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I'm not the one who has 3000 + posts talking about the city of DETROIT, you refer to that city so often, you use the word HERE, instead of MOTORCITY or GREEKTOWN and everyone who reads on a semi regular basis, knows what city your referring to...In all my 40 years living in DETROIT, I've never met someone as obsessed, about the city as you.. HYPOCRITE!!

 

Wait what? When have Axel or I insinuated we wanted a "flame war"?

Say a million bad things about WOV & co, no problem. Say a thing or two to KJ and we're flaming. Mickey, I don't want to upset you, but you sound like a liberal.



Okay, that was too far. But seriously, isn't there a double standard or whatever?

 

Okay, I apologize to Axel and RS for getting all bitched up. I just thought the gay jokes pointed towards KJ were a little over the top. I don't mind anyone defending Shack. I just have a different opinion on the matter. Maybe it's the way I've lived my life. I don't allow anyone to run over me. If some idiot bitchslaps me in a bar I bitchslap him back twice as hard. When somebody fucks with me I fuck right back at them. I suppose that's why I'm on KJ's side on this issue. I don't like getting fucked over so I can empathize with him.

 

They're a strange bunch those WoVers. I wish I had a red chip for every time AxelWolf mentioned gays on WOV and here. I'd be rich! Talk about being consumed. I'm starting to wonder if he's in the closet...struggling to come out. He has a girlfriend so I wouldn't think so.

So why all the gay references and all the "hookers and blow" references? They're everywhere. I wonder if his girlfriend reads his posts. Not judging...just wondering.

Another one is our friend onenickelmiracle. The last time he didn't like a post I made, he retorted with a comment about masturbation.

It seems Mr Miracle has graduated from searching public restrooms for "poop the size of a coke can" and is now posting links to a video of a monkey having sex with a deer. Only on WOV.

The only comment he got was "who the hell uses Yahoo anymore?" A strange bunch indeed. Just what Zuga and Chan are looking for. All under the manboy's watch.

Maybe Mission/Brandon James/Steven King can write a 3000 word article about the monkey and the deer.

 

A good metaphor for gambling? Especially, at the WoV forum.

 

I'm not a closeted or open gay, but if I was, I would be proud and joke about it.


From as far back as I can remember there has always been a strong ball busting/razzing among friends, coworkers, schoolmates and family using gay jokes(much worst than whats been said here), it's almost a comradery type thing.
It's always been funny to me.

 

Yes, Rs can be a dick.
Edit - dickhead!

 

It's all good as far as I'm concerned. It's probably best just to let it go for everyone sake and let things get back to "normal" around here. The last thing this site needs is for everyone to get upset and stop posting.

 

Whats up with this feud you two got going? How did all that start?

 

Can you give me some examples and reasons to support this?

We can dislike the fact that he can and does analyze new games for the players, ones that may be AP vulnerable. Is that enough to say he can't be trusted in the AP community?

Now if he was analyzing games with the intentions of protecting the casinos or seeking them out trying to foil AP then I would have no problem thinking he can't be trusted.

 

RS for arse. On some sites, it's RS_ for arsehole. (He hangs out with Axle for Axhole.)

 

Axel has apologized both publicly and privately for “upsetting me”. Privately he told me how bad he felt because “he likes me and respects me” and thinks “I am a good guy”.

I reject your apology Axelwolf. Please....don't insult me with your "I feel so bad" bullshit. The fact is you, RS, Mission came here to attack and discredit me on Wizards behalf. That is not to say that Mike asked any of you to.....maybe he did or maybe you took it upon yourselves. But the three of you came here to attack me on Mike’s behalf, just as I predicted you would. Your rationale is that I have attacked your hero, therefore I am open game.

I have only attacked Mike’s handling of this situation and his dishonesty throughout the situation.

I am going to take you back to March 14, 2016. Michael Shackleford banned me from WoV, giving a reason of something I said on another site, when WoV own rules state things said on another site aren’t considered. This post banning me even started out “while normally we don’t consider things said on other sites….(went on to say he was banning me for something said on another site).”

He will also tell you I violated a truce…..a truce forced upon me, by his own admission to protect his “friend” Norm (Qfit). His own words to me said “I concede that working out the truce and then enforcing it was done with favoritism towards Norm. Norm wrote me several times demanding that I take action”. So, anybody with half a brain knows, or should know the purpose of that truce was so that when I violated it, as I likely would, there would be a reason to ban me, in this effort to protect Qfit. Basically a manufactured reason to ban me on behalf of his "friend".

The banning was bullshit. I know it. Mike knows it. You guys know it. All three of you WoV/Mike worshippers made posts and statements back then stating how wrong it was. Even all the other folks, my harshest critics, that now criticize me, like a LarryS posted back then that this was BS and wrong. Yet somehow, because I continue to ‘appeal’ this unfair treatment and point out Mike’s very poor handling of this situation (by his own admission), I have become the bad guy and now deserve the treatment that I got. That is a very strange rationale.

So yeah, I have criticized Mike for a year now on this site. A few personal attacks, but mostly just appealing to his sense of fairness, which he expressed to me that he knew he was wrong. I just had a real problem with him not being man enough to say publicly the things he said to me privately….so I tried to appeal to his sense of fairness, and even shame him.

So you 3, Axelwolf, RS and Mission (and others) have flip flopped on your position from last March, positions you publicly stated, and you feel justified in doing so, AND attacking me because I had unfavorable things to say about your friend and hero Mike Shackleford. I continually pointed out how unfair he was at the time and how dishonest he has been since.

BUT the fact is nothing I have said after March 14, on other sites should even matter. It is irrelevant to the facts of what occurred at WoV on March 14, 2016.

On March 14, Mike posted that “I (KJ) was a very valuable member here” (wov). In a private communication dated the same day, March 14, 2016, Mike wrote “I will be sorry to see you go. If I had the choice between you and Norm as members, I would pick you any day”.

Ok, so again, I ask, why was I banned? And don’t give as an answer about anything I said here since that date, criticizing Mike’s handling and fairness. It is March 14, 2016 and I am asking the same question I have been asking for over a year now….Why?

So obviously I am not going to get an answer, as I deserve. So I am done trying. This whole ordeal was about Norm Wattenberger (qfit), attempting to silence and discredit me because I had a negative opinion of some members of his BJ site that were complete frauds and misleading other members with their bullshit, mathematically impossible claims. Norm is a bully intent on shutting down anyone who has a negative opinion of him, his site or his site members. Mike inexplicably took sides when there was no reason to, and allowed Norm to extend his censorship of me to WoV, a site Wattenberger didn’t even participate on at the time and had publicly expressed that he had no interest in participating at.

Norm completely succeeded in first silencing me and now discrediting me. Sure I have contributed to some of that by fighting and even getting nasty at times, but the bottom line is Norm has achieved exactly what he set out to do. He silenced me and now has indirectly gotten even people that supported me, to turn on me and attack me. He has made me irrelevant as a member of the AP community.

While I appreciate that this site provided me the opportunity to continue to air my displeasure with the unfair way I was treated by Michael Shackleford, a man I still believe is better than what he has shown throughout this mess, there really is no sense in my continuing. I don’t get to help newer players, offer my advice or share my experiences. All I do is defend myself from personal attacks by Mike Shackleford supporters and worshipper, who seek to discredit and belittle me. That is NOT why I joined this community and it really isn’t who I am.

I am an professional AP. Actually I consider myself a professional blackjack player, but because I participate in some supplemental, non-BJ, AP, stuff, I will use the broader term of AP. I have won just over a million dollars in my 14 year career, topping the million milestone late last year and then again earlier this year after falling back for a few months. I am on my way to my second million in hopefully far less time. Participating or not participating on forums in the AP community isn’t going to change who I am or what I am achieving. It just takes away something that I (used to) enjoy. And for the most ridiculous reason, that I called out fraudulent and misleading claims that were damaging to newer players.

This site was a cesspool when I joined. It had little to do with gambling and/or the related AP community. It was just an attack zone. I applaud the administrator’s effort to clean it up and turn the focus more towards gambling/AP, and I really hope the site continues in that direction and becomes what the administrators envision. But I can’t and won’t be a part of it. I am just tired of being attacked and defending myself and that is all that occurs here.

So I exit the site and community. The bully (qfit) has won. And Mike Shackleford, I just don’t know what to say about you. You just aren’t the person or man, I thought you were. I continue to be shocked that you are unwilling to step up and say the things publicly that you have said privately to me. Instead, you get angry at me because I revealed the contradictions that you have stated privately to me, highlighting your dishonesty in this matter. I guess it is easier to vilify me than to deal with your own shortcomings and fix the mess that you unfairly created.

I can think of no better way to sign off than a great big "thank you" to my friend Mickey Crimm for your continuing support. I haven't met Mickey, nor do we have that much in common in most areas of life, including our AP careers. I am a blackjack guy and Mickey is a machine guy that unfortunately, I don't understand most of what he says or does. And although Mickey was also banned at WoV, for completely different and well known reasons, he holds no ill feeling towards Mike for doing so. So we are not bonded by some mutual feeling of having been wronged. Mickey like so many others initially, just recognized that I was treated unfairly and he unlike some others understood what this was really about. The difference is Mickey didn't flip flop because of some loyalty or friendship. He stayed objective and true to his feeling that I was treated unfairly, and I don't think it was even out of friendship to me, just on principal. He knew wrong when he saw it. Thank you again, Mickey.

Yesterday I received 4 emails from Qfit, all filled with hate, as his communications usually are. In one he was basically gloating that he had turned everyone against me. He told me that the only person in the community that supported me was "that violent drunk racist, Mickey Crimm". Yep, Mickey isn't perfect. He has his faults just like the rest of us. His are just a little more out in the open. And like a man, he acknowledges his short-comings and deals with them. So to Norm, probably the nastiest, lowest, smallest human being I have ever encountered, I say, Mickey Crimm is far more valuable than all of the fraud AP's on your voodoo site put together. Any site that Mickey participates on is better for the experience and a smart site related to AP, would bend over backwards to make accommodations for his occasional "issues" He is that worthwhile.

So let the attacks continue to rain down….oh the crybaby….the drama queen, blah, blah, blah.

 

No, we didn't. I've been saying it for years. Are you really arguing with me about who the first of the two of us is to refer to me as an underachiever? It's really not all that impressive of an observation, so if you need to hang your hat on discovering it first, I guess I'll give it to you.

 

Could you be any more full of shit?

The first time I came here was after YOU basically painted me into joining this Forum, as you may recall. I contacted you privately. Furthermore, I have done absolutely nothing to attack or discredit you, I said that you posted untruths about Wizard, specifically attacking what you said about him not being a, 'Friend to gamblers,' rather than you personally.

Back in January, I came here because I was being doxxed which was brought to my attention by someone else, as I had literally not visited this Forum at all in several months.

Anyway, what have I said in an effort to discredit you personally? I'd really like to know.

Not to speak for anyone else, but my recent defense of Wizard had to do with your statements that did not relate to your banning at WoV. I never once said that you deserved to be banned in the first place, but I do say that I wouldn't have you back after your recent statements.

 

This all seems to be based on money between qshit and mike. mike owes qshit money maybe, mike is making money directly from qshit or qshit owes mike money whereas mike doesn't want to lose the money. You were collateral damage. Also, qshit sees any criticisms of his site and work as loss of income threats. I think if you look at more of the reality that this is about qshit losing money and 'professional' <-- I say that lightly...respect and not 100% a you thing you may get closure.

It's clear this isn't just about being banned at a forum site. There's way more to the story than what is being printed.
You're not innocent by any means. Your half isn't really being told by you. And it probably isn't anyones business.
If you have such nasty emails, post them. I don't think you need to worry about any privacy issues.

The real question is who can we believe on a forum board.

 

Underachiever, I don't know about all that, but aren't we all? Anyways, if you do consider yourself an underachiever, there's plenty of time for you considering your age and skills. Would it be safe to say you have been doing much better over the last year or so and things are looking up in most areas of your life?

 

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I am really not going to continue on here. I know many of you will believe that when you see it. lol But I did want to comment on your post Nate, because I appreciate your sometimes fair and objective thoughts.

I am not familiar with any money connection between Mike and Qfit. If you know of anything like that I would like to hear of it. It certainly would explain a lot.

As to your second comment that "there is more to the story than being printed". I received an email this morning from a longtime player, that I network with from time to time. He is not a member of this site, at least by a handle that I recognize, but apparently he reads the site, because he read this 'closing post' of mine.

He told me the real answer to this whole situation is hinted at in a message that Mike wrote to me, on March 14, the same day that Mike banned me. The private message from Mike read: “I will be sorry to see you go. If I had the choice between you and Norm as members, I would pick you any day”. I have long found that very peculiar because it seemed that is the choice he had, or felt he had (I never asked him to choose), and given that choice he did exactly the opposite.

While I always found that perplexing, I never saw that as the hint that my friend does.....that Mike was trying to say if he had a choice he would do such and such, but that he DIDN'T have a choice. My friend thinks this is Mike's way of saying that Norm was holding something over him, some power that prevented Mike from having this choice.

 

Stopped in the other day to stop e-mails. Made some personal comments in that post about this thread which I hoped most of you would read and absorb. Post got transferred to correct forum and I'm certain no one read. So, here is a copy of some of that post relating to the people posting in this thread.

For the record forums like "Vegas Casino Talk" tops the pathetic bunch of degenerates posting here. Unfortunately, I think in a short time this place will over take the stupidity going on over there.

From other post,

For the record, I glanced quickly through the last few pages of this thread, and can’t believe the same group of fucking MORONS are posting the same fucking nonsense.

I still have faith in humanity, that eventually you fucking morons will eventually realize how much of a fucking moron you actually were, and snap out of your fucking moron stage of life and move on.

 

I think Blackhole's post deserves its own thread and title. Maybe

1) Deep Thoughts with Blackhole.
2) If You Can't Win, Teach.
3) Holehearted Wisdom.
4) Partyin' With Mr. Hole.
5) A Hole Lotta Love.

Please vote for your favorite.

You need cooling.
Blackhole's not fooling.
He's gonna send ya
Back to schooling.