Misc WizardOfVegas Forum is Dying

Right on time. Daddy wizard sends his mentally challenged Wizard of losers to hijack another thread. Or should I call you Robsingerwho? That's your name on Vegas Casino Talk. Have you ever met Rob Singer? Maybe you could give him some tips on winning $127K in 4 days like you do. Still looking for an excuse to back out of the weight loss challenge because you don't have the money?

 

Yea I can't afford the bet
Since you always claim i take photos and ask people to let me snap there hands I included my player card in this one-I'll be happy to let face see the unblocked name so it matches up- you stupid little fucking troll- keep dreaming that you could match me any day of the week

 

And the cashout out a couple mins later- keep dreaming faggot

https://imgur.com/gallery/r2yhu

 

Ha. Fuckin 'ell

I recently had a seminar wherein almost every attendant was a child. I'd say 14-17yrs. A trainer was talking about U8, U10, and U12 level games, when he stopped, sort of rolled his eyes, and asked if anyone knew why everything was categorized by the "U" system. There was a pause before he clarified the "why" as instead of the typical squirt / peewee / midget format everyone is familiar with. Little shit stood right up, swear he was but 12, and said "Because everything must be changed to adopt to the ridiculous new PC world". He was right. Some mom called USAHockey in Colorado, complained that she didn't like her son being called "pee-wee", and the U system was adopted that week nationwide. Watching that kid was like seeing a Ron Swanson being born. I felt pride FOR that little shit. Maybe there is still hope.

Anyway, it's a different situation, and, as you've pointed out a million times and I've agreed with every single time, each situation is looked at through a really weird filter. We try to discern intent, judge the level of offense, etc and so forth to where there is no uniform punishment, at least looking from the outside (and, obviously admitted, even sometimes from the in). When it came to MC, his "problem" was generally too much cussin'. His race filled stuff, his hyper attack mode, that wasn't the case for a great majority of his offenses. Some of his posts were totally chill but simply fell into bar talk; I and we dinged him just the same as V was. MC wasn't extended the offer of "help" until he had amassed months of suspension and was at the limit of perma ban, which I can't remember a single person objecting to. It wasn't just I or "we as mods" who made that judgement, the forum at large seemed in some way behind it.

On V specifically, had I seen it, I'd have done the same thing. Nothing to do with judging value or worth or any of that. V isn't nearly at the level where that needs to be considered. I'd have looked at it as a simple offense for which V is completely aware of, and I know V as someone who's gonna say what he feels, within the limits, and not "fuck you" but "who gives a shit" if you don't like it. I would've banned V with no suspicions that he'd become salty because of it, and would figure he'd just chill here unapologetic until his week was up and carry right on. To be honest, I am a bit taken aback, MrV, that you seemed surprised in your post that included the claim that we were "thin skinned". IMO, it seems completely obvious that word usage such as that would've brought action. I'm with you on the ridiculousness of it all, fuck me, we're celebrating a murdering rapist in a federal holiday tomorrow, but it's just known that some shit don't fly. That was an obvious one.

I promise, if V ever gets lost in the dabs and Martingales himself into 60-90 day land, I will extend the offer to preview and edit every one of his posts, should he want or need it.

 

My "niggativity" post did not clearly violate any rule.

The only peg to hang the suspension hat on is "disruptive to the forum."

It wasn't disruptive, unless the forum consists of a bunch of little old ladies crocheting and talking about their aches and pains.

 

Face, it's great that you extend the offer of previewing and editing posts to some people. The suspension list is full of those who were not afforded that special treatment. Just what is the criteria for entrance into that elite club? Is it length of membership? Number of posts? Quality of posts? How about attendance at WOV functions?

You have always been a decent guy but I don't know how you can work for those people. I've read your thoughts on it but things have changed. You are not working for Shackleford any more.

MrV did nothing wrong. Why the over moderation and why go straight to 7 days? A decision like this should not be left to one mod...especially that one. Disgusting.

 

everyone is lucky there was a suspension at WOV, WOV suspensions and roulette scammers are the only things keeping this site alive since normally there are only just a few new posts per day.

 

My post sprung from my having heard that members of BLM are demanding "reparations" for their ancestors having been enslaved.

Good grief!

Really?!

They want me to pay for things done by others a couple centuries ago?

Hello, statute of limitations.

Mulling that little gem over, I came across the thread I responded to, which involved tribal gaming.

It occurred to me that both blacks and Indians feel that they are "owed something" by "white society."

The Indians got the IGRA: a license to print money: not bad at all.

The braintrust (?) behind BLM might want to seek the same "compensation" the feds gave the tribes, i.e. the right to run a casino.

True, the blacks have no history of being "sovereign nations," but should that really matter, if the idea is to prey upon "white mans' guilt" while discussing the issue of atonement?

Why shouldn't these two classes of Americans, both of whom have gotten the shitty end of the stick, have the same "compensation package?"

 

It's clear the rules can be massaged to get rid of or ding just about anyone for anything, right? I mean, we DO all know this, correct? From "must not be insulting to another member" to "expected to act like ladies and gentlemen", there's room to judge anyone for anything, on any topic, any post.

Bias? OF COURSE! For sure if you say anything disparaging about the black man, you're gonna be in the shit. Seems pretty apparent in viewing the history. The same goes for a number of other "classes". Remember the hubbub when someone used the term "being gyped"? Or maybe it was "welshing on a bet". I recall a stir and discussion once upon when it was used, and some certainly claimed offense. I remember when Mission referenced a "Berg" or "Stein" as part of a throwaway, almost joke-y comment and Alan M came unhinged, crying anti semetism. And sexuality? Toss a dart at LGBT and see how long you last.

Dunno what to tell ya. That's just the way it is. Stick to disparaging the red man. No one gives a shit about us, so the only person you risk offending is me and I just can't be arsed to do much about it.

Criteria? I dunno... I guess supply a lot of posts that the forum at large would consider "decent" or "valuable" while also being an asshole with no self control. Be that person and I'd reckon one of us will be there for you.

Curious though as to your claim that the "list is full of those who weren't afforded". In looking, I see only 3 who come anywhere close to being both "valuable" and at the same time nuked. Buzz and 1BB are two, both of whom attacked the owners. Not much for any of us lessers to do about that. That only leaves Beethoven9th, and I promise, the chances, deliberations, and effort to stay hands by the mod squad were legendary with him. I personally have several PAGES worth of convo between myself, BBB, and Wiz, not to mention several more to B9 himself in an effort to spare him the axe. Seems like this odd sort of selling indulgences has been pretty uniform.

I'd disagree that V "did nothing wrong" FROM A WoV STANDPOINT. As just a dude, yeah, that's a pretty weak "insult" and is just more PC horse shit that I can't fucking stand. As a WoV'er, though, it's an obvious crossing of line that should've been apparent to anyone there for any length of time. Bias? /shrug. Yeah. What can you do?

Speaking of bias... Happy Murdering Pedophilic Rapist Day. May you all "discover" yourself something nice today.

 

For what it's worth, I generally enjoy your takes on such matters, or, if not "enjoy", then at least am interested, just as I was interested in your take on beggars and bums. And I would say I'm more on your side than not; the fuck do you or I or anyone have to do with shit that happened 5-6-7 fucking generations ago?

Where we may differ is that I don't think that 5-6-7 gens ago should be or is to be completely erased. I would not argue you that Native's tax free status is "owed because white devil stole my shit", but I would argue that because of past atrocities, TREATIES WERE SIGNED and THOSE goddamn well better be upheld. My stance is not "fuck paleface" but it most certainly is "fuck .gov and their double crossing, backstabbing horseshit". Remember, this ain't even shit that happened back when Lincoln was but an attorney, but shit that has happened to my direct family who I've been alive to know and witness. I KNEW my family who was bounced from their land so that it could be flooded under in yet another treaty break by that oh so wonderful poster child for awesome, JFK. THAT is fucking horseshit. I've been alive to see .gov henchmen flood the rez and shut down our commerce. I've been alive to see my town overrun by actions of the state against the red man. I don't hold YOU accountable, nor any other white folk. But I damn sure will rage against the machine, and, IMO, deservedly so.

I'd likewise take your side that reparations for black folk are completely LOL. Were there not native slaves as well? Did we not send loads of Chinese and Irish into hillsides and blow them up to create the infrastructure that led us to prosperity? I can't remember ever seeing a Chinaman or Irish complaining about being "held down" or demanding being owed anything. But, at the same time, I think they damn sure should be recognized as it's the blood of these "lessers" that built this fucking place. In other words, I'd prefer for folks to recognize reality. Europeans with their agriculture and accelerated science had a lot of potential, but potential ain't fuck all without work. Without "color", your white accomplishments wouldn't be half of what they became. And sure, red and black got run asunder here and there. But without whitey, we'd both likely still be chucking spears in an effort to sustain a subsistent existence. Maybe stop claiming who owes what and realize we're in it together and need each other. Perhaps the past already has the map to the future.

So, yeah. Argue that the past is meaningless and we'll disagree. But "owed by whitey"? I agree. Get the fuck out of here with that shit.

 

What about the argument that the feds should extend equivalent IGRA relief to blacks?

While they had no treaties violated, that was because their situation was different: whereas the white man stole the land from the Indians, the white man kidnapped blacks from their land/their continent and forcibly relocated them.

Two definite "evils" when judged by today's standards.

But should we be judging by today's standards, or realize "things have changed?"

 

Circumstantial. Native's were not given "reparations", nor is their current status a result of white man's benevolence. What's the old adage? "You don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate" or something to that effect.

Indian Country could not have repelled the invading Europeans, but they had enough to seriously fuck up burgeoning America. It was that threat that led to the treaties we have today. THREAT, not benevolence. Without said threat, I wouldn't be here today. I'd be in a museum next to Homo neanderthalensis. Because of our THREAT, we were allowed this "country within a country" deal we have today.

Black folk were slightly similar, though it was not their direct threat, but the threat of the white man on their behalf. That threat likewise threatened to tear apart fledgling America, and said threat was extinguished with the spoils of that particular war being their freedom.

We got what we could bargain for. Red, white, black. I'm sure each would have taken all if they could, I'm sure each believes they deserve more than they got. But each got what they could bargain for, nothing more, nothing less.

 

Well there is enough of some sort of "activity" on that board that would cause a decrease in member visits by 25-30 percent daily.

I would tend to think that the suspensions are not the direct cause of such a significant decrease.

However, a customer's reaction to the suspension may add to the number or the reaction to any form of punishment for that matter

There was a guy that was suspended for"allegedly welshing on a bet"....I dont remember him being disruptive. KewlJ was initially banned for dubious reasons, and he seemed valuable from what I read. Over 9 out of 10 posts of mine were on topics other than the suspension list....and that is easily verifiable ....and I was valuable in keeping conversations going,,,,and like V.....adding my professional expertise where appropriate when "on topic".
If you are saying the 3 people I added, didnt talk about womens body parts, or tell dumb blonde jokes, or show interest in prostitution, then we were not "one of the boys" and are guilty as charged. Were we the types who insulted or demeaned out wives?......I guess we didnt fit in.

there are probably many more that were nuked that added "spice and flavor"........

and if you are going to have a gambling board with sections on hot button political issues....then expect the conversation to be more of higher intensity than just discussing the solution to a math problem. Expect sarcasm, expect colorful language.....things that are not typical of a mathbased gambling conversation.

The sections on political/social issues are like boobie traps for people who want to have a lively debate. The rule being...go ahead and have a lively debate but do so in the same manner as you would discuss the solution to a math problem.

that is crooked pool.

they allow topics that by their nature encourage "spice and flavor" in discussion, but then dis-allow spice and flavor when it rears it head....when it peeks out from behind the oppressive curtain.

All these non gambling related topics allowed are simply traps to get people punished. They are filled with opportunity for mods to use their judgement in the "expected to act like ladies and gentlemen" rulings. That sure covers a wide range of behavior. Totally filled with "gotcha" opportunities.

When it comes to allowed political discussion.....(and I stress the word "allowed" since sections of the board are set aside for thse topics), my suggestion is that they be under the heading of "free speech zone". If mr V posted his comment there....ir would have stood without punishment.
Well ...in heated political debate....sometimes you need that leeway as adults do often in times when in heated discussion. And the rest of the board (gambling topics) can have the mathboy rules of monotone discussion.

And Face its not just the nukes that turn people away...its the punishments in general. So you may be able to find only 3 people who you are sorry are gone as far as nukes.....but that doesnt mean others havent voluntarily gone because of viewing the nukes and assorted punishments/suspensions.

 

There comes a time where people have to take responsibility for their actions over the generations and admit to their contribution.

There are men and women(like my parents) who came to this contry dirt poor...with nothing. Everything their families had accumulated in wealth, taken from them by the Nazis. So they start off in this country with zero, and work hard in jobs that werent glamorous in back rooms like bakers, and tailors, because they couldnt speak english(no jobs that involved interraction with people). They married, sacrificed, saved money little by little, made sure their children were educated.....and the next generation was better off. I was "the next generation..and because of the sacrifice of my non english speaking father and my mom......I have wealth to pass on to my children....who dont really need me to die in order to live well. I dont need a handout and neither do my kids. Was there discrimination toward my parents? Fuck yeah, my dad looked like an immigrant, spoke like an immigrant, and was treated by society as an immigrant. My dad had the weight of having his entire family slaughtered. And yet he and people like him made it through to the point where no handouts were ever needed via the govt . This turn around occurred over a period of a few decades..into the very next generation.

So the question is....can the black man be expected to do the same thing with the added advantage of having the opportunity to learn the english language in free public schools so that they have an advantage in the job market over immigrants?? Or does the black community put less emphasis and value in education......and less emphasis on sacrificing for your children, and less emphasis on responsible parenting. less emphasis on 2 parent households.

Bill cosby was critisized when he said that before the black community put their hand out looking for help from the govt...they have to handle thei rown dirty laundry first.

from 2004
For the second time in six weeks, Cosby attracted wide media attention with public criticism of black youngsters. Cosby was cheered on Thursday when he told a group of black activists in Chicago that young African Americans are the "dirty laundry" that many would prefer he not criticize despite their poor grammar, foul language and rude manners.


"Let me tell you something," Cosby, one of America's most admired men, told the group. "Your dirty laundry gets out of school at 2:30 every day, it's cursing and calling each other [the N-word] as they're walking up and down the street. They think they're hip. They can't read. They can't write. They're laughing and giggling, and they're going nowhere."


and in disagreeing with Al Sharptons response to his remarks.....the reference below is about sharptons critique of cosby.
Cosby, 66, seemed to disagree in his remarks on Thursday, saying that blacks cannot simply blame whites for problems such as high rates of teen pregnancy and school dropout. "For me there is a time . . . when we have to turn the mirror around," he said. "Because for me it's almost analgesic to talk about what the white man is doing against us. And it keeps a person frozen in their seat. It keeps you frozen in your hole you're sitting in."

so why would the america people need to pay "reparations" tothe above people?


My parents never went out "clubbing" didnt waste money on alcohol, no nice vacations, on shiney gadgets, . They devoted their lives to their children. And it payed off in generations going forward.

So why dont I need reparations from Germany . Why dont my children need reparations from Germany?

All it took was one generation to turn things around....just with simple hard work, sacrifice, and emphasis on education. Looking visually different than white society, and not speaking english like white society....but still coming out on the other side,.

 

I really wish he'd have kept the Free Speech Zone. I'm pretty sure that died as the result of a vocal minority and I've been bitter about it since. Was my favorite sub forum =p

I thought StrictlyAP (the welsher) would've been brought up, but I omitted it because I am nearly clueless about it. I had been on a ten day sail and nothing was going on when I left. When I finally reached port and got coverage, I popped in to see that episode had erupted, been acted on, and was already over. Like, he'd already been nuked and there were only random comments about that left over when I arrived/returned.

I didn't and don't have a problem with that action. Admittedly, I had no opinion of SAP. We simply hadn't crossed paths and I couldn't tell you one thing about the man. And, also admittedly, I am a HUGE Ayecarumba fan. The man has never said a cross word or taken an inflammatory position, ever. Always positive, always pleasant, always a joy. But that aside, the real kicker was SAP's stance. Firstly, he violated a gambling commandment of honoring a bet. Doesn't matter if the other person is a pile of shit, unless the other person cheated, you honor your fucking bet. But nail in the coffin was the complete refusal of any amelioration. Any and every possible opportunity was offered him, tons of time given, but he continued to outright refuse. He'd neither give proof of his claims that Aye, who had been completely perfect as a member before, up to, and since then, had wronged him, and denied every single options for arbitration, even when given the option to choose the arbitrator from any mod or even any active member. I know this is some backdoor, black market shit for which you have no protection, and maybe you cast the blame on the victim because of it. Ye olde "you should have known" defense. But still, I'd like to know, and I'd like for members to know, that at least someone has your back. That despite the fact you have no protection, people will still TRY to protect. That's what happened, and I am cool with it.

KewlJ and you, you both got into with the owner. Might have been deserved, on one occasion it was expressly asked for (your opinion post on Wiz). But owner. Nothing I can help with on that front =/

Crooked pool? Maybe. There are many who participate in these "gotcha" threads, and many, a VAST majority, do not find trouble. I personally have fired some real rippers in these threads and have gotten very hype with a few members regarding the topics, yet I and they avoided suspension. I all but called PaiGowDan a disgusting coward in one thread where I lost my cool, and member 777 had paragraphs of disparaging things to say about me, yet we managed without action. Though, you are right, some get tripped up. And, you are right, some of these stumbles are for seemingly less than I myself have posted. It happens.

That's just the way it is, and at least some folks appear to enjoy it. There's been effort to drive it more black and white, keep it all gambling, keep away from the hot button issues. It dies every time. It may be a gambling community but it's still people, and people have different interests, so topics stray from the purpose of the forum. And we sure as shit can't throw open the barn doors, because no one really wants another GG / GF, and those that do can just go there/here.

Free market, man. Maybe his rules are killing the forum, maybe his rules are the only thing keeping it alive. Time will tell.

 

you are kidding.
some people enjoy unequal punishmen?
some people enjoy some folks getting punished for what appears to be....being on the wrong side of an issue? Yeah the people on the OTHER side of the issue.,,,possibly.
Even when I was on the other side of the issue, I wouldnt want my opponent silenced. I enjoyed the exchange.
So I would guess that the people who "enjoy" this uneven punishment are in a small minority.

 

I meant the forum as a whole, not specifically the uneveness, but certainly including it.

Be back later. I'm going fishing.

 

Why have the other board, DT, if the same shit can be discussed at WoV?

My suggestion: limit all discussion at WoV solely to gambling, casino, and Las Vegas topics.

Period.

All the other shit, the politics, the religion: get rid of it.

 

"Take it to DT" was manboy's mantra exactly 4 years ago when he was trying to get the site off the ground. You don't hear that anymore since, with only 249 members, the thing is a complete flop.

It boasts 164 active members but a more accurate number would be a couple of dozen...the exact number that has visited today.

 

Wow! Those are some tiny girl hands you have there. Tiny hands for a tiny man. That explains a few things.

I was going to point out your constant hijacking but then I realized your posts are relevant to this thread. You see you're one of the reasons WOV is dying and people see it every time you post. They see that you represent WOV when you post here. They see the sick, twisted, perverted things you say about peoples' mothers ,fathers and family members and they realize that they are sanctioned by your wizard.

You've even taken the name Wizard for yourself in honor of your hero...who by the way is on the verge of banning you. In the photo you provided of someone's chips you show the name Wizardsofodds1. If that's not identity theft it's very close... not to mention dishonest and deceptive. So you post under Wizardofnothing, Wizardofodds1 and Robsingerwho. How many more are there?

Yes, your pathological lying and your pathetic posts are a big reason why WOV is dying. Keep up the good work, Tiny Hands.