Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

1.) I don't know as I haven't paid much attention to, 'Hidden,' Members being logged in or not. I'm not sure such numbers are even kept anywhere, don't see why they would be.

2.) With respect to Banned Members who sign in, I think you would be surprised how few there are. Since I seriously doubt if it is truly sensitive information, so far today, only three of 186 Members who have logged in are banned. Most people who are Banned lose interest and/or stop logging in, believe it or not.

3.) Banned Members are counted because that is how the Forum Software works. I think the only way to stop them being counted would be to not allow them to log in, but if we did that, then they couldn't just jump to unread posts if they like to still follow the Forum. That seems unnecessarily cruel to me.

Could you do it in a way that they could log in and not count? Probably, but Cost/Benefit Analysis. It would take a non-zero amount of work for effectively zero gain.

Like I said before, I think to Freddy (but maybe not) it isn't a metric that I ever recall being discussed by myself or other Administration. I just really think that, for whatever reason, people on this site seem more concerned about that, 'Daily Members,' number than anyone else. If you want it to go down, then do your part, don't log in. If you log in, why shouldn't you count as someone who has logged in?

And, you are contributing something, page views.

4.) A few of the Administrators are not active in Forum Administration. The names are in Green because they have to have Admin access to have access to the backend. I see that Zuga and Joshua.Chan have logged in today, Zuga is rarely active in direct Forum Administration and I don't recall Joshua.Chan ever being active in that regard. They are, however, Members. Should they not count as Member visits?

5.) I don't know that Buzzard rolls with more than one sock at a time, you'd have to ask him.

6.) They may deflate the Member visits, but that has nothing to do with, 'Unique Users,' a number that I don't actually know. I'm just saying, logged in Members does not necessarily mean the end all and be all in terms of traffic.

7.) I consider Wizard very active, he still pumps out content for WoO/WoV, ownership is apparently very happy with him as they recently said he can stay on as long as he wants.

8.) I would also reiterate that the true powers that be probably care most about monetizing the Forum, so as long as that's working out well, I'm pretty sure they're happy.

 

And they have probably had at least a few thousand new sign-UPS since this thread started.

 

Ok then , that is reasonable...and along the lines of what Face has said...especially about the part of rules are present that you dont agree with.
However it seems you have no problem enforcing them, and Face has publically stated(so I am not outing him)....that he doesnt enforce some rules that he doesnt agree with...or at least doesnt put the same emphasis on them as other mods.

He says what this creates is cool. It creates a different punishment frequency based on who is on duty.
Just from remembering his thoughts from months ago.....its a good thing to have that type of diversity and inconsistency in punishment...based on some mods enforcing some rules according to their liking. Face even admitted he doesnt know all the rules let alone enforce all of them.

So we have a climate where some mods enforce different rules differently....and the biggest Mod....the dude in charge...admits that he goes on suspension sprees when he is in a bad mood.

Add that all together( and I am just usiing this one piece instead of throwing everything at you at one time)....would you or would you not agree that this climate is bad for business. (THe business being the happiness of your customers and the inviting climate to make them want to stay)

 

Mission 146 I seriously doubt the 5 or 6 id's I have used in the last year have impacted your numbers. The quality of threads and content has been in a serious slide on many fronts. The last good roulette thread ? Remember when Roger Snow used WOV to solicit attendees in Focus Group 1 & 2.
When is the last time Pacman or Switch bothered to visit, let alone post anything ? Remember when the Luck Bros first approached WOV With Riverboat Roulette and all the great advice they received ? I thought about trying once again to get some insight on Stadium Blackjack, but decided to not waste a $1 for a VPN, because WOV is not a valuable resource anymore. Some of your articles are worth reading, but how long since a casino review like Teddys used to post ? Does he even visit anymore ? I have no axe to burn with Mike or even the infamous Zuga. Aces of Spades is long gone. When was the last time Dan Lubin called a counter a cheater ? I use PM's occasionally to tag up with Miplet or Axle. I don't Pm Babs anymore as she rides for the brand. I try to avoid Face as I know he has a paper stating I AM A BIGOT taped to his refrigerator door.

 

I would say that I generally enforce all of the Rules, but I do not put as much emphasis on the, 'No Profanity,' rule as other Administrators might.

If Face would consider it hypocritical (if that is his reason) to enforce a Rule that he does not agree with to the, 'T,' then that is his prerogative. My prerogative (generally) is that I have a job to do which supersedes whether or not I agree with the Rules. I think most police officers would share my prerogative, but maybe not, I have not spoken to most police officers. Maybe some would turn a blind eye to what they would consider a, 'Light,' offense, which is something that I would do, in many instances of profanity.

Face may Administrate the way Face wants to. I do not supervise Face. If Wizard (or ownership) has a problem with the way Face Administrates, then I am not aware of it.

I can do the best I can to answer for myself and for the Forum as a whole. I cannot speak to Wizard's intentions behind any of the statements he has made. I enforce the Rules according to my understanding of the Rules.

Again, I consider the overall product very good and am pleased and proud to have a small hand in the production and presentation of that product. This statement of Wizard's that you allude to was made a long, long time ago, so I don't even know that such represents his opinion or what he does now. I don't think very many people have been Suspended in the last several months let alone there being any, 'Sprees,' for any reason.

 

I am not going to argue your points as far as TODAY, because the numbers are there, but I sincerely don't think today is reflective of a normal day. I would ask you to check a few days and I think you will be surprised.

Some of my "my time" is late at night as my partner goes to bed earlier than I. I often am online checking sites from around 11:30 pm until I go to bed anywhere from 1 to 2am. (these times are Vegas time) So I frequently see the complete or near complete list before it switches over at midnight (Vegas time). And most days at or near the end of the ay there are significantly more than 3 names in red. I am going to say 8-12.

Similarly with Mods. BBB is hidden but there are usually 5-6 names in green. That is more than pre-LCB. And Zuga and Joshu Chan log on more than you think. I know because I often see the both logged on in that 11pm ish to 2am -ish window that I am active. Chan is on 2-3 times a week and it usually is right around midnight. I suspect that is morning where he is. Zuga is on more frequently, probably 4-5 times a week. He often is on just as I am shutting down for bed, 1:30 -2am (vegas time). I suspect that is morning where he is. lol

 

Mission
thanks for your response.
Based on your previous responses....I feel further questions for you might be a waste of time for both of Us.

you sound like the PR person for Exxon after an oil spill.

i understand your position. I understand that you make money personally from that company.

So I understand you when you say that you have a good product.

I have a feeling the good product mantra will resonate throughout the thread no matter what I ask.

I didnt ask if you had a good product or not. I asked if the climate I presented is good for business....good for making your customers happy.

If banning when in a bad mood made someone psychologically happy, if banning made someone feel better mentally 2 years ago.....I dont know if without psychiatric help that would change on its own, and I cannot assume it did,

So all I asked is if different mods punishing people differently, some not at all, some to the letter of the rule.....along with an over-see-er who announces that he suspends when in a bad mood.......if that climate would be good for business....any business..

And you gave me an answer that you consider the product very good.

Ok question asked.....question answered ...in an oblique way

 

I cannot pretend to know PacMan's motivations, but it seems that his participation dropped off when SHFL was sold to Bally Tech and then Bally Tech to Scientific Gaming. Unless someone can point to how Administration may have had a hand in his not posting as frequently, then I cannot give you any answer for why he does not post anymore and take no accountability for it. As far as Switch goes, I also do not know why he stopped visiting.

There's been a GOOD Roulette thread!? (Kidding)

Unfortunately, your opinion of WoV not being worth $1 for a VPN is irrelevant to me because you are a Nuked Member and as such have no right to be posting there. While I do not go out of my way to look for you, it doesn't mean I condone you posting there. I like you personally, you know that, but you have no right to post on WoV for that reason or any other. What do you want to know about Stadium Blackjack? I'll try to find out for you.

I appreciate your compliment as relates my Articles! I thank you for that. I recently posted a Review of LongHorn Casino (and of two AC casinos within the last year) and my Review of Ellis Island shall be posted soon. I'd like to see some more new Reviews, but they really are somewhat cost/benefit, so I can see why they might not be pumped out with any great regularity.

TeddyS visits from time to time, just under a week ago, in fact. Interestingly enough, I don't think he would mind me saying he is my best friend IRL, I talk to him almost daily. We see one another pretty regularly given the distance we live apart from one another.

 

You forgot to mention JBS/JBJB=IBEATYOURACES he's just below AXEL/MICKEY/RS

 

you guys all need your fucking heads examined....nobody would ever believe this nonsense......the wov guys have won, this site is now totally fucked up. well done

I'm outta here......LONG LIVE GAMBLERS GLEN

 

1.) I similarly agree that today is not reflective of a normal day, and if you will allow me to shoot from the hip, I would say that the Mean Average number is somewhere between 6-8, in terms of Banned. I don't think it is anything like the 10% of all Members that you seem to suggest. I still maintain that I think you'd be impressed by how few, assuming my 6-8 is right, which I'm fairly confident about.

Keep in mind the disparity between what you see on the list and the charted total also includes, 'Hidden,' Members. 'Hidden,' Members often post, are in good standing, and should count under any reasonable standard. Thus, when you are talking about a 10%, I would advise you keep, 'Hidden,' Members in mind.

If you really want me to, I'd have to look at it for about a month to have a meaningful sample size of the number of Members who are actually banned. I also don't know that individuals who may or may not post here would not see this and deliberately falsely inflate the number (by being banned and logging in) just to prove your point.

So, my off-the-cuff guess is 6-8 Members, on average, per day, who are actually Banned Members.

2.) I am also often on late. It looks like we have a little overlap with my high-end guess against your low-end guess, so maybe we're not too far apart on this. Either way, 8-12 would certainly not be 10% of the site's logged in visitors being Banned Members.

3.) I agree there are more Green names than there were before LCB took over, mainly because there are LCB people who are Green. I am not surprised by any amount of time that Zuga and Joshua Chan log in, I simply stated that they are not active in Forum Administration, by which I mean doing bans, editing posts, that sort of thing. They are definitely active on the site, but it's probably on the backend. Zuga also posts, sometimes.

 

1.) You're welcome, thank you for the civil discourse.

2.) Again, the Members are not the only customers, that is the point I am trying to make. The Members are not even necessarily the customers from whom most of the revenue is derived, but again, I wouldn't actually know. The vast majority of WoV customers are not seen, not heard from, do not become Members. WoV has 580,698 posts (which probably includes some deleted posts, not sure if those count) as of the time I type this and I can virtually guarantee that those posts have resulted in at least 20x that in historical page views.

It's probably a ton more than that, but my point is, not all customers are seen.

How happy are people with the site? Is the site successful?

Revenues answer the question. Return-on-Investment.

We're either having one conversation, having another conversation, or are having both. We can have both, but if we do, we need to completely separate both of them. You cannot equate, "Member," to, "Customer," as if Members are the only customers. Anyone who views the site is a customer, or at least, a potential customer.

3.) I would say the overall business climate is good, and like any other business owner, any other employee, any other human being on the face of the planet, some people can be said to have bad days from time to time. Was that statement the product of a, 'Bad day,' I don't know. That is why I do not answer to statements that other people make.

 

I think you mis-understood my quote. I was saying 10% (and that was a rough, maybe slightly high guestimate), was the combination of banned members, extra mods, Buzz, and others with multiple accounts.

But, No. No need for further research on your end. In case you hadn't heard I am not even a member there , so it all means nothing to me. I'm just making conversation.

 

Out of the top 10 posters on WOV, the only person that has any REAL relevance is AXEL..the others are ploppies or freaks of nature!!! Almost forgot my ol pal JBS/JBJB... runner up 4 u

 

In that event, I did misunderstand your quote, sorry about that. In terms of a combination, I would tend to think that is a little bit high. I don't know why, for instance, people would log themselves in and then log a sock in during the same day, or alternatively, log in multiple socks. Maybe the number goes up to 12-15, I don't know, that's even more of a wild ass guess than my guess on Banned Members, which I am still pretty confident about. I'm not very confident at all about that 12-15. I'm not sure it's as many as 12 or as few as 15!!!

Conversation is good, particularly this one in light of the last several pages. It's what we should be here for.

 

Relevance to what, Advantage Play? Not only is that not a true statement, (IBeatYourAces, for one) but it is not an Advantage Play site, per se. It is a general Las Vegas Discussion and Gambling Discussion site. You don't need to be an AP to be a, 'Relevant," member.

 

I wasn't trying to win anything and fail to see how this site has changed very much. Oh well, nice knowing you, Appistappis.

Parenthetically, I didn't even realize that GG was still a going concern. I kind of figured some of the individuals here posted here because GG had died. Granted, I've paid almost zero attention to GG.

I just took a glance at GG and see that the layout, or whatever you want to call it, appears not to have been updated since 1990-something. I'm being facetious, of course, but that place is old-school looking. I could definitely understand why people would prefer to post here than GG.

 

I mentioned my old pal after editing, IBEATYOURACES / JBS/JBJB he's knowledgable, just full of shit with a lot of his claims...and likes to pull childish tantrums Only on this site though,not his other aliases.

 

I'm sorry, it didn't occur to me immediately that JBS/JBJB is IBYA, but I tend to think I should have known that. I would also argue that there are a few others in that Top Ten list who could AP, have the basic knowledge and the aptitude, would certainly be reliable enough and knowledgeable enough to work for a team. It just so happens they don't.

 

of course...at first it was having more than one screename...the number went higher each time he mentioned it.
and then changed for greater effect...the attacking his family