Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Actually, oops, I read some of the groundbreaking volition studies about 12 years ago, and they scared and excited the living hell out of me. I thought the fact that much of what we perceive as volition turning out to be illusory would create groundbreaking new ways of looking at things. But the results, instead of flipping ideas about personal control and intentional acts, barely became part of public discourse. They are so revolutionary, nobody is willing to look at or discuss the implications for how we perceive ourselves or what changes should occur in the legal system.

So yeah, I was trying to stay abreast of this quite a long time ago. But it's too damaging to the way people perceive themselves for it to become part of daily conversation.

 

So you are going with the "everyone does it" defense?

Shades of Uncle Leo in the 'shoplifting' Seinfeld episode. Uncle Leo: "What stealing? Everybody does it."

I was kind of expecting Michael Shackleford to be better than an "Uncle Leo" as well as expecting those of you that worship him to have a better defense than "everybody does it". That is pretty weak!

I mean seriously, the guy represents himself as a professional AP and gaming expert. That is the reason he is one of the guys that the media goes to for comments on these kind of stories. They don't call on him for his unicycling or rope climbing abilities. They call on him because he is supposed to be a professional AP, who knows what it takes to beat and make a living off the casinos. THAT is his reputation. So if he needs to work for or with the casino industry for income....well that's just another example of a pattern of dishonesty, IMO.

 

This is actually one of my pet peeves. (not only in regards to Shackleford)

Let's get something straight. A professional AP is someone who makes their living and pays their bills off of AP play.

If you are consulting or working for the casino industry, you are NOT a professional AP. You are a part-time AP (and a traitor).

If you are a retired wall street banker, who sells software products TO AP's, you are NOT a professional AP.

If you had a 30 year career as a college professor and after retiring, take up playing blackjack, you are NOT a professional AP. You are a retired guy living off your retirement and SS. At best you are 'supplementing' your income. (this is a guy on the wall street banker's site who calls himself a 20 year professional BJ player).

If after selling some sort of family business that you ran for decades, and retiring, you spend more time playing blackjack which you played as a hobby for years, you are NOT a professional blackjack player or AP. Again, you are a retired guy, supplementing (at best) your retirement. (this is the fraud guy on the wall street banker's site).

A "professional" AP is someone who makes their entire income off of AP play (in my case mostly blackjack). There is no other job or consulting income. There is no retirement income that you are really living off of. A real professional AP has no safety blanket of other income. This is it. This is all we have. We have put all our eggs in one basket. We have taken the big risk. And most of us have probably enduring losing periods at some point, probably early on when we were underfunded where we started to worry about paying the rent and buying food. In my own case, I literally lived off of sandwiches and 'mac and cheeze' for a couple years early on. Someone who is supplementing or has another income or whatever, hasn't earned that right to call themselves a professional AP, IMO.

 

One thing the WoV crowd hasn't been able to do since Dancer joined the forum is question him about his darkside activities over the years. Shack has put down a zero tolerance policy of questioning Dancer about those activities.

And let's not forget the Bovada/Betsoft scandal. Shack and Zuga did absolutely nothing for the gamblers who got burned.

 

Wow. You seriously sound like a psychopath/sociopath.


Instead of laying low and chilling out like you should have, you fired right back to try to prove yourself....as if you said fuck it I'm banned no point in trying to get unbanned I'll just be a martyr.

Look at the people who used to defend you and don't anymore. Now look at the people (MC excluded) who are on your side. Do you think all these people flip-flopped their opinion and we're all "traitors" to you.....or is it people this has consumed you and you've flown off the deep end? Re-read the last sentence you wrote in the quote above until it finally clicks. If that doesn't work, try setting up an appointment with a psychologist.

At this rate, you're gonna turn crazy (crazier*) and this will consume you even more. Can't stop you from going down that road, but it's not gonna end up well. Get some help before you're in too deep.

 

Kewlj, could you enlighten us on the particulars of the feuds Wattenberger had with Wong and Snyder?

 

It's really to bad Shack tied himself to Wattenbeger like that. I can't go along with kewlj laying low on the issue. If he does then Wattenberger wins. I can go along with an apology from Wattenberger and Shack. I think that would go along way in burying the issue.

 

Mickey and I are old school on this one. While I think KJ's moralizing is over the top and whiny, I agree with his attitude of screwing somebody who screwed him. Shackleford chose sides; now he pays the price. He didn't know what the price was going to be. Tough noogies.

 

The only person that screwed Kewlj over was Kewlj because he couldn't keep his dick suckers shut when asked to. The only reason these other cock suckers defend him is because they got the boot also. You're all a bunch of whiny, feminine crack heads.

 

JBS is shooting for a job at the UN. Under the current prez, he's a shoo-in.

 

A person is made up of approx. 37.2 trillion cells. You have to figure on some level of misdirection to keep the whole thing moving forward.

 

RS, I did nothing wrong as a member of the WoV site. I was a good positive contributing member. In 4+ years, I never attacked anyone or had bad words for anyone. I was suspended one time for calling Evenbob a jackass. Even that was almost a technicality. Mike himself acknowledged I was a positive contributing member, which was my goal. AND...I enjoyed participating there. So when someone showed up, not really a member there, with the sole intent to take that from me....No I was not going to "lay low" or "chill out". I was, did and will continue to defend myself and make my case that I was treated unfairly. If you kick me, I fight back. And if I am right (which I am), I will continue to fight back.

Most of the people that used to defend me but don't anymore, stopped because they just grew tired it. Most haven't changed their opinion that I was and continue to be right. They just are tired of me continuing to fight the fight. It isn't their fight and their comes a point that if it isn't your fight, you lose interest and tire of hearing about it. I understand that. But it is my fight and I am going to continue to fight. So most of the people that used to defend me but no longer do, it is because they have just grown indifferent.

You, RS are the exception. YOU have turned against me because you are friends with Mike and feel like you need to take sides and defend him. You have zero credibility because you are friends with Mike. You are a mother or family member, who pleads the innocence of their son or brother, when they absolutely know he committed the crime. It is sad that you and a few other of the WoV cult can't separate the two. I don't know why you can't be a friend and supporter of Mike, but acknowledge that he was wrong, knew he was wrong and never stepped up like a man and fixed it.

I don't know the details of either feud. Both were before my time in the community, but both were pretty public. I believe Snyder's had something to do with something technical and 'mathy', like how you calculate the most accurate true count in blackjack. That seems like such a minor thing, but essentially, Snyder was challenging Norm's software....his baby.

Norm's feud with Wong, I know even less about. All I really know is it lasted a long time. When I joined BJ21, I guess about 6 years ago, Norm was a (paying) member but never participated. There were a couple references to this feud, but I never knew the details. But, people knew he didn't participate because of this feud. Then one day he posted something. There were some "welcome back", "good to see you post again" comments.

I spent a few minutes looking through the archives at BJ21 for the origin of this feud, but didn't find anything. But then again, I don't even know if it started there. I was really only interested because, in my online interactions with Stanford (which as I previously mentioned were my only interactions with him), I found him to be very pleasant. Very friendly and very non-confrontational. I wondered how anyone could be in a feud with him.

 

And how'd that work out for you? If you want people to defend you, don't act like a fucking idiot. Super simple stuff.

You got the short end of the stick, that doesn't mean you have to go all PMS.

100% wrong. Like I've said before, it's because of that F-U message you sent to Mike and your following actions ("fulfilling on your 45 year promise").

I'm pretty sure I was friends with Mike before all this shit went down, and I was defending you then. Guess what, I did step up -- I did try to fix it. Part of that being I can't help you if you don't help yourself by shutting up and "laying low" for a little while. You ever watch TV shows like Law & Order where the attorney tells his client not to answer a question from the police or investigator....then the client goes crazy, responding to the police, thereby fucking himself? Yeah, that's what you did and continue to do.


But hey, at least you have BWC, oopsididitagain, and freddy supporting you....maybe? That's gotta be the dream team right there.

 

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Do you have fits with those spells, IBYA?

 

I also don't know why and find it very disappointing that you would take the low road as you just did with the psychopath/sociopath attacks and calling my crazy (crazier). Stooping to this level is commonplace on these websites. I have done some myself that I am not always proud of and sometimes later regret. Be better than this! If you want to engage in discussion and want to make some points, do so. But don't go to these kind of attacks. It really is beneath you. But I believe you are better than this.

I too would like to suggest that you re-read some of your previous words. I would like to suggest that you go back and re-read some of your words defending me, especially the posts made on Norm's site. I would like to suggest that but unfortunately the record has been altered at that site. Posts have disappeared. A continuing pattern of censorship and removing anything negative that was expressed about Norm or his site.

And that is really what this whole thing was and is about. Censorship and protecting Norm's "brand". It wasn't enough that Norm censor and control what was said on his site. He wanted, tried and succeeded in extending that censorship and control to other sites (with Shackleford knowing or unknowingly allowing or helping him do so.) Norm wants to control what is said throughout the internet. It's all about branding. He will and has done anything and everything to protect his "brand" for the sake of sales. And I mean ANYTHING. Censorship. Manipulating and using people that he has influence with. Allowing fraudulent and misleading statements that as a math guy he KNOWS are false. And legal threats. The guy has no limit when it comes to protecting his brand and sales.

 

Funny that ibeatnobodyintherealworld thinks everyone is sore about being banned from a free internet gambling forum where grouches, misfits and the otherwise dysfunctional get along.

 

"Keep his dick suckers shut".... Is that really the best you can do? Mildly (just slightly) funny the first time you said it. Lame the second and third.

I suppose you really just want to make sure everyone knows that I am gay in an attempt to belittle me. I think anyone that cares knows that. Problem is that is irrelevant to this discussion. AND it is 2017 and people don't care about that. Why do you?

I don't care the slightest about your sexual preference, or sexual habits or who you are sleeping with. I don't hold it against you that you are (presumably) a "breeder". Seek happiness and stop being so trivial.

 

This is a reprint of my earlier post. In that earlier post I somehow mistakenly quoted myself rather than the post by RS that I was referencing, and didn't realize this within the 5 minute 'edit' period. So I am re-posting this post inserting the quote that I was responding to. My apologies for this confusion.

I also don't know why and find it very disappointing that you would take the low road as you just did with the psychopath/sociopath attacks and calling my crazy (crazier). Stooping to this level is commonplace on these websites. I have done some myself that I am not always proud of and sometimes later regret. Be better than this! If you want to engage in discussion and want to make some points, do so. But don't go to these kind of attacks. It really is beneath you. But I believe you are better than this.

I too would like to suggest that you re-read some of your previous words. I would like to suggest that you go back and re-read some of your words defending me, especially the posts made on Norm's site. I would like to suggest that but unfortunately the record has been altered at that site. Posts have disappeared. A continuing pattern of censorship and removing anything negative that was expressed about Norm or his site.

And that is really what this whole thing was and is about. Censorship and protecting Norm's "brand". It wasn't enough that Norm censor and control what was said on his site. He wanted, tried and succeeded in extending that censorship and control to other sites (with Shackleford knowing or unknowingly allowing or helping him do so.) Norm wants to control what is said throughout the internet. It's all about branding. He will and has done anything and everything to protect his "brand" for the sake of sales. And I mean ANYTHING. Censorship. Manipulating and using people that he has influence with. Allowing fraudulent and misleading statements that as a math guy he KNOWS are false. And legal threats. The guy has no limit when it comes to protecting his brand and sales.

 

I wasn't trying to insult or attack you. I was being honest. Seriously. There's some fucked up shit going on. Playing it off like it's normal or you're just innocently "keeping to your promise" makes it even worse.