet anyone and never has. Any regular poster over there is not helping him, he just spends hours reading the posts there looking for things to happen that fit his agenda. Period. Look at his posts, even Mission saw it.

You often stated you are concerned about socks because of potentially doing business with them. No chance of that with Freddy. Not sure what damage can come from outing him.

Honestly it wouldn't take a forensic investigator long to prove it but who needs to go to that length? Unless of course there is money involved.

But make no mistake, 1BB/Freddy is a sick individual who everyone is better off without him in their life, virtually or in reality.

 

I'm also starting to think that(FIRST BASE BLACKJACK)is FREDDY,but have my doubts...One thing is certain IBYA is JBS/JBJB...The only person that's more obvious is BUZZARD,with his 101 aliases

 

oK, i am going to chime in because this is low hanging fruit.

Who cares who freddy "really" is.

Mr V has mentioned on a couple of occasions that he is a lawyer in oregon. So what if I suspected that he was really a florist in San Francisco?
Would my suspicions make all his past humorous posts...less humorous /Or would it make his debate points less valid or less idiotic? Would I have a better understanding of his flying dice shirt?

What if I suspected that a general poster was not a drunken whining racist pussy AP full time, and was instead a drunken whining racist pussy hair stylist , while pushing buttons on machines part-tme, in between perms. Would that make his informative posts any less valid?

Who the fuck cares about the specifics of who people really are.

The question should be....are their comments valid or not. Are their opinions based on facts?

If freddy spent his days bemoaning how great BB1 was.....then it would be relevant to wonder if he is BB1. But he doesnt. He talks about injustice to other members other than BB1. So the question then remains....who really cares if he is BB1 or not.
Is his comments based on facts.....is his opinions based on some logical viewpoint....and whatever you think...then go from there and either ignore him or engage him in debate.

who he "really is" ......is immaterial.

If I posted under a different name from the very beginning HERE....nothing would have changed. I stand by my comments...and my comments a vast majority of the time had nothing to do with LarryS. Like freddy, my comments were generally not revolving around me. in these 300 pages

so what the fuck....I was accused of being freddy at one point. And in that case I could see the angst it could cause a board, because that would mean unregulated sock puppetry. But even if freddy was indeed BB1...he is breaking no rules,he is posting as a single person, and he makes comments often providing quotes...and bases his opinions of the hard facts that he provides.

THAT is one of the reasons this thread still thrives....there is a factual proven basis that freddy provides.......who ever he may be.

 

Larry, I really dont care if you, me, or the dog participates here, I merely wanted to celibate you and what I thought was your decision to no longer post at GF. Here is to your return(even though you never left).
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Why do we care if Freddy is a member at WOV under a diffrent persona, or whatever you want to call it?

In the case of Freddy where he seems to dislike and go after people, especially the administration at WOV. He has said, he still has lots of online friends from WOV, perhaps I'm one of them online friends and I dont know it. I want to know who im dealing with, especially if that someone is hiding behind an alias constantly "attacking" people I might like and consider RL friends.

Someone might say something to their WOV persona because they thought was harmless under normal circumstances. Had they known that person was also Freddy they might not say something or even want anything to do with someone that plays games with multiple personas/personalities.

 

bb1 WAS AN ALIAS.

so you are saying it makes a difference if freddy is an alias of an alias.

freddy already said, that he is not sharing confidential info.

it was someone else who posted links to personal photos of the manboys family....not freddy.

Everyone I talk to here has an "alias"....and thats fine. I dont PM them personal info so I dont fucking carer WHO I am talking to.

No one should care. Unless you are gullible and you get sucked into posters like Aimee and it becomes more personal.

Otherwise these boards are for entertainment. Some learning. Some debate. And an answer can be obtained from a person who is a drunkard, a pedophile, a crack addict, a stock broker, or an AP.......and the answer may or may not be useful or even accurate or truthfull from any of the above. And people who dont realize this are dunces.

There were people who chose to believe aimee.....and for those type of stupid people...they get what they deserve. If she was not banned, people like Axhole would have given her info about themselves that could possibly be used in nefarious ways. Because people like axhole need to have a feeling for WHO they are talking too because it seems he will project a different level of conversation to someone he has deemed to be worthy. And that is a fucking mistake.
Everyone here has equal worthiness.....and will always have equal worthiness. And my level of conversation with them is always on the same level. I dont give out higher level info to people who I thibnk are "cool" or "safe" or "worthy"

So if thats the case I dont fucking care if freddy is an alias of an alias...or if he just dropped out of the sky and never posted before.
I read his comments and go from there.
If he ever pm'd me. I would give him my opinions on what he wanted to discuss....but I wouldnt assume he was my bud...and give him any special info.

I suppose since me and freddy goes way back on this thread....and we seem to think alike....I could have pm'd him and asked him if he was BB1. However I never have, because it makes no fucking difference to me.

If people are PM'ing him on WOV under a different screen name...they would have to know he is freddy over here, if the topic they just talked to him about via PM showed up here. So your fear that people are talking to him without knowing the consequences.....is ill placed. I dont see it as an issue.

Only an asshole or axhole would give out info that can bite them in the ass to a namless faceless person. Only an idiot would put themselves in thst position

I have been talking with and debating, and agreeing, and disagreeing with Mr V for about 20 years. I can say for a fact that outside of vacations each year....a week hasnt gone by where I havent read something by MrV and responded to it....for 20 years.

Patrick board, GG, Wov and here.

Does that mean I know anything at all about his personal life that is of any substance. Does that mean I confide in him or need to know if what little I know about him is for real. NO I am not the axhole type...that needs to know WHO i am really talking to.

If you have good reasoning skills, and therefore a good debater....I am glad to engage. If you are a lawyer like V, an AP like MC, or a snake charmer, like......... it doesnt matter.

 

I didnt know why BB1 posted what he did when he was posting at wov....and I didnt care.
And I dont know why freddy posts what he does.....and I dont care

If I never knew why BB1 posted what he did,.....and if freddy was proven to be BB1......I still would know little as to why.

I am not the same poster here as I was at Patrick or Wov.Those are boards that have more enforced rules so I posted nothing there like I do here. Over here and at GG..the gloves come off. And it would shock most people to know that well over 95 percent of my posts at wov were not on the "discussion of the suspension list" thread. I post on a wide variety of topics.Very wide.

BB1 was respectful over at wov. He would never post over there like freddy posts over here...and thats fine. He spent much more time on the discussion of the suspension list thread.

However it doesnt matter. Until his last post which I agree went over the line...he, like myself seemed to be on the wrong side of the issue.

So in the "how dare you question us" culture at wov....we were banned.

So the "how dare you" culture can be turned right around against them. I can say "how dare you" to folks at wov on this board as well. Whats good for the goose......good for the gander.

 

Larry, I think the Wiz nuked you because he considered you to be a royal pain in the ass, basically.

He figured it would involve more trouble and drama to keep you around than to get rid of you.

You questioned the fundamental principles of the Wiz and his board: good for you, but look what it got you.

 

And while I am on the topic of Mickey Crimm, and since this thread is on the topic of WoV, I want to say that WoV's handling of the "Mickey Crimm Situation" was weak at best. While Mickey's unique situation of sometimes posting under the influence, and some of the things he said and language that he used clearly violated site rules, there has to be some flexibility involved and Mike and WoV were unable and unwilling to do so. Mike is extraordinarily "rigged" in this regard. He has a "rules are rules" mentality, with little flexibility. But that is just a very anal quality and not at all a good quality for a site administrator. There needs to be flexibility and each case should be evaluated on it's own, unique merit, not just some rigged guideline.

Specific to Mickey's situation, Mickey's unique expertise and positive contributions should have carried more weight. I am a guy who weights almost all decisions as to a risk vs reward or pro vs con type thing and Mickey's contributions far outweighed his PUI issues in my opinion. I would have found a way to accommodate Mickey Crimm in that situation. Yes it might have taken a unique and creative approach, but come on Mike and mods are supposed to be smart people.

I think I would have just continually removed his offensive posts. And while some might cry 'special treatment', Mickey's value warrants that IMO.

And Shackleford is not above special treatment to certain members. Did anyone notice the "welcome" posts from Mike to both Qfit and Bob Dancer, immediately after their first post? (In Qfit's case it was his first post after snubbing the site for 5+ years). But in both cases he heaped praise and welcome acculations like a school girl with a crush. And in both these situations, neither member had yet contributed a damn thing at the time of Mike's great admiration special treatment. And you can argue that neither has gone on to contribute much value. And yet those members that had contributed positively and create value were not shown that same special consideration.

I don't know if WoV is dying or not. Participation dropped off before leveling out at this lower level. In my opinion the quality of discussion has deteriorated in recent years. But I can tell you this much, if the site is in fact dying, not finding a way to keep valued and valuable members like Mickey Crimm is where it all started.

 

IIRC, some moderators were either deleting some of the "troubling" or whatever someone wants to call them posts, or they were editing them to remove bad words.

I don't know if WOV has some sort of system to require screening of a post before it's made. If there were, that'd have been a suitable choice, if a mod was willing to screen through each of his posts. At some point, it becomes easier to just ban someone than to continue extending favors or whatever to Mickey. If he can't keep his trap shut when he's drunk......


I'm not particularly a fan of Norm or Dancer (especially not Dancer). But I think it'd be in poor form for the host, Mike, not to welcome famous / well-known APs to the forum. Ya kinda lost me on this one, KJ.

 

Did WOV lose something when Mickey and KJ were banned? Of course it did. But both knew it was a possibility just like any of us understand that desires to post there. Did the site lose anything by banning Larry or Freddy? You would be hard pressed to make that argument unless you just look at it from a number of posts point of view.
This site, while a different animal certainly hasn't gained anything financially from any of us. In fact I would believe any potential advertisers would look at this thread as a negative. I can't see any legitimate business wanting to be associated with it.
Time will tell what the owners plan is but this can't be what they had in mind when they wanted to bring the worlds best gambling minds together.

 

Another Fierce lie. Are you feeling left out because compulsive liar is not next to your name? You like to order our Admin around. Maybe you can order him to give you that designation.

I have never referred to Beached whale as anything but Beached whale and you know it. Would BW be acceptable? That might get confusing...nickname and real name.

Why don't you tell the truth and admit that you do everything to discredit me because I mention your Craigslist article? You wanted the publicity. You wanted the cult to read it. You provided the link. Now you refuse to discuss it.

Writing about exposing yourself to women, masturbating in front of helpless women. That is sexually deviant behavior. Those are sex crimes and writing about them violates WOV Forum rule 8. Then you say it didn't really happen. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't and that may be just as disturbing. It makes one wonder about the mental condition of such a person and it certainly brings into question the fitness to moderate as well as question those who allow you to do so.

I really don't care about your proclivities except that they cause you to lash out. You can't discuss or defend the trash you wrote so you try to go after the messenger. You say I'm 1BB, you correct my grammar and misspelled words and call me retarded or simply a retard. The actions of a frustrated 12 year old boy.

I'm not insulted by your feeble attempts to discredit me. It says more about you. Someone with a Downs Syndrome child or a special needs child may be. Again, it goes to character. A normal person does not write the things you did. A normal person does not poke fun a people with special needs.

Sorry if you object to me bringing it up but you wrote it. I forgot the article's title. I remember it was a long title...Ithink it's here somewhere. I'll look for it.

 

Dude, what? MC's "special treatment" has been the topic of a number of LarryS' posts here. All of us, ALL, made every attempt possible to keep the man. From nixing the Martingale just for him, to on-the-sly editing, and at least me and Mission BOTH offered to be his proofreader; just send us the post, we'd clean it up, and post it for him.

Even his final mighty swing, which was his, like, 7th 30day because we just continued to refuse to nuke him, didn't start off as a nuke. MC will even tell ya, and has in this very thread, that we were there for him but he just didn't want the help.

We made every effort and then some. Even Wiz broke from Martingale along the way.

 

The disclaimer was added before I posted it because I figured at least one person would be obtuse and stupid enough to take a fictional paragraph literally without it. That someone took it literally with it comes as a surprise.

Don't talk about, "Handling yourself," you lack the fortitude to even state what your screen name(s?) is(are?) over there.

Yes, Stephen King and I both wrote something fictional. Is that inapt? I didn't say anything I write is on par with his works.

 

The relevant subject of this thread is WoV Forums, which strangely, given I am an Administrator there, I am very rarely asked about.

 

Still ignoring the Fierce lie about be? Still searching? Still won't own up?

 

What lie? Quote it. I've very little time for nonsense. I've invested far more time into you than you warrant.

No, I haven't looked for it because I cannot be bothered to do so.

 

Re BWC. You said: "the only person to whom freddy and yourself have attributed that nickname". Just like I said a few posts ago. If you weren't so busy crying to Admin you might have remembered. Sucks not getting your own way huh?

 

The Wiz nixed the idea of my being proofread before the posts go up. I specifically remember that. He said something about personal responsibility.

I agreed with every suspension I took. I agreed with my banning. I was drinking pretty heavily in those days. I didn't follow the rules. I like the mods on WoV and I don't even hold a grudge against Shack anymore.

I consider the moderating at WoV to be very good. The criticism of it in this thread is from disgruntled former members of WOV who couldn't follow the rules but blame their banning on everyone but the true culprits, themselves.