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Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous Gambling Forum' started by LovePotion9, Sep 5, 2015.

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  1. Mission146

    Mission146 Well-Known Member

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    I agree that things have been going much better over the past year, I was just speaking historically. Could have gone to a better school, gotten a better degree, managed finances better...etc.
     
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    Mission146 Well-Known Member

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    The second half of this post is why I never take you seriously, for the record, but I'm only quoting the first part. I don't know who was the first to state it on this Forum and really don't care about the argument enough to look. I believe I already conceded the argument out of consideration for how important it is to you and how stupid of a thing it is to argue about.

    As far as the second part of your post, that's exactly why you're some sort of Internet tough guy who can't be taken seriously. Show of hands, how many people think BWC would have the balls to bring my kids up to my face?

    Secondly, I don't consider my kids a burden and I doubt that greater society considers my straight-A getting kids a burden. Hopefully, I can teach them from my own experiences what NOT to do so that they can turn their natural aptitude into greater success both earlier in life and overall. I can only hope they don't make the same mistakes I did. Meantime, I also have a responsibility to work with my ex-wife so we can save enough money to send them to a reasonably good school so they don't have to drown themselves in debt, as I did, in their first few years of adulthood.

    As far as, "Barely knew," is concerned, my ex-wife and I knew each other for a year and had been dating for ten months prior to her getting pregnant. While the pregnancy was, admittedly, unintentional, we were de facto living together at the time it happened. She also happens to be the mother of my kids and a good friend of mine, but again, it's just another example of you firing your mouth off for shock value or to try to get my goad with a bunch of bullshit that my $100 gets your $1 you wouldn't have the gonads to say to my face.
     
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  3. Mission146

    Mission146 Well-Known Member

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    I actually didn't see it prior to your post. Busy with some other stuff, so was mainly just skimming today. Thanks for pointing it out!

    The whole world can rest assured that my Administration is as fair and impartial as I can make it. The billions of Earth's denizens shall sleep easily tonight knowing that the hand of Mission146 distributes justice evenly.

    I don't think the world gives a fuck. Hell, DJTeddyBear probably doesn't care all that much.

    But, yeah, it was a pretty blatant personal insult.
     
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  4. Mickey Crimm

    Mickey Crimm Well-Known Member

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    I can tell you another advantage gambing profit maker in the midwest that I dont think anyone is working.
     
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  5. MrV

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    Was the banning really fair, and warranted?

    Debatable.

    "Also, I don't think Zuga was being dismissive with his "Meh" response. I really think that was a nice way of calling Eliot a nut-job."

    DJTB didn't call eliot a "nut-job;" he ascribed that thought to another.

    Clever lad, but not clever enough to escape the taste of the lash from the Guardian Of The Galaxy.
     
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  6. BUZZARD

    BUZZARD Active Member Lineage to Founders

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    YES DJ made an error. unintentional I believe. Not all posters are as eloquent as the following :

    I should avoid threads like this. But, Eliot has a point, albeit perhaps ineloquently framed. I estimate that I receive 25,000 SPAMs a year. I cannot use SPAM filters as there exist all too many false positives. Which is to say, I would miss real client e-mails. I also can’t change my e-mail addresses, as I receive all e-mails directed to my many domains. Besides, I want to receive e-mails about PMs or threads to which I have subscribed, which requires that one not use a throwaway e-mail. So, I have to slog through about 65-70 SPAMs a day. And, I am notified within one minute every time I receive an e-mail -- which interrupts my train of thought while I'm working on complex problems. Sometimes I get sloppy and delete a valid question about AP. Can you imagine the overall economic cost of all the people that have to deal with this, in addition to the billions spent by ISPs and companies like MS?

    I do send an e-mail to my very small list about once a year when I have some sort of announcement. But, I have never broadcasted to all the signup e-mails at the site I operate. Instead, I require people to find the signup page, and double opt-in. That is, they must request to be added to the list, I send an e-mail saying “is this really you”, and only add them to the list if there is a positive response – a double opt-in. (About 60% are rejected.) This is necessary as there exist jerks that add people to e-mail lists to piss them off. As an aside, I once asked a gay site why they were e-mailing me. They explained it was common practice for jerks to add e-mail addresses to gay sites as pranks. Unfortunate

    The point is, you really should use a double opt-in process. And, nearly all respectable mass e-mail services require this in their Terms of Service. (For good reason, as they could get banned from major ISPs.) Asking people to click a button in a SPAM e-mail to opt-out is not really useful, as the general advice is to never click such links. The reason is two-fold. 1.) It verifies that it is an active e-mail address, and they might add you to more lists. 2.) The link may be to a malevolent site that will install a Trojan or virus. Do not click on such links.

    Having said that, I am not ascribing any malevolence whatsoever to this site. I am merely saying that Elliot has a point that you might consider.
     
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  7. Mission146

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    I'd be thrilled to hear it, would you be kind enough to PM me?
     
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  8. Mission146

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    Maybe I should have put, 'I am Groot," as the reason for the suspension.

    Either way, the notion that Teliot is a nut job did not exist at all, in any stated way, prior to that post. In my view, that makes it close enough to a direct personal insult to be suspension worthy.
     
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    The rule: "Absolutely no personal insults. If you disagree with another forum member, politely attack the writing, not the writer. (Amended 2/23/14 to not allow personal insults at all. The previous policy was more lenient.)"

    The post: "Also, I don't think Zuga was being dismissive with his "Meh" response. I really think that was a nice way of calling Eliot a nut-job."

    There is no indication there that DJTB disagreed with eliot.

    Rather, he opined that he thought Zuga probably disagreed.

    As for "the notion that Teliot is a nut job did not exist at all, in any stated way, prior to that post:" I can think of one former WoV member, now banned, who would vehemently disagree.

    Whatever, it's all shits and giggles anyway.
     
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  10. oopsididitagain

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    The smarter and more-educated the person, the more foolish they appear by gambling. If you don't know who the sucker is then, it's every body.
     
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  11. oopsididitagain

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    Duplicate...
     
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  12. Mickey Crimm

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    I don't have the PM feature working on this site. So if you want to then email me at [removed]
     
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  13. Mickey Crimm

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    Mission, Admin just informed me that I do have PM priveleges. I'm on a working road trip right now but will PM you as I get the chance.
     
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  14. oopsididitagain

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    Yep. Sometimes you have to attack the person instead of the writer, even if it's the owner when he leads you bit by bit down the toilet. Such is gambling, bit by bit down the toilet. With the gamblers cheering on each bit. Just like Hitler and the Nazis. (Same fervor.)
     
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  15. redietz

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    Oops, I gotta take issue with that. I would use a specific designation of "gambling" if you're gonna say that. Gambling by itself is just a word that covers a wide range of disparate activities. If you want to say "casino gambling," that's a reach but okay. Or "blackjack gambling." But day trading is gambling, buying real estate is gambling, any kind of consumerism is really gambling, stock market investing is gambling, and so on. Is casino gambling so very different from these?

    And people do win. It's not a white crow search. Games of opinion are beatable. Blackjack is still, barely, beatable. Now can someone maintain discipline to stick with one subset? Rare, but can be done.
     
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    Teliot was suspended for three days, yesterday, from the WoV forum. Turn his username around to get toilet. He's the only guy there with any sort of real education as an academic. But a real "nut" in that he does it for the sake of it. He gave up his house in Vegas, his wife and kid left him, and on and on. Now he claims retired from international offers as a world-renowned AP for the life of playing fiddle(?) in a band, training elephants, and working as an actor in plays. Major league f-up. And the other leader of the WoV band, lol. Furthermore, I would venture to think that if he couldn't find something to beat with gambling, that there's no there there. No, stocks aren't a gamble for the masses with traders because the Kelly criterion works just fine over billions of transactions every day. Unlike gambling, the more training the better you will expect to do in all areas of life.
     
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    I remember, now, when Eliot Jacobson had his furniture listed at the WoV. Most of it was junk, and someone there commented as much. Another big fight broke out in Jacobson's head. He made a big thing of trying to donate what wasn't sold. One nutty thing after another, but Sir Babalot keeps him around because he has a doctorate in math.
     
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  18. freddy

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    The motley crew o WoV nut jobs and misfits truly deserve each other. The mathletes and wannabe game designers are the worst. If Zuga and Charlie Chan were to close the forum today it would not make one bit of difference to LCB's bottom line. Not one bit. They will soon have one million members. Same if they sent manboy packing when his tenure is up in September.

    After all, they still have the writer Brandon James. What more do they need? James...Brandon James. Undercover writer.
     
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    Now the munchkins want to be compensated for reading the proposed newsletter. As one member put it: "perhaps a giveaway or other enticement". Zuga likes the idea. Sure, throw them a few crumbs. No skin off his nose. Maybe one of the slaves/mods will win and finally get their due.

    Maybe Zuga can take the kids for ice cream or to Chuck e Cheese. Now that's an enticement!
     
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    I see teliot and V hand in hand again, and heading over to the "ice cream truck" on the "yellow brick road" as you speak.
     
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