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If he moved recently, and moved away from the address posted online, then perhaps I don't live close to him. I live close to Suncoast. I thought he did too. I have seen him there. But I am not trying to stalk, him. I would never walk up to his door and ring the bell. I was uncomfortable mailing two different correspondences to his house. I only did so because I wanted to exhaust every opportunity to keep an avenue of communication open. I even went as far as to try to communicate through you....a complete jackass, who can's stop making jokes about everything long enough to take something seriously. EVERYTHING in live isn't a joke, Axelwolf!

 

That's disappointing, but whatever. Prior to my participation at WoV, I used a handle that had my first name in it. (I am not the brightest bulb in the pack). Partway through my participation at Norm's site, I asked Norm to shorten it and have used KewlJ or KJ since. But I am sure the damage is done. A lot of members of the community know my name first and Last and likely so do some casino people. All I am doing now is hopefully, not advertising it to any new casino people and if I just did....that's unfortunate.

 

Meaning in that general vicinity. I don't live a block away or anything. But walking distance, I guess.

Steven Wright: "Everywhere is walking distance if you have enough time."

 

I'm surprised you never met the Wiz.

You live in the same town, you're both AP's, and for years you were a regular contributor.

Why didn't you go to a WoVCon, for example?

 

I think I'll hang this on Mike as well. What a F-up this guy is! THERE's your malice, Fisk.

 

Geez......you got zero from Face.

I am starting to think you are like a substance abuser. You can tell a drug addict or alcoholic that they are fucking themselves, you can tell them that they are on a spiral to ruin their lives and reputation....and they will chirp back that you dont know what you are talking about, its all under control and its not bad at all....life is good....its not their problem..its your problem. They honestly dont see a "a problem". They dont see the freight train coming.
then one day a sentinal event occurs that makes the person..on their own say....fuck.....what am i doing. An event that snaps them to attention where they see a bad result looming....and on their own they make the change.

KewlJ doesnt see the train coming. He will continue to defend himself like a madman until the "event" occurs to snap him out of it. Even after a full year he feels the need to me me me himself some more. Nothing me, face, axel has to say will make any difference. He has an addictive compulsion to see this through. He has illogical fantasies that the guy he has threatened and bashed for a year will go through arbitration with him. He is delusional....but face, axel and myself cannot offer advice that will successfully melt away the delusion.

KJ obviously goes to sleep at night thinking that if he posts just one more private message ,,,,the masses will align behind him and a path to acceptance on wov will form...with shackleford waiting with a written apology in hand.

I personally believe EVERYTHING Kj says about his history with the wiz. I dont need to see any more private messages or screen prints. I dont need "evidence". Its quite alright

He thinks the fact that he is shunned by wov and many of its members that once backed him must be because of lack of evidence.

No its because of too much evidence. YOU MAKE YOURSELF LOOK CRAZY.

THE TRIAL IS OVER

All the evidence was presented and you lost.

Now all you have to do is acknowledge the fact. Stay on this thread and talk about some current events ,,,,NOT THE OLD NEWS OF YOURSELF.

 

Listen, I have said what i have to say on this topic. Axel and face have been eloquent in their analysis of this behavior.

Carry on KJ.....it will take an event like an AP seeing you at a casino and referring to you as a petty, narcissistic, vindictive delusional prima dona as he introduces you to his wife....to maybe make you snap out of it.
By that time your reputation would have deteriorated even more.

I wouldnt be surprised if APs who once viewed you as "professional" in your demeanor currently talk about you over a beer and dinner at the casinos and laugh at what you have become...or perhaps always were.

Some event will present itself. Until then, like a substance abuser you can be in denial

This thread is your canvas......continue to expose yourself

My advice has run out.

rock bottom cant be far away

 

I have seen Wizard at least twice at casinos, probably more before I knew who he was. I didn't approach him either time because I don't do that.

I don't attend big gatherings of AP's. For one, I am a little bit socially awkward as well. I don't like any kind of gathering of more than a handful of people that I don't know. I mean, I am not weird or anything, I just get quiet and uncomfortable. I believe a lot of AP's, particularly card counter's, and particularly the solo type CCer's have this trait. We are loner's by nature.

BUT mostly....I don't trust many people. Las Vegas may have what close to 2 million people, but in reality, Vegas is a small town community, especially the gaming aspect. Almost everybody has a family member, friend, or knows someone that works in the gaming industry. And although I have a very close friend, who works in the Industry, generally, AP's and Industry people don't mix well. And you never know who is going to flip teams. That isn't a shot at anyone in particular, there are many AP's who have worked the other side at one point or another. Probably less so for machine type guys, but for card counters, interacting with large gathering of AP's is just not conducive to longevity and that remains my top priority.

On the first site that I participated on, BJinfo, they had a BJ Bash, later AP bash every year. A gathering of members at a casino for a weekend. The guy that organized it lived in Michigan and that's where it was held...at one of the Indian Casinos in Upstate Michigan. I liked a lot of members on that site. Learned a great deal from many, as it was the early part of my career. I almost attended a couple times, but each time, changed my mind at the end. Something just told me this wasn't right.

A couple years later, I come to find out, well rumors anyway, that the guy who organized it, was working with the casino involved. It turns out these AP's lost more than they won and rumor is this guy, a Native American, BTW, got a kickback on the action.

Bottom line, for a solo type card counter, it really is you vs the casino industry. It is safe to network online, but IMO, personal meetups with more than a couple AP's that you know well is dangerous. I always weigh things in terms of risk vs reward and IMO, the risk outweighs the reward.

Similarly, BJ21 has a green chip party every year. Vetting is a little tighter, but still, a large group of AP's. You don't know who is going to pull an Eliot and flip. Stanford Wong himself (former owner of BJ21) did some work for the casino industry. So twice I wanted to attend, as each time there was a long-time Member that I though a great deal of that was in failing health and it was generally known this would be his last event. Each time, I backed out at the end. I am sure, my loss, but I stick to my gut feeling.

 

Larry, you are a retired ball-washer, not a mental health professional. Save you dime-store analysis for someone who cares. Why is it that every nit wit that has someone that doesn't agree with them or see the world as they do, thinks they are qualified or have the right to diagnose mental disorders. I can assure you I am well adjusted and quite happy with life. I am just unwilling to let someone mistreat me and walk all over me, without calling them out and fighting back.

I would tell you to go to Hell Larry, but I think you are already there. I believe you are the unhappiest, miserable person I have encountered. You are dissatisfied with your life, so you belittle others.

 

you made my point quite nicely.

I heard something like that from another member of this thread once.

So I am not discouraged

you will eventually find your way also either before or after its too late.

 

Ugh. No emoticon makes me think this isn't a joke. And if it's not a joke, I have to point out the following - You "think you'll hang it on Mike." You ascribe malice to the action of using your real name and declare that it was an intentional act of Mike's.

Yet, if you look, you'll see that your name was featured in an email, which I assume was only to you, and YOU are the one who chose to post it in a public forum full of people who, by your interpretation, are not on your side.

"an idiosyncratic belief or impression that is firmly maintained despite being contradicted by what is generally accepted as reality or rational argument"

You are holding beliefs that fly in the face of easily accepted rational arguments. It appears I have your respect again; it doesn't matter if I say it. You are losing / have lost respect for your AP friends; it doesn't matter if they say it. I'm sure there's no love lost between you and the anti-WoV'ers; it doesn't matter if they say it.

This is delusional thinking. Again, it's not an insult or a diagnosis, I'd not be so forward. I'm simply trying to show that you have an undeniable break in your logic that every single other person sees. It doesn't mean you roll over, doesn't mean you quit, or whatever Really Bad Thing you think we're encouraging you to do. What it does mean is what you're doing cannot be done as it's broken. It does not compute. It means that while you try to make yourself feel better, you're causing everyone else to turn on you.

It also concerns me to see your relief / joy that I agreed with you. KJ, these emails ain't no revelation. I took you pretty much at your word since the jump. I certainly was more quiet in the beginning, and certainly did qualify much of my earlier posts with the "two's sides to every story" clause, but I STARTED from the position that you were being done wrong. I said it, all about the hate site shit, I explained everything from the moment it began. And since then, I've only came more and more to the side that you had been fucked over. Even after you withheld a few points in an apparent attempt to sway things your way, I never varied from that stance. And I will go on record saying that I 100% believe that every one of those AP friends of yours that you feel have done you wrong ALSO believe you got fucked over and out. I would bet, and I'm no gambler, that whatever insensitivity you perceive from them has nothing to do with their opinion on the matter, which I believe is on your side, but with your handling of it since then, because, as I've shown, THE LOGIC IS BROKEN.

If, still, not a bit of this is sinking in, then fuck all the difficulty of reading others and just look inward. That's why I brought up death-gate in the first place. You realized, with hindsight, that you handled that like shit. That experience HAS TO HAVE given you something you can reflect on and see right now. I mean, dude... YOU just posted your real name. Just you, only you. And yeah, from your side, this is old news that you went through years ago. Guess what? I ain't knew what your name was. And I was, at one point, at SpecOp level of game protection, at least in my little corner of the world. And I broke bread with Zender, and teliot, and Allison, the guy who runs OSN, every name you've heard of, I had a contact to. It would take nothing, maybe a whole hour but certainly within a day, to find out everything about you and funnel it right to the bad guys, were I so inclined (I'm not, and never have been with anyone, but who's to say of lurkers). To say nothing of the handful of skumsluts who now your name and the street you live on...

Your vengeance is clouding your judgement.



The woods, by the way, is a beautiful realm where everything is always right. You can pull up on a mossy spot under some pines overlooking a pond and just sit and be for awhile. With a friend, interesting conversation may pop up, usually about something seemingly mundane, like a water strider. Perhaps that will bring your attention to the surfacing fish, or chorus of mating frogs. And little by little, the din of nature sort of sorts out as civilization falls away. It's no longer raucous chirping, but you can hear a certain type call and its same type answer from afar. You may begin to find wonder in all you begin to perceive and the life that surrounds you. You might begin to think about how that birch got there, or why that hill is shaped that way, or what that little trickle by your foot is going to turn into in half a million years. Maybe you'll think of not what it will be but what it was, back when at least my parts where covered in ice. Maybe you'll think all the way back to how it all got started. Maybe, even, what your purpose is here. If you're really lucky and try a bit, maybe you'll decide what your purpose will be. But one thing is for sure, you wouldn't be wasting time in the woods fuming about some anonymous internet fucking bullshit that is but a fraction of a percent of who KewlJ the real person really is.

 

Fisk, It WAS a freaking Joke! I though it was soooo obvious that an emoticon wasn't necessary. I guess that was my bad.

If (and apparently I was) careless enough to post a message that revealed my first name, how could I possible blame anyone but myself?


......although that wizard...he was likely behind it some how, some sort of subliminal type deal. (<- A Joke)

 

And I don't mean to harp; hopefully this will be my last. But I have that feeling that I'm almost about to ask the question I need to but can't find yet, and that if I just keep pushing, you're gonna give me an answer I can use. So, with apologies, a last bit of pushing...

It doesn't make them less dead, however, there are certainly scales used to differentiate "malice" vs what in this case would be more like "negligence", and I think that applies. Honestly, I feel by their words and actions that most here agree. In simple terms, that you're going for a Murder1 result from an Involuntary Manslaughter event.

You even separated it yourself. You did so to make a point, that is was tit for tat, and that alone is not easily arguable. But when combined with the fact that whose steps you are following are QFIT's, and you've used QFIT's behavior as the keystone of why his side should lose, only one blinded could miss the obvious error here.

If you are going to copy a behavior that you declare wrong, then either the behavior works in your favor thereby proving you wrong, or the behavior fails and takes you with it. Fuck, and I wish I had the education to be able to tell you in much simpler terms what this type of argument was considered. Just read it again, and think on it awhile. Yours is a failed stance from the jump. It is unwinnable any way you slice it. This, not any loyalty to Mike, is what fuels my effort to get you to stop it. I suspect it is the same for others.

 

the fact that you have presented yourself as a crazy person obviously made him(face) believe the worst.

you are consumed with this...and there doesnt seem to be room for humor

 

Ball washers are an asset to society. We provide a service. We make people happy.
Unlike APS that have no value to society

I am proud of my long service to society washing balls. I look back and know I made a difference in the lives of people.

my clients will remember me fondly

What the fuck do you as an AP do for society as part of your job.

you are not even close to having the value to society as a ball washer.

Its a me me me trade being an AP.

So you can demean my profession...but I feel its out of jealousy.

There will be a convention of professional certified ball washers in july in vegas. Come say hi.

 

OK, I do feel a little better now. And I am sorry if that seemed so far in left field as to be offensive =)

But KJ, please know that my taking your joke seriously is because this issue with Wiz seems exactly as transparent the joke. I feel everything wrong with it and everything that should be done about it is soooo obvious that even 10 posts about it weren't necessary, but here we are.

I dunno. If you're happy, then I'm.

But if there's something in you that knows this ain't the right path but you just CAN'T let it go, and you'd not mind a critiquing session of shit being tossed at you hand over fist to see if a better way sticks, I suppose I'm about as easy to PM as anyone.

 

FYP.

GD it, LarryS...

 

So does a prostitute.

I make money. This allows me to be a consumer, contributing to the livelihood of hundreds, probably thousands of people.

 

yeah everyone who has a job that has a positive value to society also makes money and spends it.

as a ball washer I provided a service to society. I got paid a handsome wage, paid taxes from it....and was a consumer.

Tell us all how the AP serves society..is of value to society....outside the me me me value to yourself

you demean ball washers yet ball washers are of infinate greater value to society than the self absorbed Ap trade

maybe before demeaning my profession....you should examine your glass house.

 

yes prostitutes serve society well. They are well regulated and are well remembered by their clients. Just like ball washers.

prostitutes look down on APs as far a value to society