Roulette Vaddis Holy Grail

OK, fine what I am getting at, only, is betting flat till hit = minimized volatility, then press a bit, if necessary .. to pick up the speed of the game, usually the hit after that &or closing hit = pushing a bit.

If you look at those high-volatility zig-zags at the end, I see no point progressing at all vertically, at least not to secure the first press hit perhaps even the second .. as the hit will bring you at the ≈same exposition amount if not progressing, & otherwise having no-hit, generate as little possible exposition .. in essence, not digging a hole, will result in fewer hits required to profit when those hits come close by, the variance returning temporarily in favor, & very importantly minimize the size of drawdowns;

as you may appreciate, I said flat→press, just to be clear.
(eg. till hit→on hit ..... 1→1.5, 1→1→1.5, maybe closing hit 1→2)


Anyway, just a suggestion ...

 

Thanks, any constructive input is very much appreciated. I completely understand this reasoning.
With some other methods, I do use flat bet -> hit -> press / positive progression on a hit. I'm just saying that with this specific system, the problem is more with BS than with MM applied. Playing virtually all numbers won't work. Reducing the number of bets and therefore whole exposition in terms of units in play = minimizing drawdowns.
But that's a whole different discussion

 

Hey, has anyone cracked Vaddi's holy grail hints?

This quieted down rather too quickly.

I am asking because, I have just discovered it. It has been a few days now but I still cannot believe it actually exists.

I tried posting to the very original post on that other roulette forum but it is taking forever to approve.

I am interested to know if someone else had already cracked it.

Cheers

 

Hello.
I'm glad someone else has figured it out, but beware, there are people who claim to know how it works and they really do, exactly as happened with dyksexlic.
My way of understanding, was similar to the people in the forum, until I understood, that really nobody had achieved it and working hard and alone, I ended up discovering the real ways, nothing to do with what was talked about in the forum.
If you want to talk, contact me.

Passion Roulette 2024

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Ou! Unexpected, lol! That anyone else was actually doing this. I spent five years doing only tests about Vaddy, because I never doubted what he wrote about. Damn it, I even correspond with him a couple of times. I didn't look for different forums and stuff. Because I knew that this was all I needed to do. But then somehow I decided to find some forum with Vaddy, other than the original one, which no longer worked.
And somehow I ended up on this forum, after looking around for a bit and not seeing anything special here, I left. But for some reason, the next day I was drawn to go to this forum again, and then I found exactly this thread. Having looked now at what was there, I even defended myself for Sergio, who was also there then, and appeared here again, and especially now, lol.
But no one here talked about this. But I found Turbo thanks to this thread. And overall I'm glad because the understanding of randomness he provided much more exploration and insight than Vaddy had. Although I have not yet discovered a winning method.
However, recently I have again had the opportunity to put my best effort into the tests, since the last time Denzy, Hal and Nimo appeared and give a lot of inspiration and suggested, I was again vulnerable to my illness, and could not then test, and missed this moment. But over the past couple of months, I’ve been studying and testing again almost every day.
What I mean by this is that all these last years of testing Turbo and especially the last couple of months, I was always testing something with Vaddy's ideas in parallel, because the more I learned about the ideas of Turbo and randomness, the more I saw, how strongly it nevertheless intersects with Vaddy's ideas. But as Turbo himself, as well as Sergio and others, said, there is one foundation, and around it many different systems are built. I'm just surprised this thread came up here again, lol.

So, did you decide to write about this to show off and draw attention to yourself, or you will give to us some hints on what to pay attention to?

 

Hey, not at all. I am really just interested in knowing who else has it because it is quite dangerous - if this were to reach many people, casinos will alter the game drastically, possibly even reduce payouts. I will never ever share it or play mind games online. Although I think that Vaddi (well, at least according to his hints) didn't quite go fully scientific with it but he gave away a lot, by a lot I really mean a hell lot. The solution is very very elegant and logical in every sense but it is not easy to think along those realms especially if you never took time on your own to do the research, particularly 'random'. I think anyone studying roulette, it is between two realms: Fundamental or Technical. It is either you study the fundamentals of the physics of the wheel and device those VB/Computers etc. OR you study the technical side, the data, how any 37 pocket wheel would create random sequences and how it mixes up the numbers.

I have been studying roulette for about 6 years now.

I actually didn't find Vaddi's post until I was almost done with my studies of roulette. I was merely going through the internet to see if anyone else understood what I was discovering. I was shocked to learn the striking similarities between my findings and hints posted by Vaddi. More especially the mathematical aspects of it. When I study I like to make sense of what I see and will never move on until I can explain it mathematically or otherwise. The way Vaddi explains, idk if he's aware that the grail is more expansive than he made it sound. That is why I say sometimes it sounded like he probably stumbled upon it and didn't study it scientifically. But yes it does exist. And it can literally make millions, but we both know the casinos won't let you.

 

I haven't quite had time to go through the entire post yet, let alone the original. Keep on going, from the sound of it you're almost there. As long as you understand the basis of 'random' then yes its very expansive and you can make up many systems as you like. They will remain profitable just as long as they're rooted in the understanding of random as Vaddi hinted.

 

Oh btw it works for pockets too. The distance the ball travels from one number to the other. You can apply it there too because it behaves the same. i.e. in 37 spins you get roughly 24 pockets shown, roughly 12 once and roughly 12 more than once. I have confirmed this with tests.
I can be helpful to anyone who wishes but I will never ever fully disclose it and I am sorry for that. Once you discover/understand it on your own, you won't have to play & win to feel the euphoria. I don't want to take that away from you. And it is so super simple man, but hard to arrive there (I reiterate). And it makes money. It's tough to risk sharing or even selling it. We don't know yet what Casinos may do if numbers of people start using it against them.

 

i feel its more people own fear. People live across the world. The odds we are in same casino same time are almost none. There will always be more loosers so it will not make casinos go bankrupts. Especially with table limits

 

8 numbers always hit yes within that timeframe, but it doesnt mean profit

 

Well, I agree with you here! It’s not worth sharing this, especially since you confirm what Vaddy said about it, what it could lead to! I immediately recognized this, and I never asked to give it openly, even to him. But nevertheless, I did not ask you to divulge this, because I understand the importance of this, but there may only be some hints for independent research, something that I cannot see. But in general, I fully understand that you can’t say everything, so maybe it’s not worth it.
It’s still very nice to exchange a few words about this with someone, because all these years there was no one))

Well, of course, it’s very interesting again when you write something like Vaddy did, about the fact that there is some fundamental physics of the wheel. I came to technical analysis thanks to Turbo (sorry if you don’t know about him), I will write about it later, but as for the physics of the wheel, I only read this from Vaddy. And I was always interested in what it really is and why he mentions it repeatedly. I remember almost all of his text by heart, because I reread and studied it hundreds and hundreds of times.
And as for physics, I remember how he wrote that it is necessary to test on real wheels, because the RNG can produce an asymmetric reset of numbers. Of course, I tried to find out what kind of symmetry this is that needs to be adhered to, because he also understood that everything in roulette has a mirror and reflection (essentially symmetry, as I understand it). And this is not here, but on the original version of the forum, there was at least one who found it, and there was also one who mocked it. And the one who mocked him wrote the famous phrase that it’s all smoke and mirrors. Both Vaddy and the guy who found it laughed back. Years later, I only realized that most likely that scoffer most likely wrote some kind of truth, rather than ridicule. However, I have never been successful in this understanding of symmetry.

Well why? He wrote that he sees and believes that there is much more than one version of the Grail. So much more that everyone can have their own. Well, I also don’t think he stumbled upon this by accident. Since I studied everything and anything about him, he came to that original forum with one idea. As far as I remember, there was something like that he proposed to test a certain system, which was based on the fact that after 34 spins he proposed to bet on numbers that had not yet appeared within the next 2 or three spins. And a couple of variations of this. I think it is clear that this was due to the 2/3 law. Then he was gone for a year. A year later he came and posted these clues about the Grail. And after that he did not appear. Unfortunately, I only found out about this thread a year later, when he was no longer there. In general, what I'm saying is that I think he didn't just stumble upon this, but studied it enough.

Regarding what you say that Waddy hinted about randomness, I unfortunately do not agree. Perhaps you already have an understanding of roulette and randomness and saw that Waddy gives hints about randomness, but I didn’t even think about randomness when I studied Waddy for years. Perhaps my meager brain did not understand this. As I wrote, thanks to this post I stayed on this forum, which I am glad about, because it led to at least some study of randomness thanks to Turbogenius. I apologize again if you are not familiar with him, but it was thanks to him that I began to understand at least something about randomness and how it behaves, and most importantly, the opportunity to test and study it. Although I haven’t fully understood it yet to use it. But in all this, I later saw the similarity with Vaddy. More precisely, not what he proposed, but the basis. And at the same time I tried and am trying to apply this to the Vaddy method. In short, the basis is repeaters, on the basis of which I tested the winning method. However, every time, because of the average values, I am convinced that when these average values expand, the repeaters may not fall out for a long time, and then I understand that there are just not enough of these same singles, that is, sleepers, for which you need to install it in parallel in order to use both at the same time, as I understand it.

But honestly, all I know now is not from Vaddy. I tested it so much, a lot, but I still didn’t have an understanding, just like now. The only thing that really impressed me then, what I discovered, and now I’m trying to test something on this basis too, is what concerns the wheel. When I started studying the wheel, and not just the table, at one point I discovered an imbalance in the repeters on the wheel for 37 spins.
Those. What I want to say is that for 37 spins on the table we always have on average 12 repetitions, and also on average 6 repetitions from one half of the table and 6 repeats from the other. Not ideally 6, but plus or minus 1 or two. But if you look at the wheel, then along the wheel for the same 37 rotations, there are also 12 repetitions in total on average, but on one side of the wheel there will generally always be more repetitions, and on the other less. Moreover, the average ratio is 1 to 2. That is. In this case there are 8 repetitions on one side and 4 on the other.
This amazed me, because these halves of the wheels are very easy to read on the table, I think you know this very well, that the left side is small red and large black, and the right is the opposite. And accordingly, I came to the conclusion that even if you just take 8 numbers, as Waddy described, but only on one side of the wheel, but provided that you know which side will have more repetitions, then you choose numbers only from the 18 numbers on one side wheels, and overall success is always guaranteed. However, I still haven't been able to figure out how to figure out which side will get more repeters.
Sorry for writing so much, but if I may, I would like to ask if this last thing about the imbalance of repetitions on the wheel makes sense or should I not waste time on this and look in a different direction?
And second, if possible, could you suggest me, whether sleepers are really important?
Thanks.

 

Hello, Platton!

I understand perfectly everything you are saying because I was also there a long time ago, but I have to tell you that what you have seen is very basic and it is only a small part of the knowledge of what happens in roulette.
I invite you to make much more effort and try to go much deeper, you will see that later everything can be simplified to such a degree that it will seem funny to you, not having realized it before, but it is a process that you have to go through if you want to understand how Vaddis does it.
A long time ago, I also had several email exchanges with him, where he told me that he had created a much more stable game, with 16+1 numbers, since the game streaks with 8 numbers bet, sometimes could be long.
He also said that this setting of 16+1 numbers was also because the 8 number bet was easier to detect and the 17 number bet seemed to be a more random bet where he could hide more the way to win.
On the other hand, he told me that he was creating a software, but after several years, he never answered me again.
I can even show the messages I exchanged with him, although I already did with some forum members who did not believe me.

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The good thing about the vaddis system, although it is not the only system to win, is that it has very clear and easy to use guidelines, it does not require any control with pen and paper, everything can be done mentally because it is really easy.
I will also tell you that I have used it many times in real casinos and it works perfectly, although of course there are better and worse sessions, in the sense of time.
But it is true that online, it seems that you can win and there comes a time when it becomes very complicated, but as I say, if you are astute, you can use different variants with different games and win the same.

 

I don't mind at all, Platton. Although I will apologize in advance for not being able to reply to all but I will try.

From your initial reply, I think you're the first or second to reply. Hey btw Sergio has it, doesn't he? I tried replying to his reply but I get a "wait for approval" yellow box. Anyway sorry, I digress. From your initial reply I got a sense that you know exactly where you are in your research. I could say that maybe you're looking too much for inspiration than searching for understanding of your own. When i saw Vaddi's post I felt glad to have seen it belatedly or else I wouldn't have aimed to create my own understanding but to crack his clues instead. See, dive deep into it and for every finding, ask yourself relevant questions in order to understand why and how this and that happen. Just pick a balanced roulette wheel, take the data. Vaddi already laid the foundations, in 37 spins you get 12 numbers hit once, 12 repeaters, 13 sleepers. The first thing to do is go ahead and confirm this by taking as many spins as you can and see if this is ALWAYS true. And when you see that it is true begin asking yourself but how, why? Who's this roulette 'god' making sure of this and how does he do it, consistently?

You won't believe how simple a logic it carries bro. It is so simple, I am not done with my studies yet but I bet I could tell you exactly how to play it in like three or four sentences. Yes, you won't understand how it works but it is just that easy to implement. Once you understand it, it feels like it has always been 'this obvious', its crazy I don't know how to explain it.

I apologize too for not being clear, I went through Vaddi's initial hints and maybe a fair few number of replies but I am remotely familiar with any online forum. I only remember Vaddi because his post matched exactly what I was aiming to find online.

And oh I was just taking a guess. I also considered that Vaddi probably toned it down so he doesn't give away too much.
But man, I went fully mad scientist on it, I tested almost every possible betting decision there is concerning that logic I mentioned. For every single "number of pockets covered". I tested them all, for repeaters, for sleepers, for anything imaginable in that realm of thought. I made sure I miss nothing.

 

Fair point Mansi and I considered that too. But what if many of us have it, it will continue to spread. And once more than enough people have it, beside those who will obviously abuse it but when many people's accounts begin going green forever and every profitable account is playing more or less the same profitable decisions then I don't think it will be difficult for them to introduce more strict and targeted counter measures. Even at this point I think reducing payouts would be a last resort, to think of it there are much easier ways to bring a stop to it. The same way they monitor wheels today to keep them balanced b/c in the past people could take advantage of bias. Although I have to admit I am glad they balance their wheels b/c that's what's making this work so well, I like to believe.

 

[REPLY TO SERGIO:]
Oh no, my biggest fear, so the casinos kick you out once they recognize the 'holy' numbers? I am planning to device a neighbor betting strategy based on this. I am not even a tat doubtful the casinos know of this, so they kick anyone out who plays it?

I have played and won considerably in the past - not using this system. But they never gave me a problem.

There are so many variations, Lord. I wonder how many people in the world know of it. Oh I read someone mention that it may work only on table real wheel. I have tested on Evolution RNG wheels, it works there too. Real wheels too of course. Just as long as the wheel is balanced, no obvious bias and it produces those stats in 37 spins: roughly 24 shown: roughly 12 repeaters.

 

Yes, absolutely. You may choose to play repeaters only and then hit a drawdown, only later to realize that the drawdown was due to sleepers being hit, rapidly. But its a dance often times involving both repeaters and sleepers. Remember most times out of 37 spins, they appear in equal number obviously bar very rare occasion. Like doesn't that bother you though? As a roulette student, do you sleep well knowing that perhaps over 90% of all 37 spin cycles (of a balanced wheel), the average number of sleepers are as equal as repeaters, exactly 12 & you still haven't figured how. Don't you hit your head wanting to know how it maintains such a balance? A random game but yet it shows evidence of balance. Aren't you eager to find out how in the world almost all 37 spins cycles of all balanced wheels you will ever encounter has to have even at least one repeat? It is a thing of sorcery, if you ask me. So a dance of balance between the two is key but you may choose to play the one or the other.

There are many variations to this, as Sergio alluded. For instance I have found other variations where you can play one or the other(not both) and still cover more than 7/8 numbers. Like I said I went ballistic by testing almost every betting decision, so I can see many other areas of potential exploit.

 

My question to you is very simple?
How many numbers do you need to see in order to place your bets?

 

Only one. If I understand clearly. According to my tests it may actually be better to even wait for more.

 

So there are four bet selection tables I created to analyze & they all show cumulative bets for each bet selection.
1. Consecutive Repeaters
2. Consecutive Sleepers.
3. Opposite of #1 for Sleepers.
4. Opposite of #2 for Repeaters.

These tables include all possible bets for covering whatever number of 'pockets' covered. I will now show a graphic, although I won't tell you which column or row belong to what spectrum of the bets but I will show only two tables, the other tables reveal more or less the same things.



This is Consecutive Repeaters table and it shows cumulative units for various bets, There's an area of potential exploit highlighted even when covering more than 7/8 numbers for repeaters only. I doubt though that every wheel exhibits this behavior, others may fall heavily on sleepers. It is just a guess at this point, I haven't confirmed it.



These are cumulative units of the opposite bets of the first table. Therefore, it plays sleepers. The highlighted area shows the sweet spots. That highlighted area gives around 33 000 units, this is sleepers only. I tested just over 120 000 spins and the sleepers alone in that sweet spot gives 33k units. The other two tables are basically opposite of these two and they show more or less the same. Repeaters too show profits in around the same sweet spot on the relevant/corresponding table.

Btw just playing consecutive repeaters covering those specific bets (highlighted area) and using a positive progression you can literally bankrupt any casino if there were no betting limits. Vaddi included money management tips in his hints as well. You won't need that once you've seen all the possible bet selections.

On top of what Vaddi already gave away. Which is a hell lot, life-changing information just for free.
I feel that I, also have now given away waaaay too much and even provided proof. I have given you an unbiased and objective way of analyzing all the possible betting selections concerning Vaddi's hints. I am now going offline to finish what I have started.

Thank you all for your replies and positive energy.

Good luck and remember, it is only just roulette, so roll with it.