Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Exactly.
I just posted that you have to read the room and know who you are threatening and who you are dealing with.

you dont fuck with the bosses nephew, mistress, childhood friend...even if you are right.

you cant go through life as naive as that....thinking threatening the boss and bashing the bosses friends will end well.

 

This is hilarious! Making a legal complaint to have the emails you posted removed. Is this guy a fucking moron or what! Glad to see admin basically tell him to get fucked! Do not give in kewlj! Your attorney is right in that the emails are your property to do what you want with.

Oh and please please post the latest deranged email!

Hey Norm why don't you send me a few emails as well you stinky old cunt! [email protected]

 

we know 2 things at least
shackelford will not post private emails...even if it shows KJ threatened him. Even if it helps him make a point.

Kewlj...will post private emails in order to make a point.

who has integrity and who doesnt

who is ruining his trustworthyness

 

Face was treading in these waters and I will wade in with him

KJ in is indeed melting away the goodwill he built up in the AP trade. It took him years to build it up.....and less time to at least partially tear it down.

Dont blame others.....its your reaction to their action that is making others loose their respect for you.

Keep it up....and no one will give a shit if a petty, crying, naive,narcissist is writing a book or offering help to beginner APs.

you are doing it all yourself

 

Often accused of exaggerating on WOV Usually by some pussy would would not say so to my face. Just in case any doubts my post about Dan Lubin on WOV


Paigowdan September 17, 2016 6:39 pm
I know! The weight goes up, the angina returns.

---------- ORIGINAL MESSAGE ----------

Dan, the camera makes some people look fatter. Keep that weight down, especially with past history.
Just a gentle reminder. Hope you take it that way.

Buzz

 

Yes Larrys, I miscalculated. There are tons of things I would have done differently regarding this situation. There are ton of things I would have done differently in life. I don't claim to be perfect. But I start off treating people fairly and with respect (until they do me wrong), and I expect the same in return. Especially from a respected fellow member of the AP community.

Michael plays the part of this fair, upstanding, respectable, yet goofy guy, a respected AP and AP/Gambling related site owner/administrator. And then he goes and pulls this. He literally conspired to ban, what he himself described as one of the top members of WoV, simply because this great math guy, that he looked up to, a non-member of the site, demanded it of him. And then he covered it up by lying. Lying to me. Lying to the WoV membership. Perhaps lying to himself, I don't know.

You can call me names LarryS. I would expect nothing less from you. But the fact is that I have been saying that Mike lied and told me different things in private than he was saying publicly. But it was my word against his. Some members believed me, some didn't. So I showed the proof.
There are some that will accept nothing less than that I am the bad guy in this scenario, despite the proof I have just shown. Mike's personal friend's are in that group. I suspect His fellow mods are as well, although neither has weighed in. You, too are in that group, for an entirely different reason. You are a KJ hater. You attack everything I do or say. That is fine....hater's hate. You seem to need that conflict in your life, as it seems you are always "yapping" at someone over something on some site. So do your thing.

ya know, BWC, if you are eager to communicate, Qfit's name, home address, email address and phone number are right there in his complaint. Open a line of communication with him. lol

 

I can't figure out the purpose of this post, Buzz??

But just out of curiosity, was Dan Lubin a heavy guy? I have seen some references about his weight. I saw a picture of him shortly after he passed, can't remember where, maybe that facebook link?? He didn't look like a heavy guy to me, but it was probably just a mid body/face pic. It also may have been a number of years old.

I have a partner/spouse that is the same age that Dan was. He is a big guy. Life long battle with weight. It doesn't help that some days at the buffet, he 'runs' directly to the dessert station, for his first course. I try not to be too critical, just express my concern.

It is hard for me to understand heavy people. They aren't stupid....surely they know, that most people in their late 70's and 80's aren't obese type people. The obese are the one's that didn't make it that far (generally). I know I can't relate, but I just think if I found myself significantly overweight, I would do something about it....for my own good. I know that is easier said than done and I am not trying to be judgmental as I suspect I am coming across. I just don't get it. If the doctor tells you to stop smoking....stop smoking. I you are overweight....lose weight. I mean jiminy crickets....give yourself a fighting chance.

 

I don't think you miscalculated at all. This guy is still playing dirty sending you unsolicited abusive emails so you need to play dirty back. Nothing wrong with posting those emails IMO, they are yours to what you want with. Maybe he will think twice about bothering you next time. Until then please keep posting them!


Not really interested in contact with him but hey, I might shoot him off a few emails for fun some time. I'll make sure I cc: you in!

 

there is always one person who wants to pat themselves on the back and say look at me...I warned him.

getting satisfaction from a death

 

I haven't caught completely up; sorry, but I couldn't.

KJ. Dude...

I seriously wish I could take you for a walk in the woods here and just disconnect.

I may have stated you were delusional before, or maybe I just thought it an Axel said it. In either case, that's not a charge or intended insult or, I would go so far to say, even an opinion. It's a simple fact...

"Delusion: an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument"

None of this, not one single thing I have said to you or about you is in any way, shape, or form me taking Michael's side over yours, the WoV's side over yours, the member's side over yours, GF's side over yours, or any side over yours. QFIT's opinion of you, Mike's opinion of you, they make no more difference to me than LarryS' opinion of you, Axel's, Mission's, whomever's.

KJ, I have a track record pretty much completely unblemished of playing it straight. I don't mean being perfect, and I don't mean being completely void of bias, but I do mean of at least being aware of bias, recusing when I feel it can't be overcome, or admitting when I've somehow fucked up. There is nothing more I can say about me to prove, and state yet again, that whatever I'm saying to you is purely motivated by my desire to see you reach your potential.

What the hell must I do to prove it? OK, you're sure Mike reads this forum, checks in, or is otherwise up to date, yes? Well, it looks by your submission of the PM's / emails, that everything you said was said was actually said. It looks, from an outsiders view, that the implication that Mike and Norm's relationship wasn't all that deep is indeed true, just as you said. It looks, from an outsiders view, that Mike either couldn't be bothered and took the easy way out to the detriment of a quality member, which is not cool, or was too weak to take the smallest of stands for someone who has raised the value of his commercial endeavor, which is also not cool. Me, my no-value opinion from what little I know of Mike is that as he does not do well with people, he tried what he thought would minimize the drama while also preventing himself being embroiled in it. I believe he hoped y'all would just "work it out". And when you didn't, he was then forced to chose between some temporary forum anger, or what seems to me a much more real threat of Norm's harassment / loss of whatever assumed benefit Norm provides. Or, maybe still, he was just being a cold as ice asshole who truly didn't give a shit.

Perhaps none of these are exactly correct, but I, myself, Face from WoV, do feel that SOME of it can only be correct. And if Mike questioned me on this, that's what I'd tell him. If Mike requested assistance, input, whatever, there it is. And as he apparently still reads here, now he knows exactly where I stand.

But KJ... when you boil this down, what you have left is an imperfect man. Who among us is not? And though we are here in the very nexus of WoV hate, contempt and derision, I challenge any one of them or you yourself to find where in this Wiz acted with malice. Seems to me that the very worst thing you can say about Mike is either A) he puts money before friend (and as this is online anonymous relationships we're talking, I would think that "A)" is assumed) or B) that the guy is a social klutzheimer. Based on three hundred and twenty fucking nine pages, it seems a good many here are going with B).

Yes, you lost something dear, and totally unfairly, I will add and agree. But what fucking vengeance is to be had, what act will sate it, and how fucking much will you pay for it? Dude, everyone here, EVERYONE, has just tossed a good advice dart your way. Even LarryS just hit you with the solid goodness, the EXACT ANSWER you need right now. Axel just did. And I know there was another but I couldn't resist posting any longer.

Please, man, take off the rage blinder for half a sec, read it, and then go walk in the woods. Fucking disconnect and just let that good idea roll around and get on ya. I say this as a brother, for real, as I'm doing the exact same thing as you are right now in my personal life. I don't say delusion as an insult, nor as a charge of mental illness. I'm saying it because your view on this situation is exactly it.

At least show me you see it. I can tell you I do it; remember my comment about being King of Pyrrhic Victories? It happens to me, too. But I can at least now recognize it. I can at least see and separate the emotional reaction from the logical one, and keep the emotional bit on the side. I can still feel as righteous as all get out, but reign it in and do the logical right thing to spare myself. Everything I've done when it comes to communicating with you is exactly this - to help you see it, too.

I beg of thee, in the words of philosopher T, "Chiggity check yo'self before you wreck yo'self". I sincerely hope something in here pops your shit back in gear. All this grindin' ain't no good for a man.

 

I was being sarcastic with the "open a line of communication". I am sure I will be accused of encouraging people to send Norm hate mail. I don't endorse or encourage anyone to send abusive emails or other correspondence to anyone.

 

So what. You sleep with the pigs...you get muddy.

Shackelford has a long history of treating people like shit. Its been detailed on here about dozens of people....most occurring well before it was your turn.
He suspended me without explanation where to this day no mod can give a good reason. He suspended people who were simply on the wrong side of an issue. He has treated posters with contempt..."dont let the door hit you"...He has treated his wife and women in general with disrespect. He claims he goes on suspending sprees when he is in a bad mood His kids treated with disrespect.....all before you were banned. So you were wronged? ///get in fucking line. What makes you so special that we need to see 100 posts by you about your case for a whole year. Over the last year there have been more mistreatment of people and you are oblivious to it.

And this is the dood who you thought was fair and kind...this is the dood you expected a fair shake from. Why are you so special.

I intended this thread to talk about why wov is dying......and the examples given by people here are poor treatment to OTHERS.....not myself.
Its not about me me me.

I am not shocked that me and others are treated like shit. I expose it here. I taLK MOSTLY ABOUT OTHERS .....current events. I dont harp on one incident form 2 years ago about me me me me.

While you were on WOV plenty of shit went down if you cared to read "discussion of the suspension list". But you had your head in the sand and didnt care about the mistreatment of your fellow neighbors. Discussion of the suspension list thread was the most active thread while you were an active emeber at wov. It was for years.It was always listed on the list of current posts. Its hard to miss unless you purposely dont give a shit about anyone else.

So your turn came. And for someone who wanted to return to wov...you handled it like shit.

So to sum up your plight.....you were treated like shit by shackleford like so many others were in various other ways.....and you miscalculated your response.

Case closed. We see that join the club....and now you can comment about mistreatment of others, keeping things current rather than your me me me droning on and on and on and on and on.

 

You know things are crazy when you have to ask an attorney what you can and can't post on a forum. Desperate times call for....

For the record, I never once said or indicated Mike didn't say the things KJ claimed or I didn't believe him. I have said it a few times it looks as if everyone was leaving stuff out and spinning things their way.

If you are going to post emails and PM's, don't cherry pick(I'm not saying you are) but post up everything or nothing, including anything you may have sent.

FYI, even after KJ sent THE email Mike said he would meet in person with KJ as long as it was civil. IMO things could have been resolved somehow with that meeting. I'm not sure why KJ didn't take him up on that offer.

There is something to be said about the ability move on and even forgive and forget.

You never know when you will be unable to count cards anymore, perhaps you have enough money to never have to worry about that. Right or wrong, It just seems like the more you drag this on the more support you lose from the community. It seems like you are becoming the bully and a vindictive person(Vindictive people are the worst, no one wants to be around one ) at least when it comes to Mike.

People are not learning or absorbing anything from you posts, they just start thinking you are a crazy man. I hope its self-theopoetic because it's not helping you in any other way. People will start seeing Mike as the victim(if they haven't already) and then eventually Norm and start sympathizing with them.

 

That reminds me, someone said you lived close to him. I'm not so sure, I think the letters and cards you have sent or plan on sending to his house are going to his old address.

 

"I think you know why"

Had you PMed or emailed him about the situation, he probably would have told you that you were one of his most valuable posters as well.

You got to let people down easy.

 

that goes along with
even a broken clock is right twice a day
even a blind squirrel occasionally finds an acorn
Even a mentally challenged child can get a jeopardy answer correct

 

I didn't mean it like "Even LarryS sees it and he's an idiot", what I meant was "Even those who you think have nothing good to say about you are giving you the exact help you need."

 

Fisk, Fisk, Fisk. That was quite a post. Some good, bad and ugly. And parts I don't even get....zoom, right over my head.

Naturally, I liked the part where you, stepped back and took what appears to be a completely objective look, based on the facts and now 'evidence'. While I am sure you don't approve of me posting private communications, hopefully you saw why it was necessary.

I want to address the "malice" comment. No I do not think Mike woke up one morning and said, I want to hurt KJ. What can I do to really screw him over. I never implied anything of the sort. But the absence of 'malice' don't absolve him of wrong-doing. When someone is killed, just because there was no malice or intent, doesn't make that person any less dead.

In this case, Mike chose a path, a way he was going to handle the situation and it lead to me being hurt and angry. And once he realized that, he had a choice, to re-evaluate his decision, which I know that he knew was wrong, because he told me. He should have re-evaluated and fixed his wrong-doing. I gave him every chance to do so. Nudged him, appealed to his sense of fairness and right and wrong, which unlike another party in this situation, I believe Mike has. I contacted him privately, opening every avenue of communication that I could think of, including the U.S. Mail. I went as far as to attempt to shame him. And yes, I even threatened him....just as Norm had done.

Mine was a soft threat, or was at least intended as a soft threat, meaning just a warning that there would be consequences from me as well, just as he indicated Norm would attack him, if he went the other way. Perhaps Mike, and even some others here, didn't quite take the threat in the soft manner that I intended. That is probably on me. I always say I am not a good communicator. But the bottom line is that I really did try to give him every opportunity to fix what he knew and acknowledged was wrong.....for more than a year, I gave him every opportunity. He just refused. He couldn't bring himself to acknowledge publicly that he handled this poorly and wanted to fix it. I get the feeling he though people would look down on him, when I believe the opposite is true.

So Mike is imperfect....no kidding. Yes we all are. I can deal with that. But that doesn't account for his refusal to fix what he knew was wrong. Neither do these excuses about him being socially awkward or a social "klutzheimer", as you put it. That just doesn't fly. He acknowledged that he handled it poorly, invented a solution that favored Norm, and treated me unfairly. When that occurs you stand up and fix it. I can not accept that he was unwilling to do so, and continues to be unwilling to do so, even at this late point.

And while I suspect this isn't the response you wanted, because I am not going to touch on the other subject matter that I have no idea what you are talking about, I again want to say, how much I appreciate and respect your objectively taking look at the situation and offering your opinion. Much more than I got from Mike's friend's a couple of my fellow AP's. Axel tried to defend Mike by bringing up some negative issues from my past, that had nothing to do with anything. Just a counter attack, to deflect from the one he wanted to defend. RS was even weaker. He refused to accept the evidence staring him in the face and just fired back with a personal attack. I didn't really expect anything less. Well maybe I did. Maybe I expected some sort of objectivity. Admitting Mike was wrong, handled this wrong, 'caved' to pressure by the great manipulator, isn't a betrayal of your friendship. But whatever.

 

And what the hells are these "woods" that you speak of? You mean out in the desert where the cacti grow?

 

I said I would never post here again, but hey I'm a liar according to these fucks running this place who now admit they are foreign which makes them even worse.

Couple things, to KJ if you look close your first name is used by Mike in an email you posted. I never knew your first name and assuming it is correct, why risk giving casinos any other chance to identify you? I get your obsessed with this but don't let it mess with your livelihood.

And for anyone who thought this site was based in Florida, they use a "MyUS" address in Sarasota which is used by legitimate companies and scammers to make potential customers believe they are in the US. Which it seems is a good thing until you are threatened with legal action. Then claim you are not subject to US laws.

And yea, welcome back Larry. You make the place more interesting even if it helps these fucks (or fuck) find a way to profit from hits.

And finally, damn these Roulette guys on here arguing about who has the better system makes KJ seem logical.